Skyrim talk:Easter Eggs/Archive 16

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The Art of War

Could the skill book "The Art of War Magic" be referencing the ancient Chinese battle tactics book "The Art of War"? Especially since "The Art of War" is still used today to train or "raise the skill of" people. — Unsigned comment by 67.81.221.147 (talk) at 17:11 on 2 August 2013

It is already mentioned on the Morrowind Easter Egg page, since it appeared there first. -- SarthesArai ^Talk 17:13, 2 August 2013 (GMT)

I think we should also mention it in this list, with a note *originally appeared in Morrowind* — Unsigned comment by 67.173.175.254 (talk) at 09:10 on 11 February 2014

Notched Pickaxe

Moved from Article (Skyrim:Easter_Eggs#Minecraft):

*Correction* There was a "Notched Pickaxe" in the Elder Scroll game "Oblivion" and that game pre-dated Minecraft. This may have made a re-appearance as a reference, but was not created originally to be such. (comment by 50.133.206.253 at 20:11, 2 August 2013)

I couldn't find any in CSlist, please explain where it is found... -- SarthesArai ^Talk 20:17, 2 August 2013 (GMT)

A quick google search shows that there was quite a bit of debate when this was first reported, with many people strangely claiming that there had been notched pickaxes in both Oblivion and Morrowind. Despite these claims, there is no evidence that either of these things exist. This video purports to show the notched pickaxe, but it is obviously fake (the video is 25 minutes longs, rambles widely, and the guy finds the pickaxe on top of Frostcrag Spire). As far as I can tell, there was no notched pickaxe before skyrim --AN|L (talk) 21:37, 2 August 2013 (GMT)

And here I thought we were past the point of people adding unapproved nonsense to the Skyrim Eggs page...if this keeps happening, I'm going to bring a request for permanent semiprotection to the admin noticeboard. ThuumofReason (talk) 22:33, 2 August 2013 (GMT)

IMO, that would be an over-reaction. Nonsense was added, then it was removed to the talk page for verification. The system works. --Xyzzy ^Talk 03:42, 3 August 2013 (GMT)

At this point, you're probably right. But if it does get to the point where people are adding nonsense frequently without bringing it to the talk page first, I'm going to make a request for renewed protection, and I know AKB (or whoever protected it last time) said that permanent protection would be the next step. ThuumofReason (talk) 13:47, 3 August 2013 (GMT)

Complaining With Your Dying Breath

So I initiate a death animation with a Forsworn and his dying words were "Death is highly overrated!" in a shrilled voice. I've been playing this game for awhile and I never heard this line uttered. 142.196.85.31 17:41, 11 August 2013 (GMT)

Not an Easter Egg. That line is common the all NPCs with the MaleCoward voice type. --AN|L (talk) 17:53, 11 August 2013 (GMT)

Among other voice types. It doesn't seem to be referencing anything in particular, just a rather common opinion expressed many times in popular culture. --Xyzzy ^Talk 18:20, 11 August 2013 (GMT)

Not even in popular culture, that's just a common thing. People don't like dying in real life either. ThuumofReason (talk) 14:55, 12 August 2013 (GMT)

Stange skeleton impaled??

There's a skeleton on top of the mountain east of thalmor embassy and below the broken oar groto beside solitude that's been impaled about 6 times by various weapons and is beside a book called Rear guard and a sattual and a staff of fireball laying beside a tree any clues to as why this is here? — Unsigned comment by 98.16.102.237 (talk) at 01:04 on 21 August 2013 (GMT)

You've found an undocumented unmarked place. I'll go ahead and add it to that article. Good find! --Xyzzy ^Talk 02:48, 21 August 2013 (GMT)

Dr. Strange

At Silent Moons Camp, in the round corridor next to the Lunar Forge, there is a symbol on the floor that resembles the symbol in the window of the Sanctum Sanctorum, home of Dr. Strange. Google 'dr strange symbol' for examples. InfinityCartier (talk) 11:51, 24 August 2013 (GMT)

Lol. That's the sunlight (or moonlight) shining through the barred window in the roof and making that pattern on the floor. If you watch it for a minute, it will move a little as the sun or moon travels across the sky. --Xyzzy ^Talk 15:02, 24 August 2013 (GMT)

Yeah, I don't think so. ThuumofReason (talk) 00:22, 25 August 2013 (GMT)

Matilda

In the Honorhall Orphanage, the room behind where Constance and Grelod are standing in the scene before you kill Grelod seems to be a sort of cell - there are shackles on the wall and nothing else in the room. It seems to me to be a reference to the Chokey from Matilda. Vicano (talk) 15:20, 24 August 2013 (GMT)

Not similar enough, in my opinion. It's a generic torture room. In Matilda (both the book and the movie) there was more spikes involved, and it was very dark and tiny. This room is bigger, doesn't have spikes as the main torture method inside, and not as dark. Grelod's a jerk and she's mean to kids, Trumbull (or whatever her name was) is a jerk and is mean to kids. Too generalized. — ABCface^◥ 18:11, 24 August 2013 (GMT)

I guess, and it's Trunchbull, BTW. Vicano (talk) 18:12, 24 August 2013 (GMT)

Coincidental. ThuumofReason (talk) 00:23, 25 August 2013 (GMT)

The Winking Skeever Easter Egg

The Winking Skeever is a reference to a restaurant/bar chain known as "The Winking Lizard"
which has as it's main feature, you guessed it, alcoholic beverages.
I about cracked up when I saw this for the first time.

Regards,

sonic.penguin @ lordyuanshu.com/forums 173.89.160.80 03:34, 25 August 2013 (GMT)

Is there any similarity past the name? I don't see any similar backstory on their website about getting the name, nor is the logo similar at all. It's also not a very popular chain, especially considering all of its locations are in Ohio. I'd have to say no, it's not a reference. Vely^►t►e 06:05, 25 August 2013 (GMT)

Agreed. The game offers its own explanation for the inn's name, so I don't see why it would be a reference to this bar of yours, particularly one that is, as Vely said, not very well-known. ThuumofReason (talk) 11:56, 25 August 2013 (GMT)

Pieces of the past - Star Trek, easter egg?

I was reading "The Keepers of the Razor" yesterday, and noticed this (in bold text):

Current Descendants of the Inner Circle ........... Ghunzul, leader of the Cracked Tusk Bandits, and 8th to bear the blade shards of Mehrunes' Razor. Son of Shelakh, son of Mog, son of Grul, son of Durgob, son of Uzgakh, son of Ramolg, son of Othmash. ...........

I immediately thought of "Worf, son of Mogh". I have no immediate desire to contribute to the page myself, but if this is a valid easter egg, I hope someone will want to add it. --Cats (talk) 12:33, 25 August 2013 (GMT)

Is there any other similarity than that they are both "son of Mog[h]"? If nothing else is obvious, it probably isn't a reference. Vely^►t►e 15:34, 25 August 2013 (GMT)

Well, Klingons are somewhat similar to orcs, but then again the idea of honorable, warlike people is not exactly restructed to just kingons. As Mog is an orc name in the ES universe (abeit a female one) and there is another well known Mog in another game, it isn't a reference--AN|L (talk) 18:29, 25 August 2013 (GMT)

Agreed, this is just a coincidence. ThuumofReason (talk) 21:17, 25 August 2013 (GMT)

Even though Mog is a name used by a female orc in Tamriel, it seems like it is a name used by both genders, as "Mog, son of Grul" seems to me to be a man. Even so, no reason for calling it an easter egg. —MortenOSlash (talk) 04:43, 26 August 2013 (GMT)

The Shining easter egg?

In the quest "Laid to Rest" in Morthal, you will encounter a ghostly female child named Helgi who was murdered. After playing a game of hide and seek with her and talking to her coffin, she reveals that Laelette wanted to play with her "forever and ever". This bears remarkable similarities to the scene in the horror film "The Shining" where Danny, the child protagonist, encounters two dead young girls who want to play with him "forever and ever" as well. Furthermore, they invite Danny to play a game with them, just as Helgi invited you to play a game with her. — Unsigned comment by 84.13.115.1 (talk) at 21:35 on 27 August 2013‎

Ehh...I don't know. Are there any more similarities? ThuumofReason (talk) 11:19, 28 August 2013 (GMT)

Yeah. What do children do, whether living or dead? They play. As far as the line of dialogue, it is similar, but not exactly identical. The dialogue from "The Shining" is "Come play with us, Danny...forever...and ever...and ever", while Helgi's dialogue is "She wanted to play with me forever and ever". The "forever and ever" bit is stereotypical child phrasing, like this line. I'm leaning towards opposing this as an egg without more similarities. --Xyzzy ^Talk 14:10, 28 August 2013 (GMT)

Reviving Archive 1's "Knights of the Nine Reference"

I know this doesn't really involve the "Knights of the Nine" aspect of it, but this may be a historical reference, referring to the arrival of the Europeans to America. There are 2 gold veins where the flag is, while gold was what the Conquistadors wanted and seeked. The book in question details talks about the Nine Divines, while Puritans came seeking religious freedom in their interpretation of the Bible. The flag would have been a marker of what country claimed that territory, or a sign that a group had discovered it. I would have put this on the easter egg page, but i wanted it approved by others first. — Unsigned comment by 108.243.87.4 (talk) at 22:37 on 27 August 2013‎

I think linking these things to European's arrival in the Americas is quite a stretch. You're blending together two aspects of European's interest in the Americas that occurred separately. It may be a reference to something, but I don't think this is it. --Xyzzy ^Talk 02:11, 28 August 2013 (GMT)

This isn't just a stretch, this is grasping at nonexistent straws. There's nothing in common between the two. ThuumofReason (talk) 11:20, 28 August 2013 (GMT)

Gem Face-Brittleshin Pass

I feel like this is a reference to the Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Players Handbook cover. The gems are the same colour, and at a similar height to what is depicted on the book. --121.99.60.113 11:15, 7 September 2013 (GMT)

The proposed reference is a carved face with garnets for eyes that appears in the first room upon entering south brittleshin pass. I was unable to find a picture of the face, which I've never seen ingame, but here's a picture of the player's handbook cover the IP references. --AN|L (talk) 15:03, 7 September 2013 (GMT)

I went and looked at the face, which I had not noticed before. It's true that the colors are similar and they are both located high off the ground, but neither of these qualify this as a reference. In fact, when I went there, there was only one gem, a flawless garnet, and it was actually placed just below the face's right eye like a teardrop. Don't know if this is typical, but I don't see enough to support this as an egg. --Xyzzy ^Talk 16:31, 7 September 2013 (GMT)

This seems like a coincidence to me. ThuumofReason (talk) 00:32, 8 September 2013 (GMT)

The thieves guild quest to remove the eyes of the Falmer statue is a reference to the cover. They even use a scripted animation for Mercer when you enter the room to match the positioning of the character that resembles him on the D&D cover. I doubt they'd have two references to the same exact thing in one game.— Unsigned comment by 70.191.114.13 (talk) at 10:08 on 22 December 2013

Lurkers inspired in H.P. Lovecraft's stories

Discussion moved to Skyrim talk:Easter Eggs/Dragonborn Archive 3#Lurkers inspired in H.P. Lovecraft's stories

The Windhelm Letters

Does anyone else think the events of the Windhelm Letters is an allusion to the French Revolution? Both have in common a starving, seldom acknowledged populace, and a government comprised of an indifferent elite more interested in their own debauchery and indulgence than anything else, and a similar ruler (although Louis XVI actually had good intentions). 217.33.217.122 08:08, 12 September 2013 (GMT)

That's actually a common theme. Revolutions usually happen for reasons like that, so I don't think it would be right to call it a reference to one revolution alone. I personally don't think it's referring to anything. ThuumofReason (talk) 11:11, 12 September 2013 (GMT)

Agreed. Unless there's something more specific, not a reference. --AN|L (talk) 07:14, 12 September 2013 (EDT)

Wizard of Oz reference

It seems to me the color of part of the road in Irkngthand (Yellow) might be an Oz reference, the Yellow Brick Road.— Unsigned comment by 195.241.207.43 (talk) at 21:33 on 24 September 2013

That's just a coincidence, a lot of the architecture in dwarven ruins is yellowish-orange. ThuumofReason (talk) 21:53, 24 September 2013 (GMT)

Agreed. Coincidence. --Xyzzy ^Talk 22:19, 24 September 2013 (GMT)

Two "The Princess Bride" references?

I don't know if this has been suggested before, and I apologise if it was.
Firstly, skeevers bear an uncanny resemblance to R.O.U.S-es.
Secondly, Brynjolf says when going into battle: "So it's to the pain then!" Could this be a reference to when Humperdinck says "To the death", and Westley says "No! To the pain!"?
Eldubya (talk) 11:44, 28 September 2013 (GMT)

I don't think skeevers bear much resemblance to ROUSs, other than they are both big ugly rodents, but "To the pain" seems likely to be a nod to the movie, as it's used in a similar context. A quick google search doesn't show anything other than the movie quote and other results which are newer and also likely references to the movie. This was brought up at least once before, in January 2012, but nobody responded to it. I support it. --Xyzzy ^Talk 15:42, 28 September 2013 (GMT)

In Oblivion, you can enter a test cell and find Prince Humperdink, Count Rugen and Inigo Montoya. Clearly, the devs are fans, which solidifies the likelihood of "To the pain!" being a reference. Kitkat^{Talk•Contrib•Email} 16:41, 28 September 2013 (GMT)

Very interesting about the test cell, Kitkat! I'm glad that finally I found something useful!

Eldubya (talk) 20:52, 28 September 2013 (GMT)

The skeever part is a stretch, too general with not enough to back it up, IMO, but I agree about the quote. Probable reference. — ABCface^◥ 23:54, 28 September 2013 (GMT)

No to the skeevers. The other one, sure, why not. ThuumofReason (talk) 00:47, 29 September 2013 (GMT)

Looking at pictures of R.O.U.Ss, I agree with the lack of similarity. My memory of them is flawed!

Eldubya (talk) 11:30, 29 September 2013 (GMT)

wizard of oz reference

i don't know if this has been found yet but i beleive the main character "dorothy" from the wizard of oz can be found in riverwood her name is spelled differently but it still sounds the same if you say it out load. — Unsigned comment by 12.217.228.45 (talk) at 14:36 on 9 October 2013

I don't know how you came to the conclusion that someone who has a different name is a reference to someone, and they don't even share any similarities. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 14:44, 9 October 2013 (GMT)

I assume you mean Dorthe. Yeah, no similarities whatsoever, other than they are both pre-adult females. --Xyzzy ^Talk 15:13, 9 October 2013 (GMT)

Dorthe is an ordinary Nordic name, most common in Denmark. --Morrolan (talk) 15:16, 9 October 2013 (GMT)

No. ThuumofReason (talk) 21:02, 9 October 2013 (GMT)

Revenge of the sith.

When you ask Serana I dont see other way, turn me into a vampire. she responds, you would become the very thing you swore to destroy. this is likely a reference to starwars when Obi-wan says to Anakin you've become the very thing you swore to destroy! I'm pretty sure this is a reference because why would she say that if you've never done such a thing? — Unsigned comment by 98.90.211.108 (talk) at 20:57 on 10 October 2013‎

Actually, if you join the Dawnguard, you ARE sworn to destroy the vampires, making this dialogue relevant to the situation. Not enough to make this an egg, IMO. --Xyzzy ^Talk 21:42, 10 October 2013 (GMT)

Agreed. This is just a coincidence. ThuumofReason (talk) 22:08, 10 October 2013 (GMT)

Serana's exact lines are: "Are you sure? I'm willing to turn you, but you need to think it through. You'd become the very thing you've sworn to destroy. I don't know how the Dawnguard will react." Obi-Wan's exact lines are: "Your anger and your lust for power have already done that. You have allowed this Dark Lord to twist your mind, until now... until now you have become the very thing you swore to destroy." It's not even a coincidence, because it's not a quote. --Morrolan (talk) 05:09, 11 October 2013 (GMT)

Niccolò Machiavelli

The book "The Art of War Magic" I believe is a reference to Niccolò Machiavelli's book "The Art of War" (published in 1521), about war science, psychology and goes on to explain how one could win by using methods described in the book. The book "The Art of War Magic" is remarkably similar, both in name and content; as it also touches on war philosophy and psychology. Having read both, I can conclude that the books are incredibly alike and it is probably not a coincidence, as even the names are almost the same. Personally I think this should be included in the article, because as previously stated the books are too similar for it be a coincidence. It also is similar to the Chinese treatise "The Art of War", but being familiar with this as well it has more in common with Machiavelli's work as both books talk about the psychology of the soldier, as well as philosophy and various other similarities. — Unsigned comment by Farenthor (talk • contribs) at 19:36 on 20 October 2013 (GMT)

We considered it to be an Easter Egg in Morrowind. It's already a noted Easter Egg, so no need to repeat that here. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 19:36, 20 October 2013 (GMT)

If you really think that the Machiavelli title is the likelier reference, you could bring it up on the Morrowind Easter Egg talk page. Be sure to list some specific examples of why it's better, though, because there may not be many users of the site that are familiar enough with it to judge. --Xyzzy ^Talk 20:45, 20 October 2013 (GMT)

The Hunger Games

There is a slight hunger games refrence in the mission Boethiahs calling. After you slay the person on the pillar you have a free for all. that could be a refrence to a hunger games and the voice talks about previous victors. Its slightly different but the voice which i think is boethiah relates to the voice you here to tell the tributes about a feast. also it looks like an arena of a sort. — Unsigned comment by Streakyb (talk • contribs) at 08:46 on 4 November 2013

Too much of a stretch. I disagree with this proposal. In fact, having read the entire trilogy I cannot recall a time similar to that. --Nocte|Chat|Look 09:51, 4 November 2013 (GMT)

I don't think that's what BethSoft was going for when they designed the quest. I would also have to oppose this. ThuumofReason (talk) 13:15, 4 November 2013 (GMT)

Harry potter

There is a refrence to a patronus with the conjour familiar. It is conjoured like a patronus and looks like a patronus. — Unsigned comment by Streakyb (talk • contribs) at 16:15 on 4 November 2013

A patronus can technically look like any animal based on who casts it, and the casting method is in no way similar. Not a reference. --AN|L (talk) 16:49, 4 November 2013 (GMT)

Their similar appearance is coincidental, IMO. --Xyzzy ^Talk 16:53, 4 November 2013 (GMT)

Absolutely not a reference. ThuumofReason (talk) 18:05, 4 November 2013 (GMT)

The untouchables

Mercer Frey says again and again the Sean Connery line after I kill draugr — Unsigned comment by 67.71.138.170 (talk) at 22:44 on 4 November 2013 (GMT)

Looking at Skyrim:Mercer Frey, I don't see whatever you are referring to. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 22:44, 4 November 2013 (GMT)

Lord of The Rings reference?

I was running through the Alftand glacial ruins, something i had done many times. And heard the Khajiit J'darr again. Upon hearing the dialogue however i found that this strongly reminded me of a part of Lord of The Rings. Where Smeagol and his brother Deagol fight over the ring and Smeagol kills his brother.

I believe this to be a reference. As there are several similarities.

1. They are brothers.

2. They fight over something with the power to cause strong obsessive behaviour. He seems to be delusional and out of himself.

3. He kills his brother over it.

4. They choose a race with a non-human voice. Which might remind one of how Smeagol/Gollum

5. To my knowledge there is no other LOTR reference in Skyrim. Given the amount of references in the game it would almost be weird for there not to be one for such an influential fantasy book.— Unsigned comment by 84.210.35.243 (talk) at 01:28 on 10 November 2013

Deagol was actually Smeagol's friend, not his brother, and J'Darr's brother was not "fighting" him over skooma; he was trying to wean him off of it. Delusional and aggressive behavior are both common withdrawal symptoms for certain drugs. There's really nothing to suggest that this was an intentional reference on Bethesda's part, so I'm inclined to oppose it. ThuumofReason (talk) 01:48, 10 November 2013 (GMT)

I don't think it is either. It seems more like an issue with extreme addiction, as it's portrayed, rather than a LOTR reference. Vely^►t►e 02:52, 10 November 2013 (GMT)

Interesting hypothesis, but I have to agree, it's probably not a reference. It's still an interesting comparison, though. • JA^T 01:10, 11 November 2013 (GMT)

Slaughterfish of Doom??

So I was taking a cold bath in the lake between the Sunken Tower and Ilinalta's Deep. What ought to be a nice swim suddenly shifted like the wind. I spotted something swimming towards me, thought it simply was a typical slaughterfish; bah no match for a dovahkin. But when I was about to hit it I hesitated when I saw the real size of enemy approach. The slaughterfish was ten times the normal size of a regular slaughterfish. As in, '#Oh, that's definitely not a brisk slaughterfish imo.'

Anyway I aimed the Slaughtzilla when its name was shown, "slaughterfish of doom"... It can, at least for my experience, be found between the Sunken tower and Ilinalta's Deep just due north of Falkreath. I'm definitely not on mods or drugs to have such thing added to the game purposely. Nor do I know if it is fairly common to see, as for both my gametime is plenty in the Skyrim universe and also google search haven't resulted in anything near the sight of a slaughterfish of doom. But it may be common, as I rarely swim.

Note: Unfortunately when I killed it, after dozens of health potions consumed(Legendary), it got smacked twenty feets away from me and dissapeared possibly into a rock, the void or something else, so unfortunate for me I got no convincing pics. Still I think it is an easter egg, anyone disagree? please tell me. (P.s, I apologize grammatical mistakes if any) — Unsigned comment by Zesus (talk • contribs) at 14:28 on 11 November 2013

Are you seriously claiming it was called "slaughterfish of doom" in-game? Even though I'm highly skeptical of your claim, I went ahead and did a search on CSList for all records containing the word slaughterfish, and I don't see one that looks like a giant version of the fish. --Xyzzy ^Talk 14:45, 11 November 2013 (GMT)

Even if such a thing DID exist, it wouldn't meet our criteria for inclusion on this page. ThuumofReason (talk) 15:51, 11 November 2013 (GMT)

The most interesting load I've ever heard lol. This gave me a good laugh with my morning tea, but no, I doubt it is a real thing. I have a roleplay character on an unmodded game who practically lives on that lake, and my Argonian has never encountered a Slaughterfish of Doom. Come to think of it, I am not sure I've seen any slaughterfish in that region of the lake, though it could just be coincidence that I not encounter any fish of any kind. Anyway, rambling aide, it's unlikely that said slaughterfish exists, and like Thuum said, the slaughterfish in and of itself would not be appropriate for inclusion without some sort of proof, which as you state, isn't something you can do since it's gone. — Unsigned comment by Damon (talk • contribs) at 18:24 on 11 November 2013

Did you install the mod Better Fast Travel? I can't find any large slaughterfish in that lake in the CK. Vely^►t►e 21:23, 11 November 2013 (GMT)

Or this mod --AN|L (talk) 21:32, 11 November 2013 (GMT)

It is real. I have seen video evidence and if you google it now Click the link that appears first. — Unsigned comment by 74.64.68.25 (talk) at 21:41 on 15 November 2013

(←) No-one is doubting it is real, just the source of it, which is the mod that Anil found and linke. Anyone who plays with mods needs to double-check the odd things found in their game before claiming it as from the original game, and even going further to suggest it was added deliberately by the makers as a reference to something. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 21:53, 15 November 2013 (GMT)

Just to clarify, the Slaughterfish of Doom is definitely an addition of the Better Fast Travel mod. See this discussion ("The only one of those I have is Better Fast Travel. Guess we've found our culprit.") and the Workshop page ("Also, you might not want to go fishing down by the Sunken Tower.") -- Hargrimm^(T) 21:55, 15 November 2013 (GMT)

Garth Marenghi

I am looking for other similarities now, but the resemblance between Garan Marethi's name and Garth Marenghi of Garth Marenghi's Darkplace seems too great to be a coincidence.Lofgren (talk) 15:05, 26 November 2013 (GMT)

Maybe, but without further evidence, I'd have to say no. If you happen to find anything else, please let us know here and we'll see! •WoahBro^►talk 15:08, 26 November 2013 (GMT)

Highly unlikely. A similar name means nothing by itself, and if you have to consciously look for additional connections, the chances of there being something we can mention on the page are already pretty slim. Do let us know if you come up with anything, though. ThuumofReason (talk) 21:52, 26 November 2013 (GMT)

Yeah, and with the outrageous characteristics and quotations that Garth Marenghi is supposed to have, you'd think they would have added some of them into Marethi's dialogue if they meant it to be a reference. His quotes are pretty much just generic vampire quotes. --AN|L (talk) 17:36, 27 November 2013 (GMT)

Agreed. We have typically required more of a connection that just a name. --Xyzzy ^Talk 15:52, 28 November 2013 (GMT)

(←) I don't actually know the show that well, but nothing jumped out at me when I played the questline recently. I think it's improbable that it's just a coincidence but I agree there ought to be more than a similar name to add it to the page. With so many characters to name, I'm sure they were pulling inspiration from wherever they could. Lofgren (talk) 04:40, 9 December 2013 (GMT)

Souls in the Soul Cairn quote lyrics

Very minor Easter egg, but like the Vigo line from Ghostbusters 2, two souls quote lyrics from the band Novembers Doom. See this edit for details: http://www.uesp.net/w/index.php?title=Skyrim%3ASoul&diff=1221493&oldid=1206152 --Jimeee (talk) 14:27, 28 November 2013 (GMT)

I'm not familiar with the band in question, but if both of those lines are quoted from certain songs verbatim, I would have no problems including it. That's only if they are indeed exact quotes, however. ThuumofReason (talk) 15:04, 28 November 2013 (GMT)

Confirmed. I checked a lyric website and found lyric videos on Youtube for both songs (Dark World Burden and The Pale Haunt Departure) that show that the in-game dialogue matches the song lyrics word-for-word. I support this as an egg. --Xyzzy ^Talk 15:49, 28 November 2013 (GMT)

Both of the lines are unique enough to be specific references and not just be a broad cultural parallel. I support this as well. --AN|L (talk) 21:12, 29 November 2013 (GMT)

No way that's a coincidence. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 21:40, 29 November 2013 (GMT)

oblivion reference

In oblivion there was a glitch (rather something to do with the coding) that enemies had a weak spot in their knee, can't remember which knee though. In skyrim however town guards often say "I used to be an adventurer like you, then I took an arrow in the knee" — Unsigned comment by 5.65.72.198 (talk) at 12:58 on 5 January 2014

If it was a reference to Oblivion, it would belong to the Historical References page. But I doubt that there is any locational damage in oblivion (neither is in skyrim), the only weak spot I know of is the Dwarven Robot's achilles heel. And lastly, as far as I know, it was said that the arrow-in-the-knee-line was just added to give the guards a bit of background. -- SarthesArai ^Talk 13:04, 5 January 2014 (GMT)

I vaguely remember something similar to this being brought up before, and it was universally rejected. ThuumofReason (talk) 13:35, 5 January 2014 (GMT)

I've heard rumors of oblivion enemies having certain vulnerable spots for a long time, but there is np proof that knees, or anywhere else, deal more damage. Not an easter egg. --AN|L (talk) 10:24, 5 January 2014 (EST)

The weak spot is in the knee, I have logged over 10,000 hours in gameplay on the vanilla version of the game, and although tricky to hit, the knees are their weak spot. The easiest enemy in the game to defeat exploiting this is mehrunes dagon at the end of the main questline in oblivion as he is a stationary target. I make him stumble everytime making getting Martin into the temple of the one easy as pie. . . . . Mmmm pie — Unsigned comment by 5.65.72.198 (talk) at 20:22 on 5 January 2014

Although there are still things being found new about Oblivion, enemy weak spots are not among them. It has been over 7 years since release and if there was a weak spot it would be thoroughly documented as combat is the most well researched part of the game. The only difference is that different parts of the armor give different defense values, e.g. the headpiece has a lesser value than the chestpiece (this also led to a false report of heads being a weak spot in Skyrim which was thoroughly debunked). Greaves have a lesser value than the chestpiece but are stronger than boots or gauntlets, but very often enemies have no greaves, thus have much less defence in that area. The "arrow to the knee" is not a reference to anything in previous Elder Scrolls games, it is a reference to Skyrim used outside the games in memes and other games. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 20:52, 5 January 2014 (GMT)

Labyrinth reference (moved from Skyrim:Fort Sungard)

With 5 separate zones, Ft. Sungard is a veritable labyrinth. It contains an Oubliette which has an exit that leaves you some distance from the fort. This seems to be a likely reference to the movie Labyrinth and Hoggle saving Sarah from the oubliette saying, 'It just so happens I know a way out of the whole labyrinth.' — Unsigned comment by Sniffles (talk • contribs) at 12:11 on 8 January 2014

That's just a coincidence. Oubliettes are common features of dungeons, and all the dungeons in Skyrim have exits. There's nothing to suggest that this was an intentional reference on Bethesda's part. ThuumofReason (talk) 13:22, 8 January 2014 (GMT)

Agreed. Total coincidence. --Xyzzy ^Talk 15:14, 8 January 2014 (GMT)

Once more star wars

Lucien Lachance says the following line during "the Cure for Madness": "I will kill this jester if you so desire, but there is a disturbance in the Void..." "Disturbance in the Void" is a reference to a common statement among Star Wars characters who keep on saying: "I sense a distrubance in the Force" each time they have a bad feelings about something.

Just a coincidentally similar statement, I'd say. Weroj (talk) 16:00, 13 January 2014 (GMT)

Not even. Vaguely similar wording by itself is not enough to constitute a reference. This is just a coincidence. ThuumofReason (talk) 16:05, 13 January 2014 (GMT)

Oghma Infinium text and a Vegvísir

It looks like the runic wheel on the second page of the Oghma Infinium is based on the Vegvísir, an Icelandic magical sigil. Given the many Nordic influences already in Skyrim, it's not surprising. The only tweak is the Oghma Infinium wheel rune has been turned 90 degrees CCW. Thoughts? --Jimeee (talk) 17:15, 22 January 2014 (GMT)

The symbol is clearly taken from Vegvisir, but I'm not sure it was anything but a cool symbol to use. I don't really seen any connection to what Vegvisir was used for and the purpose and history of the Oghma Infinium. Where are the other symbols from this image from? Perhaps that could shed some light on it. Jeancey (talk) 17:47, 22 January 2014 (GMT)

TOW says the Vegvisir was to protect against bad weather, which doesn't really have anything to do with the Oghma Infinium. Like Jeancey said, that's clearly where they got the inspiration for the Infinium's design in Skyrim, but in the past we've deliberately tried to avoid including the various Norse influences on the page, so I would have misgivings about including this one. ThuumofReason (talk) 21:08, 22 January 2014 (GMT)

Agreed, but it might be worth noting on the Oghma Infinium page. • JA^T 21:10, 22 January 2014 (GMT)

If we're agreed that it is the same image then it probably deserves an entry here. This isn't so much an influence as a direct port, a visual egg in the same sense of pac-man. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 21:24, 22 January 2014 (GMT)

The reason I called it an "influence" is because the design, while clearly taken straight from the Vegvisir, isn't identical. The placement of several branches is off and certain elements are placed in different spots. If it were exactly the same, I'd be more inclined to approve of its inclusion, but as it is, the minor changes make it hard for me to think of how we would phrase it on the page. "The Infinium's design is very similar to that of the Vegvisir." That doesn't sound good on a page devoted to certainty over similarity. ThuumofReason (talk) 21:32, 22 January 2014 (GMT)

It is, however, certain that the main emblem in the second page of the book is based on the Vegvísir. • JA^T 23:12, 22 January 2014 (GMT)

(←) I'm not arguing that, just that I feel uncomfortable including it for the reasons I already listed. It's a tough call, and I suppose I could be persuaded to give my approval for its inclusion, but I just feel...uneasy about it. ThuumofReason (talk) 23:23, 22 January 2014 (GMT)

The appearance of the two is similar enough that it should be noted somewhere, and the Easter Egg page is the best place for such information. It really wouldn't make as much sense to me to put the note on the Oghma Infinium page since they are only related visually and otherwise are more or less unrelated. Aside from this, I pretty much agree with Silencer's reasoning with this being similar to the Pac-Man easter egg. Forfeit (talk) 05:00, 23 January 2014 (GMT)

Fallout 3 reference?

Forgive me if I'm just reading into it, but I think Dawnguard references another Bethesda game, Fallout 3. The quest 'Blood Ties' in Fallout 3 involves a reclusive cannibalistic cult that an NPC, Vance, is trying to slowly train and repurpose into acting like vampires, by only drinking blood instead of eating other people. In Dawnguard, when you first speak to Harkon and he alludes to what he and his kind really are, you have the choice to claim that they are a 'reclusive cannibal cult'. This kinda seems like an easter egg to Fallout 3 to me; should it be put in? --- 71.34.76.40 10:01, January 22, 2014

I don't think so. That's too generic to be considered a specific reference, IMO. --Xyzzy ^Talk 18:15, 22 January 2014 (GMT)

Already discussed and rejected. It's not a huge stretch, imo, but there just isn't a solid connection between the two, like a similarly named NPC or storyline. --AN|L (talk) 19:53, 22 January 2014 (GMT)

I don't think this is a reference for the same reasons I did before. It's generic and can easily be explained within the context of the game, so there's not a strong enough connection. ThuumofReason (talk) 20:50, 22 January 2014 (GMT)

Conan the barbarian reference?

In Bleak Falls Barrow in the big cave-like room with the large hole in the roof, if you look up you can see a rope hanging down. On PC if you use no clip you can see the body of a bandit named Thomas. But when rappeling down he fell down onto a ledge, dying when he hit. There's a wolf pack that just looks at bleak falls on the ascent. Could this be reference to the original conan the barbarian novel?

(Conan flees from a pack of wolves, and climbs into an ancient tomb, where he steals an artifact from an undead king, except, like the luke reference, this poor adventurer was less fortunate?)

As a little bit of trivia, the character believed to be the inspiration for robert to write was an author, named Thomas Bullfinch.

Maybe this is a lot of wild coincidences, but a secret nonetheless. — Unsigned comment by Ser Fergus (talk • contribs) at 06:32 on 2 February 2014

This does seem kind of incidental. Thomas the Bandit was killed trying to slay a troll in Bleak Falls Barrow, and wolves are a common enemy in the wilderness of Skyrim. I don't think this was intentional on Bethesda's part. ThuumofReason (talk) 12:13, 2 February 2014 (GMT)

Touche, but why give him a name? Why not just call him 'Adventurer' or 'bandit'?

Ser Fergus (talk) 01:55, 3 February 2014 (GMT)Ser Fergus

It's possible that this is why the dead bandit is named Thomas, but without a more concrete connection, it seems coincidental. --Xyzzy ^Talk 06:23, 3 February 2014 (GMT)

BTW, rather than being a pop culture reference, Thomas may qualify as an easter egg in the old-school sense, as a hidden thing. He only appears at level 18 or higher, and he has a cute little backstory spelled out in his note. --Xyzzy ^Talk 06:09, 7 February 2014 (GMT)

Chuck Norris

When you take the tour in the museum of oddities in Windhelm and when you are told about the Ysgramor's spoon that is actually a fork it is a reference about Chuck Norris' jokes. — Unsigned comment by 77.78.10.223 (talk) at 19:03 on 11 February 2014

Could you provide more detail about this? I am not sure what reference you are claiming exists. --Nocte|Chat|Look 19:42, 11 February 2014 (GMT)

I've thought about this one myself. In Calixto's House of Curiosities in Windhelm, he has an item labled Ysgramor's Soup Spoon, which is actually a fork. In his dialogue when giving a tour of the museum, Calixto even says "Now, I know what you're thinking - this is no spoon, it's a fork! Nobody can eat soup with a fork! Well, my friend, you did not know Ysgramor."--AN|L (talk) 20:44, 11 February 2014 (GMT)

Help me out here AN|L. What's the connection to Chuck Norris? I can't find anything with a quick Google search. --Nocte|Chat|Look 20:46, 11 February 2014 (GMT)

Well, it had no specific connection to Chuck Norris, other than that he's the subject of all those jokes. The phrase actually predates Chuck Norris jokes, Willie Stargell (a baseball player, for those of you not familiar with him) said of Steve Carlton (another baseball player) that hitting against him was like "trying to eat soup with a fork" way back in 1977. I'd support it as a reference, but I'm not sure about it being specifically about chuck norris. --AN|L (talk) 20:50, 11 February 2014 (GMT)

I oppose it as a reference, because it is too general. It seems to me that if we cannot pinpoint the exact joke being referenced we should not list this. --Nocte|Chat|Look 20:56, 11 February 2014 (GMT)

I see what the OP is getting at, but I agree that it's too generic to call a reference. --Xyzzy ^Talk 07:22, 24 February 2014 (GMT)

(←) I would also oppose inclusion, as this could be referring to any number of people, and that's usually how we know it doesn't meet the criteria. ThuumofReason (talk) 22:27, 24 February 2014 (GMT)

Ghostbusters / Max von Sydow

Since the page is locked, I would like to mention that the statement "Both characters are voiced by Max von Sydow," in the Ghostbusters section, is inaccurate if it's meant to pertain to the souls speaking the quote, since both male and female souls will give that response. If that's not what the statement refers to, it could be made clearer. 71.227.70.199 05:03, 24 February 2014 (GMT)

Good point. I altered the wording to reflect this. Thanks for bringing it up. --Xyzzy ^Talk 07:20, 24 February 2014 (GMT)

Football player featured in Songs of the Return

Skyrim:Songs of the Return, Vol 7 contains this reference: "'But this is not seemly,' said Kluwe, who went by Loate when hiding his face." I think this is a reference to ex-Minnesota Vikings punter Chris Kluwe, who uses the alias Loate in World of Warcraft. This article at the Daily Norseman mentions Chris Kluwe, and this tweet from Shane Liesegang says that there's a shoutout to Chris Kluwe in one of the books.

Does this qualify as an Easter Egg? --Elkman (talk) 22:59, 26 February 2014 (GMT)

Seems pretty cut and dried to me. Chris Kluwe is the first person to show up for a google search of kluwe, and one of the first to show up for Loate, and you have a Beth employee confirming it. Good find! --AN|L (talk) 23:33, 26 February 2014 (GMT)

Any doubts I might have had about the initial proposal disappeared once I read the Bethesda employee's tweet. If Bethesda says it's a reference, then who are we to argue? ThuumofReason (talk) 17:57, 5 March 2014 (GMT)

Support. --Xyzzy ^Talk 22:33, 5 March 2014 (GMT)

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