User talk:Kitkat1749

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This is my talk page, so feel free to drop me a line here if you want to talk. You can also contact me via my email (which I check frequently) or in IRC, where I usually idle around. If you have a question, leave it here and I'll reply as soon as possible. Happy Editing!
July 2011 - April 2012

Regarding Tiber War[edit]

The name comes from Varieties of Faith in the Empire. -- kertaw48 11:17, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I can't actually find anything explicitly stating that the name "Tiber Wars" is used over "The Unification of Tamriel" in that book, but it doesn't actually matter - I was just curious as to the source of the title, and they both sound nice enough :) Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 11:31, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
I know you said it doesn't matter, but oh well:
HoonDing (The Make Way God): Yokudan spirit of 'perseverance over infidels'. The HoonDing has historically materialized whenever the Redguards need to 'make way' for their people. In Tamrielic history this has only happened three times -- twice in the first era during the Ra Gada invasion and once during the Tiber War. In this last incarnation, the HoonDing was said to have been either a sword or a crown, or both.
Also, oops on the bad grammar. -- kertaw48 11:36, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Doh! That explains it - I just skimmed the book and looked under "Talos" instead! Kitkat TalkContribE-mail,

According to the game Derkeethus is marked as essential.[edit]

--If you use the console command isessential on him. His value will appear 1 which makes him an essential character. I played the game using two characters. and he is essential in both of them. not sure if it is a bug. And sorry if I put this in the wrong section in your page.( 16:52, 6 May 2012 (UTC))

Well, I got my source from here, and the information on pages is taken from the in-game files. As it says in the bugs section, his seeming to be essential may be due to a bug. On a side note, have you ever considered making an account? Your edits are top-notch! :) Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 17:05, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


Sorry, Kitkat! I should just know to skip welcomes when you're on! eshetalk 14:12, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Nah, t'was totally my fault - that's what happens when I try to read and edit at the same time! I'm just suprised the second welcome wasn't edit conflicted in the first place. Think I'll stick to warnings from now on, though :) Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 15:28, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Smithing bug[edit]

Hi Kitkat

"Smithing improvement is based on the level of the item being improved and any bonuses granted by items. You may see more benefit from equipping bonus items specific to the item being improved than bonus items specific to smithing. For a bow, the Ring of Major Archery (+25%) will get you more improvement than the Ring of Minor Smithing (+12%). A bit of mix and match will get you the best combination."

I know it sounds weird but I spent about an hour trying different combinations to verify this, I think I should have specified PS3 though. Please try it yourself, if it works please revert my edit. If not, just tell me where to find crow in Whiterun

Dadeo 12:32, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, as I said here, I wasn't able to reproduce it. Therefore, I moved it to the talk page, so that it could be verified by anyone else who encountered the same bug as you. It's possible the issue has been patched, or that it was a once off glitch. Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 12:42, 24 May 2012 (UTC)


...Yep, you know why :P --kiz talkemail 10:24, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Guess whos back? Didn't take as long as I thought it would! --kiz talkemail 11:07, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
And the IRC... brb somehow stretched to 40 minutes D: --kiz talkemail 13:08, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


Check them.... and again! --kiz talkemail 08:35, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Alrighty! :) Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 08:39, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


You have been given a plateful of cookies!

You should have received this plate of treats months ago - sorry about the delay! Thank you for your hard work with all the unpatrolled edits and for the wiki in general – and, specifically, for being so helpful when it comes to friendly feedback and correcting my miserable grammar. Keep up your incredible work – may it long last! ☺ --Krusty 06:58, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Hehe, thanks very, very much! :D Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 07:19, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism warning[edit]

Not sure if you saw this [[1]], but an anon posted a reply to your vandalism warning from a different IP. I'm not very well versed on this whole thing, but it may be confusion on his/her part. Do you know how this can happen, and can you explain it to me? I wanted to respond to it, since nobody else was, but don't want to say something ignorant :) --Xyzzy 08:45, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing that to my attention :) As per this page, anons seeing warnings which aren't meant for them is a serious problem at the moment, and it's ongoing, but "purging" seems to fix the issue. I think there's a few tutorials on how to "purge" something on the page I linked to, but the easiest thing to do is to enable the "Page" drop down in your preferences, which comes with a built-in purge tab. It's listed under "Gadgets", as I recall. Sorry if that sounded like total gibberish - it's early, and it made sense in my head! I've also (hopefully) dealt with the indignant IP user. Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 09:57, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


When I wrote do not edit I think i put it wrong.what I ment is that I had to go and all I wanted was to say was that it was unfinished so please dont delete im sorry that I put it the wrong way - Lazer126 — Unsigned comment by Lazer126 (talkcontribs) at 08:37 on 8 June 2012

No, no, no, don't be sorry at all - I can totally understand why you did that. That's why I posted this redlink to your "sanbox" on your talk page. Click that link, and you can type in whatever it is you're working on, then save it, leave, and come back again, without the fear that somebody else will mess with your work. You can even copy/paste the Fort Irony page into the sanbox, and edit it like that. Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 08:50, 8 June 2012 (UTC)


Hey. I noticed that you removed one of my contribs. Two things:

  1. Good job patrolling, I just joined today and thought I knew the ropes, but I looked back at my post and it wasn't really up to par.
  2. Could you give me pointers as to how I could be a better contributor in the future?

No rush, and I don't absolutely need you to, I'll learn soon enough. --Grim765 11:09, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Hiya :) Welcome to UESPWiki! This page has some great links and editing tips, such as this and this, which give a basic intro into contributing. If you have any specific questions, feel free to contact me or one of the other mentors. Happy editing! Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 11:57, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Bloodlet Throne[edit]

You reverted this edit of mine to the Bloodlet Throne dungeon page.

  • An easy way to defeat the Master Vampire group if you are an archer or a mage is to shoot the Master Vampire through the spear wall. He will aggro but be unable to get to you through the wall, and will be an easy kill, as they have no ranged attacks besides Vampiric Drain.

You said it was not necessary. I think that it is worthwhile to have that in there. The final encounter with the Master Vampire is somewhat difficult. There are three bandit corpses that the Vampires will reanimate, plus about 5-6 wolves and the two vampires themselves. There are also many other pages that list tricks like that for defeating parts of certain dungeons. --Anil 13:55, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

can you be my arena mentor[edit]

I haven't played arena daggerfall or morrowind but I'm here to talk to you about arena and daggerfall I liked the wiki on them but I didn't tell me what I needed to hear and I'm thinking about getting an expensive laptop for those games and if I do my entire life will be messed up cause I'm a 10 year old rpg gamer who is a member of a poor but happy family and if I get that then I might not be able to get I don't know a surprise tes game that comes out on a random day and I cant get it so just reply to this if you'll answer the question that no one could answer oh and plus I'm a new editor could you give me some editing tips — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 00:38 on 24 June 2012

As for the kind of computer you need, Arena and Daggerfall should work on any basic computer made since 2000, and possibly earlier. Morrowind will probably run well on any computer since 2005. None of them have high graphics. Arena and Daggerfall are available for free download from Bethesda's website, too.
You can check out this page for advice on how to edit and what you can contribute, but Kitkat should be able to answer any specific questions you've got. Vely►Talk►Email 23:48, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Well, for anyone starting off with TES games, I would always recommend Arena or Daggerfall. Morrowind is a good game, but I'm sad to say I never got the hang of it myself. In regards to buying a laptop over another game, Arena and Daggerfall are free to download, and it's possible that Morrowind may be soon, so it would be well worth your time. In my humble opinion - the classics are much better than Skyrim could ever wish to be.
As for editing, this page has a bunch of useful links to help you get started, but if you have any specific questions, feel free to ask :) Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 08:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm looking on their site but can't find the link to download Arena or Daggerfall. Also, will it work on Mac?
P.S. I'm not the guy up top.--Grim765 00:24, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Seems I was wrong; I assumed it was. Anyway, the full game's not pirated, as it was officially released, so don't worry about it. Arena, Daggerfall. If you want to find those pages again, click the Arena or Daggerfall links on the left of any UESP page. Vely►Talk►Email 00:35, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
I downloaded Arena, Daggerfall, and all of the official patches from this French (?) site, using the already installed DOSBox that comes with the games, which should make it all compatible with a newer computer or a Mac. You need to click the ArenaSetup.exe and DaggerfallSetup.exe files, and the rest is pretty easy. Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 08:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Downloaded DOSBox and the ArenaSetup.exe, but it will only show up in Text Edit. How can I actually install the game? DosBox opens fine, but Arena and Daggerfall are text edit only.--Grim765 08:49, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

() I downloaded it on WindowsXP, and it went straight to the desktop as a shortcut. Have all of these three setup menus' appeared? Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 08:59, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

No, the link just downloaded the textedit windows. I guess my real question is how to get it to run on DosBox. I'm looking into this now, but my French is rusty.--Grim765 09:03, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Alright I got it into DosBox but it needs Win34 to run. Can I change that or just forget about it? I'm a PS gamer, and have never downloaded games on a PC. I'm on a Mac currently, but its a MacBookPro, so it is up to date and everything.--Grim765 09:12, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
I don't think it actually needs Win34 to run - I never got that message, but if the game runs you can probably ignore it. Any worries about that, you could probably ask Ancestral Ghost - I'd say he knows more than I do ;) Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 09:19, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Eh it's not worth it. but here is what it says:
Input: C:/>dagger~1
This program must be run under Win32.--Grim765 09:40, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

() Ok, downloading DOS files for Mac is rather tricky, but it's possible, so listen up:

  1. First, you're going to want to find, unstuff and extract the Arena106.exe file that was downloaded onto your Mac. You can do this using the free Stuffit Expander for Mac. This sounds more confusing than it is.
  2. Better advice can be found here and here.

If extracting the .exe file doesn't work, please get back to me. Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 10:17, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Downloaded Stuffit, but where can I find arena106.exe? I downloaded arenasetup.exe. If I drag that into the stuffit it isn't compatible.--Grim765 18:40, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
That should work, since Stuffit enables extraction of RAR files, but at this stage I'd just recommend deleting Arena, and following these guidlines. They look much easier. Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 18:50, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Can I download Wine without purchasing it?--Grim765 19:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Yep, the software on WineHQ is all free. You can direct download the latest version here. Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 19:30, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
I know this is a couple months old, but did you ever get Arena working Grim765? I play Arena on a MacBook Pro as well, so if you're still having trouble I can walk you through the set up :) 09:03, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


What exactly did you find confusing?--Tashy 18:09, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

You took a direct quote from a book and inserted it onto the page, followed by a link to the book. Out of context, the quote makes little sense to those not familiar with the subject matter. As I said, the information seems correct, so you'd be better off adding a reference to the book as your source, instead of direct-quoting it. Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 18:26, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


I just saw that I got this warning: "Please do not add nonsense to UESPWiki, as it is considered to be vandalism." I can't even remember of ever having edited a page of this Wiki - could you tell me what exactly I added & what I did wrong?

Edit: Ah, I just found out. There was this one sentence about Arcadia and that she might get replaced, wasn't it? Well, then I'm sorry if I caused any trouble - I had just read that in an Elderscrolls forum, together with a list of many other merchants and how they get replaced after being killed. Since most of the list was correct (in my game some merchants were killed by dragons & during the siege of Whiterun/Solitude), I assumed that it was in Arcadia's case as well. If it's wrong, I'm sorry - again, I didn't mean to cause any trouble. Won't happen again. :) — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 21:28 on 17 July 2012

This has been the only edit to this wiki from your current IP address, so you probably haven't edited here before now. Chances are, it was an incorrect New Messages banner which led you to another IPs talk page who did have a warning, if you can remember the page you were on before this happened - that would be great, if not - it doesn't matter. Its just how the wiki caches for anonymous users, to save on the server costs. Long story short: you've not done anything wrong at all, no trouble on your part! --kiz talkemail 21:30, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Ahhh oke :D Then maybe I just WANTED to add that damn sentence and forgot about that, lol... (I'm kinda stressed atm - exam weeks, I'm studying law.) I was at the High Gate Ruin's page, when I got that warning. ^^ — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 21:34 on 17 July 2012
A user with a very similar IP address made this edit which Kitkat reverted, though I don't think such an edit would warrant a warning like what you saw. No warnings or messages were on your current IP's talk page or that IP's talk page, but it's possible there's some shared-IP issues, or, like Kiz said, you may have seen an incorrect banner for a different IP for some reason. One way to make sure this doesn't happen in the future is to register an account and view the wiki while logged in. It's free, easy, and wouldn't have any disadvantages at all-- only advantages. :) Either way, hopefully this doesn't happen to you again! ABCface 21:42, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit on talk page of Keening[edit]

That was me, before I finally made an account. I wanted to remove that post, because I felt like my statement would best be made in a new section, and after I did that I realized the previous post was now redundant. I don't want to seem pushy about the topic, but I strongly feel that all weapons and armor were meant to temper correctly. It's an infuriating irony that some of the best weapons in the game are nothing compared to what you can create if you master enchanting, smithing, and the corresponding skill for that weapon or armor piece. The Nightingale Blade, for example. My character wouldn't be caught dead carrying around such a weak sword when he has a Legendary Daedric Sword with only somewhat-weaker dual enchantments to use. That sword should be one of the best weapons in the game at its highest leveling, but it pales in comparison to weapons you can make without even using Fortify Restoration. Sorry for going on like that, but is there a place where it would be best to post something like this? I want to get my point across on this problem, but the few posts I've made on item talk pages have failed to get even a response from someone. Most items with this problem are indeed noted as bugged, but there are at least two that are not and both seem to contain mere speculation to support the lack of a bug note.--Playerseekingbugs (talk) 13:14, 3 September 2012 (EDT)

Happy Birthday![edit]

User-userbox-Cake.jpg Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear Kitkat. Happy birthday to you! :) Snowmane(talkemail) 06:06, 12 September 2012 (GMT)

Happy happy birthday! — ABCface 06:08, 12 September 2012 (GMT)
Happy birthday Kitkat, hope you have a great one! - Helenaannevalentine(talk) 06:10, 12 September 2012 (GMT)
It's Kitkat! A happy birthday to you! --Krusty (talk) 06:44, 12 September 2012 (GMT)
Thanks, guys! :D Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 07:12, 12 September 2012 (GMT)
Happy birthday Kitkat! --Holomay (talk) 08:16, 12 September 2012 (GMT)
Better to be over the hill than under it! Happy Birthday you old hag! ~ Dwarfmp (talk) 08:18, 12 September 2012 (GMT)
You have been sent to Oblivion!

You have been given an all expenses paid trip to Oblivion as a reward for all of your hard work, enjoy your stay! Remember to send us a post card from the Deadlands!

Happpy birthday Kitkat! But this trip better not affect your editing...--Skyrimplayer (talk) 12:25, 12 September 2012 (GMT)
That's awesome! Do they have UESP in Oblivion? ;) And Dwarf, I know I'm a dinosaur now - I feel old! Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 12:37, 12 September 2012 (GMT)
I bet I can get one of my friends to get you an internet connection in Oblivion. Just look for the Dremora that's not actively trying to kill you.--Skyrimplayer (talk) 12:55, 12 September 2012 (GMT)
Happy birthday! If you're a dinosaur, though, I'm a Draugr. Vely►t►e 14:34, 12 September 2012 (GMT)
If you need a drinking buddy in Oblivion, there is a Nord friend of mine... Somewhere... He got lost during the Oblivion Crisis. Been looking for him since. If you find him, tell him I said "hey" :p Snowmane(talkemail) 17:07, 12 September 2012 (GMT)
...HB :) Golden SilenceBreak the Silence 17:45, 12 September 2012 (GMT)
Happy birthday, Kitkat! Robin Hoodtalk 18:01, 12 September 2012 (GMT)
Happy birthday, Kitkat! :D • JAT 18:42, 12 September 2012 (GMT)
A belated happy birthday! —Legoless (talk) 19:58, 14 September 2012 (GMT)

The Frostspire Quest[edit]

how come the girl is not in the shop i have the game of the year edition which has all the exspantions the door isnt looked at all. any help ould be appreciated.(i hope i spelled that right.) — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 01:24 on 17 October 2012

Aurlinwae? She tends to wander the Imperial City. Have you checked the Arboretum, the Green Emperor Way, and the Merchant's inn? Those are areas she commonly visits.--Skyrimplayer (talk) 01:27, 17 October 2012 (GMT)

arena and daggerfall please help me[edit]

ok i cant seem to find a download that works on windows 8 for these two games please help. — Unsigned comment by The Tamriel Terror (talkcontribs) at 03:47 on 11 January 2013‎

Hello! I haven't got Windows 8 myself, but have you tried this site? That's where I downloaded Arena and Daggerfall, and they work perfectly with Windows 7. Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 22:05, 11 January 2013 (GMT)
ok so i downloaded daggerfall two problems i cant attack anything and i cant look down p.s i play on a laptop The Tamriel Terror (talk) 02:38, 16 January 2013 (GMT)
Ah, yes, Daggerfall's controls are notoriously tricky - I spent hours button mashing, trying to defeat that first rat. This page should help you out. Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 10:35, 16 January 2013 (GMT)
is there a place that i can get morrowind for free  The Tamriel Terror (talk) 03:32, 20 January 2013 (GMT)
No. ES(talkemail) 03:36, 20 January 2013 (GMT)

forum signup[edit]

I was wonder as to how to create an account in the forums, it just keeps saying that my username is invalaid, or that my email address in invalaid. also, why do we need a seperate account between the wiki and the forums. (Lordofmagicvoldemort (talk) 06:29, 15 January 2013 (GMT))

Hello! Creating a forum account can be tricky enough, but trust me, it's worth it! If you're having trouble registering, try following these steps:

  • Clear your browser cache.
  • Try using a shorter name.
  • Check your emails to see if you've been sent a verification email. If you have, it's probably in the spam folder.
  • If possible, use an alternate email address when registering - if it works, this should pinpoint where the problem lies.
  • If none of those work, you can contact Avron the S'wit, the forum moderator, on her talk page for further information.

Finally, the subject of one account for both sites has been discussed and debated, but it doesn't appear to be feasable at this time, due to software incompatabilities. Maybe someday, though :) Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 11:54, 15 January 2013 (GMT)

Thanks(Lordofmagicvoldemort (talk) 00:36, 4 February 2013 (GMT))


Ahtar (Undo revision 1076301 by Sergio Morozov (talk) Not really noteworthy, IMO - console commands can be used on every NPC)

Indeed, console commands can be used on every NPC, but people would want quick and easy instruction to fix this specific one, because he is so susceptible to being denied his quest and recruitment, no? So, maybe you will reconsider your undo? =] Sergio Morozov (talk) 19:52, 19 January 2013 (GMT)

Mentor Program[edit]

Hi Kitkat! I just wanted to say we've missed you for the last few months, and hope you return soon. However, since you've been inactive for three months, I'm gonna have to remove you from the mentor list. Please come back soon so I can undo the edit ASAP :D. Hope you're doing well! Take care :) eshetalk 17:20, 6 June 2013 (GMT)


She disappears for almost three years to the day, then she appears out of nowhere as suddenly as she left! :O -damon  talkcontribs 18:29, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Hey, Kitkat! If you're back, welcome back! And if you just popped in for a visit, it's nice to see you again! But I hope you're actually back. :) Robin Hood  (talk) 19:40, 28 January 2017 (UTC)