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Vandalism?

I was wondering why you called this edit vandalism... Elliot (talk) 02:10, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, while it is an "undo", it still was removal of info ~ Dwarfmp 14:18, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

images, images... IMAGES!

Hey Dwarfmp! It’s been a short while since I bothered you with an image request, so where’s a whole bunch. Please let me know if you have the time, as I’m keen on getting the images in my Sandbox as soon as possible, simply so I can get motivated to do the tons of checking required. All the bullets below are merely suggestions, but I think this (high) amount of images will help Glarthir’s page be another hit.

(all images in 4:3)

• Dion on the streets, looking at you, warning about Glarthir.
• Toutius Sextius, looking innocent, maybe riding his horse. (needs a new square image as well)
• Davide Surilie, Looking innocent, could be anywhere.
• Bernadette, Looking innocent, maybe in Chapel. (needs new square image as well)
• Glarthir’s House (could be an interior shot – otherwise, the exterior is quite nice)
• Glarthir’s rampage 1 (fighting one of the three – Bernadette is quite funny)
• Glarthir’s rampage 2 (fighting another of the three).

Good luck - and thanks in advance! --Krusty 00:06, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and if you accept, just name them OB-quest-Paranoia_02,jpg, 03, 04, you get the picture. Also, please remove the NeedsImage tag on the current Glarthir page so we can avoid an image war. --Krusty 00:28, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Sure, I'll get on it tomorrow ~ Dwarfmp 01:30, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Great, looking forward to it. On second thought, if you look in the Sandbox again, the image under Bernadette is actually quite good. Maybe you can make similar images for Davide and Toutius? I just checked Glarthir's normal schedule and he is supposed to spy on them (Toutius leaving his house at 9am, Davide home for lunch at noon), so maybe that's even better than "normal" images of her and him in Chapel or on horse? You know, an image of a spooky wood elf keeping an eye out for the suspects? Just a suggestion! --Krusty 07:09, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I was wondering, can I cheat? I can become Glarthir, and make screenshots of myself as Glarthir sneaking and take the spy screenshots like that. I could also just stand somewhere as to not making it completely "not in-game". What do you think? ~ Dwarfmp 13:37, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Haha, sure you can cheat! I followed Glarthir around for a few days and the shots of him and the "victims" are pretty hard to get so no problem. Just make sure to snap them at the proper locations, e.g. outside Toutius' house and the like. :) Good luck! --Krusty 15:27, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I uploaded a new version of the quest image. That's the kind of thing I was thinking of doing for the others as well, let me know what you think of it ~ Dwarfmp 19:06, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Ok it may be a bit too dark, it was 6am mind you. I can try brighten it up if you want ~ Dwarfmp 19:10, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I just thought I'd mention my preference to avoid "fake" images. Crouching and hiding like that is something the NPC Glarthir never does, and while I'm fine with controlling the NPCs for the purpose of positioning them, going outside the AI limitations isn't something I'd condone. --Legoless 19:13, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Well yes that's what I was wondering. I could retake the shot with him just standing instead of sneaking, though it wouldn't look as good. I don't have a preference though, I understand completely why this image would be inappropriate. Any more opinion on this would be great ~ Dwarfmp 19:25, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I’ll have to agree with Legoless – and you! Glarthir never sneaks around and is definitely not intelligent (AI) enough to hide when Bernadette walks down the street. That is what the player is supposed to do. In that regard, Rpeh’s original image was spot-on, description included. When we talked about cheating with images I thought you meant turning yourself into Glarthir to save time (let’s face it, they will meet for about 5 seconds every in-game day, making it pure luck to get a good shot – but more fun, perhaps?) – still, images should always resemble the in-game experience; just think of the talk page consequences if we suddenly posted a shot of Sheogorath walking down the street in Bliss! --Krusty 21:05, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

(←) Ok. It is, however, possible to move an NPC to a certain spot, which in this case would be behind the pillar. Maybe I can take shots like that? It is technically possible, just something nearly impossible to do in-game. What are your thoughts on that? ~ Dwarfmp 22:41, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I've reverted the quest image back to the original, due to it being in use on the quest page. As for Glarthir standing behind that pillar, you might be able to push him there if he has no AI package active. But as long as he isn't sneaking or standing on a roof or something, it shouldn't look too unrealistic. Using freecam so that Glarthir views the NPC from a distance might also look well. --Legoless 23:27, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

My view is that fake images are okay as long as they represent something that could at least happen in-game. My previous version of the image involved a decent amount of console hackery to get a good shot, but it's something that can actually happen. The new image, brilliant though it undoubtedly is, probably can't.

Almost every OB image I grab these days involves the console somewhere. Even with simple images like this I usually freeze the NPC in place using tai then try to get the lighting right. For exterior place shots like this it's usually some tcl to move around, fw to get the weather right and so on. Even for this one, I disabled the bandits 'cos I didn't want them in the shot. For this, I taied Lucien, disabled any NPC likely to walk through the scene, used Timenn's handy torches tool to give me some different coloured torches, moved myself into position to put the best light on Lucien, then tfced out of my body to position myself for the shot so the torch wasn't in it. It's still a valid image though. In this shot, I had to enableplayercontrols as well as freeze the two NPCs, because otherwise you can't get close enough, and in this, I disabled the bar so it didn't intrude at the bottom-right edge of the image.

Now I still say all those are okay, because even though there was some pretty heavy console use, it didn't change anything that really made a difference. And that should be the standard. Enough rambling from me... rpeh •T•C•E• 23:34, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I'll write a more detailed response when I wake up tomorrow, but I'll just say this; if we cheat TOO obviously, people will sooner or later figure it out and mark the images for cleanup anyway. Trick is to make them as real as we possibly can. We have tons of "lightly manipulated" shots on the Wiki, like that recent one of Kithlan and Syl's dummy, and that is "good cheating". Additionally, the three NPC shots should always have Glarthir in them somewhere, just for fun. An image I always liked is this. Even if it Methredhel's page, she takes a backseat to Dynari Amnis, and I think its a cool detail. Glarthir could easily just be some person in "the background" in one of the shots - as the caption will most likely be the stalked persons dialogue (e.g. "do you mean that strange Wood Elf that you see wandering around the city?") So long as they're varied and stays true to in-game experiences (without mods, of course!), it can only produce a fun page! More to come! --Krusty 23:43, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Ahem, well it's been a few days, it was my birthday and all that, so I went ahead and took some more tries today. I'll leave the Bernadette shot for now, I mean, I think I can take a better one etc., but I suppose it is fine. I'm quite happy with the result of this Toutius Sextius shot (despite having cropped it more for focus), although I do have another one with more focus on Glarthir (who doesn't look at Toutius in this case, and looks innocent), and it could be used for Glarthir's page, but I think the one I uploaded is better in general, but I thought I should mention.

I also uploaded one with Davide, though I'm not sure if it's appropriate. You see, in the Toutius shot, other than having disabled two people who always got in the way, it's totally legit, and in Gaston's picture, it's actually me standing behind the wall, and I'm not entirely sure if that shot would be possible with the real Glarthir (I can imagine him running up to you at that spot to ask for your help, then turn his head towards Gaston while the player hides from the picture, but that's about it). Anyways, what do you think about these? ~ Dwarfmp 23:09, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

I really like the shot with Toutius Sextius. His face is priceless. --Legoless 11:22, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Hey D. Thanks for the images so far – I’m not around much these days, but I've put them in my Sandbox and they look good. You can always argue that the Davide image is a bit fake and it may prove problematic in the long run (you know, some user may complain), but I like it so let’s keep it for now. Toutius is brilliant. I’m going to change the captions to fit the images better – now I just need the image of Glarthir’s rampage(s). In the game, I had him assault Bernadette in her sleep, so you should be able to get a good shot of the crazy elf. Good luck and thanks so far! --Krusty 15:33, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

You said it yourself....

So, D – I volunteer to give you the kick in the butt – as for now, I’d really like the final two Glarthir images – and then maybe we’ll have to make an effort at/finish that Sheo page together? --Krusty 01:43, 5 September 2011 (UTC))

In all honesty, I was actually planning on doing stuff today! Sorry I haven't done anything for so long. Now this will definitely get me going, so I will upload new shots shortly. And indeed, the Sheogorath and Jyggalag pages are about 90% complete for a few months now, it's about time I finish them! To think I still have to make the Dark Seducer page... ~ Dwarfmp 13:04, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I've uploaded one with Bernadette about to get killed (felt it more fitting for her to be completely innocent here). Maybe you expect more action sort of shots? Let me know what you think. I'll get shots of both the Toutius and Davide killings, maybe I can upload both, so one could be used on their own page in case they're a wall of text? ~ Dwarfmp 13:57, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Bernadette image is perfect; just uploaded it to my sandbox and it fits the section and tells the story. If you got images of all three, by all means upload them. The quest page or NPC pages can most likely use them. Oh, and for writing articles on formidable NPCs and then stop right before they are finished - I suffer from that one as well; it took me ages top finish both Relmyna Verenim, S'krivva and the like, and when I finalle decided to finsih them, it took me about an hour.:D Just let me know if there's anything I can do to help you with Jygg and Sheo. Thanks for the image - notice, that I'mvery good at postponing Glarthir these days! ;) --Krusty 14:38, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Ok, got a Toutius attacked one and Davide attacked one (though I had to crop that one some more for focus). I think they're up to standards. Fact: Toutius kicks Glarthir's a** ~ Dwarfmp 20:20, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Brilliant! They look good - I'll see where I can fit them in. Now I only need a shot of Glarthirs residence, then I'm off your back! :) --Krusty 23:24, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Done. It's the best I could do without anything being in the way (like Salmo the baker's sign). I think it looks good though, has a fitting sort of evil castle look ~ Dwarfmp 00:29, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Exactly - I like it, and thanks! That should be all images needed for Glarthir- now if I could only find the courage to start testing all that dialogue in-game... --Krusty 06:33, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

About that, I've seen some lines missing: what he says about Bernadette and Toutius after you've reported on them. Anyway, I'll read through the article, and I'll see to that dialogue, I know most of it already, and it shouldn't be hard to check ~ Dwarfmp 10:40, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

I expect to catch most of the dialogue when I dig into it; for now, a lot of the stuff on Bernadette and Toutius can be found in the following sections (when you ask about Bernadette after he has tasked you with following Toutius and so on), but I'll keep in mind what you said. --Krusty 11:24, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

(←) Since you mentioned Sheogorath, I've added the part to of what would be the page. Could you take a look over there and read through it to check things out and see if I missed anything? The Golden Saint image should be replaced by a shot of both a Saint and a Seducer, which I will produce somewhere in the near future, but that's about it I think ~ Dwarfmp 16:45, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Add the Jyggalag Sandbox to the reading material, it's pretty much finished as well ~ Dwarfmp 16:58, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Gah, that’s a huge page! This is just first glance (I’ll read it in-depth later), but it looks to be up to your usual high standards. A few thoughts, though – I know it’s a pain but the images should all be 4:3 – the mix seems a bit messy overall, even if the images are all good. With the exception of the cane image, you should be able to chop off the bottom of the images?

Also, to make the page somewhat smaller, I’d try and collect ALL lines about Jyggalag and the Greymarch in tables; you know, a header and a Jyggalag table, which includes the relevant quest on the left side, dialogue on the right. Same for the Greymarch. When asking Sheo about these two topics, a story can be followed – and I’d be most interested in seeing them put on top of each other, as he will reveal more and more for each quest. Once that is done, put both tables and the headers at the bottom of the page (or when he transforms into Jyggalag) and link to the table from the previous sections. This will reduce the size of the quest sections and tell the complete story about Jyggalag and the Greymarch, as told by Sheogorath from beginning to end. That would be really cool feature! I’ll try and read through the entire page later on. ☺ --Krusty 18:28, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

I was thinking of reducing all that wall of text by using tables, I just didn't know how. I mean it looks awesome from a general point of view (something I can be proud of, as in look at all that info!), but for the reader's eyes it's not so pleasant. So you're saying that I should make a table with all his lines on Jyggalag and the Greymarch during every quest all under each other? Ok I can try that, but it may mess up some sections when it comes to images, but we'll have to see what happens now don't we? And to think of it, it could seem a little weird when it comes to the more confronting lines like "Don't you realize this and that? You should be leaving now" etc. Let's find out ~ Dwarfmp 19:01, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, it's hard to say if its going to work or not - maybe just make a test table in another Sandbox and copy/paste the dialogue? That way, we can find out if it even makes any sense to list the dialogue like that - and how the layout should be? --Krusty 19:06, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

I've added a table at the bottom of the page with the dialogue from the first three quests where you can ask about these topics. Doesn't look much like a story to me there ~ Dwarfmp 19:15, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

It's interesting though! I always liked the way Sheo reveals the whole plot little by little - so that was my basic idea. It may be too complicated (or we should think of another method to break up the walls), but it's worth a shot. Oh, and you probably thought of this already, but the Thadon/Syl dialogue in the Sacellum could be put in a table too. ;) --Krusty 19:33, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Well yes, but he does that mostly when he greets you as you report your success from the previous quest, and since the topics are usually related to the new task, it seems weird being on their own. But I'll finish the table, and I think I'm right about this, and in that case you'll see what I mean (I hope) ~ Dwarfmp 19:49, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Dammit, I think you're right as well - when asked specifically, he does not really say anything. Hmm. I'll have to get back to you on that - it's really tricky! --Krusty 20:27, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Well you haven't come up with anything in a few days now, I'll do some other stuff in the mean time. I added Runs-in-Circles to my second sandbox. Mainly actually because I understand what she does, only thing is I haven't come up with the words yet. Maybe you can help... When you refuse to give her anything, she has to sort of undo your negativity, it's like some sort of obsession but it has to be... right. When she says ni-ni-ni I hear her say no-no-no, in an excessive sort of manner (running around and yelling) attempting to... undo that negativity, but undo isn't the word I'm looking for. Oh well, in any case I can start adding the dialogue from the CS and all that ~ Dwarfmp 14:43, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

(←) I work around the clock these days, but I'll take yet another look at Sheo and Jygga as soon as possible. In the meantime, this is probably useful - it contains all the small conversations between Highcross residents, and I've heard each and every one of them in-game. Another fact about this nightmarish settlement is that you'll have to understand what the other citizens will be doing (lots of percentages), so you should read through this as well. Notice my plea for help - by far the most complex schedule Ive encountered yet - and I'm still waiting for that help! :D --Krusty 22:57, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I have started a Sandbox to try out a few layouts - as you can see, I'm going for a bit of a Glarthir look (no comparison though) in the introductory section (everything above quest-related events), with a few headers - ONE header I'd like is some sort of "Shivering Isles"-header for a general description of the Realm, as spoken by Haskil, the important inhabitants or whatever. I tried using the entire Door In Niben Bay (since Sheo is only a voice-over he is not really related), but couldn't make it work. Nevertheless, I'm open for suggestions on my talk and will try a few things out - some of them ugly as hell, other ones hopefully useful. --Krusty 00:27, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Count Andel Indayrs

I purposely wrote that article in the third person to see if that style was preferred or not, see this topic for the brief discussion that followed that change. Mainly I did that after noticing a note in the Style Guide that said that articles in the third person were alright. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 18:05, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

That wasn't really the problem anyways. There were a lot of mistakes and simply bad phrasing, with all due respect of course. That third person style is perfect for lore pages though, I mean, it should be third person there ~ Dwarfmp 18:25, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

No offense taken, that was done quite a while ago. I've been aware of some of the more severe grammatical mistakes on that article for a while, I just never got around to fixing it myself. I like to think that my writing ability and understanding of the English language has improved somewhat since then. It was my first experience with writing a more difficult dialogue. Mistakes were bound to happen, and my experimentation with the perspective probably didn't help the issue. Thanks for fixing the mistakes either way. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 18:34, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Sheogorath page

Hej Dwarfmp! I think I'm finally getting somewhere with the Sheo page. As of now, I'll go ahead and create tables all night long and see how it goes. I was wondering: An image like THIS is almost too "normal" for the page. Could you take a look at the strange door, in the moonlight - you know, like the Daedric Princes quest images? Maybe make it seem threatening (and dispose of the NPCs on the island, if possible) Also, I uploaded the cane image in 4:3 (your old version) - and used it for A Better Mousetrap, which means we need a new image for The Cold Flame of Agnon. No need to rush with that, though - there will probably be more as I go along. --Krusty 21:00, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Ok so why don't I make a new Strange Door image specifically for the Sheogorath page? I was still planning on replacing the last two images by 4:3 images, I haven't tried getting Jyggalag shots, but a while ago I was trying to take Ciirta shots, but I didn't manage to get the right shot, well I don't know... I'll probably try some more later. Well I just wanted to mention that so you won't have to acquire those. As for more images, I don't know yet what exactly should be added there, we'll see. As for the tables, I don't think I'm a fan of that, but it's still a bit of a mess I see so I'll just wait to complain until you're finished :) ~ Dwarfmp 13:43, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, you should take a look at the entire page and see if the images lives "up to the madness". As for the tables, you're right, it made a whole more sense on Glarthir's page, but I honestly think they are preferable to the giant walls of text. Not that I dislike walls of text, but the plan is to include all the optional elaborations in the tables and leave all the quest-stuff as normal text. Wiki format has its limitations, however, and I think hidden tables looks a bit crappy, especially on a page this size. Since the other method (the Jygg and Greymarch tables)didn't work, we might as well try this. Nevertheless, there's still a lot of work to do - and I'll include both SerC in this discussion when I'm finished with cleanup-round 1. Oh, and by the way - I'm 99% convinced you only have to summon Haskill twice. Can you check that? --Krusty 22:45, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

You're right, it goes like this: when you're asked to summon Haskill, and you enter conversation with Sheogorath again first (before having summoned Haskill), he says: ""Go ahead. Summon him. He loves it."; after having summoned him once, he says: "Isn't that a hoot? I love it, myself. Best part of being a Daedric Prince, really. Go ahead, try it again. He loves it!", and talking to him again then, he says: "Just one more time. At least. He's a sport."; so those are two lines associated with the second summoning, so there is no need for a third as you said.

So I only had a closest save at the beginning of the Xedilian mess, so I had to go through all that to check the dialogue, and I thought I saw some image requests for the adventurers gone mad etc., so I saved a new game right before pushing the first switch in the room with the mini-Gnarl. So as I just checked it now, I'll go ahead and upload some soon. Should you have any questions on Xedilian still (dialogue or something), I can check that out too if you like. I'll check out your sandbox later ~ Dwarfmp 17:10, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: Oh and while we're on the subject, I wanted to point out and thereby ask: I don't recall Kiliban fighting knights of Order, is that because I never drew them to him or something? Does he fight them on sight or anything? ~ Dwarfmp 17:13, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, it’s been a while (at least a month!) since I ran through Xedilian, but Kiliban should help you out when Order arrives. But, if you’re too fast and kill all the knights before he reacts, he will not join the fight – and it is possible that his “everyday” schedule will kick in, making him stay in the other zone depending on the time a day. Might be worth checking, actually: when will his “everyday schedule” kick in? --Krusty 17:37, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

His normal routine starts right after he's told you about the Knights, so that would be after having been attacked. There doesn't seem to be anything conflicting in the AI at first glance ~ Dwarfmp 17:51, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

I noticed a Grummite Shaman Crystal Staff Holder image was needed, but I was wondering, should it be 4:3 and under what name should it be uploaded, I have one right here ~ Dwarfmp 22:29, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Ah, that will make Dlarsh a happy quest leader! Just name it File:SI-quest-A_Better_Mousetrap_02.jpg and everything should be fine! :) Great images all over! I'll start adding them now so the three articles can be beauties like the rest! --Krusty 22:51, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

(←) Hey Dwarfmp! Sorry for the long wait, but I’m so busy with real-life stuff that I hardly can find any time to tweak the Sheo article. It’s incredibly hard, no doubt. As of now, I’m fairly happy with everything until Ritual of Accession – but that one is the real nightmare. Just ignore the two small tables with the Jygga/Greymarch dialogue and try and think of a way of dealing with the conversations with Syl or Thadon. It’s SO close to being redundant, it’s almost painful – yet it bothers me a lot that I can’t solve it. We have four brilliant images at our disposal, yet it still looks….odd. Please feel free to come up with any suggestions, because I’m at my wits end. Anyway, just wanted to let you know thatI’m still working on it, even if I can’t really figure out how to solve it, layout-wise. --Krusty 21:59, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh yeah I haven't exactly done anything useful for the site lately neither. I suppose I can try some stuff in your sandbox tomorrow or so ~ Dwarfmp 22:40, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Hello!

Hey there, Dwarfmp. I was poking around this site, trying to get a feel for being a member, and came across your page. I must say, it's got me inspired to work on my own. I also looked through your Images page. Impressive shots! The character shots are very nice, especially the ones that have caught characters "in action" (like the Tsarrina shot - I love the facial expression)! I really like the images you've uploaded about "More Unfinished Business" and "The Master's Son". So, I guess what I wanted to say, very nice work! And thank you! GoldenHeart 02:08, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Hey thanks! Glad my gibberish inspired you. The images page isn't quite up-to-date though, so there's more of my images out there. Well best of luck with your own page and editing in general! ~ Dwarfmp 02:11, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh and by the way, since you mentioned you liked some of my images, you may want to head to the Featured Images page, where you can nominate an image to give it a chance to appear on the main page. Ahem... not that I'm asking you to nominate one of mine... It's just an idea ;) ~ Dwarfmp 02:20, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Let's talk IMAGES!

Hey Dwarfmp! You seem to be in an image mood, so I’ll take advantage – and point you towards these pages: Oblivion:Vampirism and Oblivion:Graman gro-Marad. The latter is easy – I’d really like an image of him near the ship’s wheel, preferably a night-time shot. The latter is a bit trickier, as you are totally free to decorate it – but it needs some great images. The introductory image is plain wrong (I marked it for cleanup) and the rest of the images are just… small and a bit odd. What the page really needs is an additional image of a vampire smoking in the sun and a cleanup of everything else but this image, even if that one is a bit small as well. Hope you are up for the task – if you need some ideas, just let me know! --Krusty 17:48, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I needed an excuse not to work on Sheogorath, and now I have one! Vampire page is tricky I suppose, basically the task is: "get some awesome pics!", which isn't very clear of a task. When I was checking the page out, I actually was thinking that I'd do a better job with the images, heh, but then at the same time wondering what I'd take images of and how. Guess I'll have to seriously think about that now. Images with the player character might not be inappropriate now, but it should be possible with normal npcs as well... I could also mod myself into an existing vampire of course... Ah, well I'll see what I'll do. Oh and to be a correct sob, I'm pointing out you said 'latter' twice, which is totally fine cause I understand what you said, but still, hah! ~ Dwarfmp 18:01, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Haha, yeah - I see that now. Anyway, for the Vampirism article, I think a good amount of cheating is allowed, as the only decent one is already a "cheater". Should make for a good challenge, though! Good luck! --Krusty 18:06, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I've uploaded this one, hope that's what you were looking for, cause it's very hard to get a decent shot without Graman looking like a d*** just standing around doing nothing while he should be preparing the ship. I've created a new character, going to turn him into a vampire and try to work with him, see how those images work out for the vampirism page ~ Dwarfmp 01:46, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, he is pretty goofy and helpless looking, so I was wondering how you'd solve that one. Looking a lot better at a distance and the night time always adds a bit of atmosphere. Looking good as a thumb too! Thanks! Oh, and good luck with the Vampire images. :) --Krusty 07:38, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

I can see you are on a spree in the Waterfront. Any chance you could take two snaps of Myvryna Arano for me? One where she hides behind the bushes and one of her in jail? Just a quick question! Also, remember that Ughash comes by on her horse on Tirdas... ;) --Krusty 20:48, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

No schedule for Myvryna? Agh, I know nothing of her hiding in bushes I'm afraid. I'm just taking shots of the Waterfront People, and I plan on updating a mass of images where needed. So it's not just the Waterfront, it's all IC districts... all cities! I'm just passing a bit of time, waiting to become a vampire. Well yes I know I can just sleep for 3 days, but I was going to take screenshots anyway. But this one has only just done An Unexpected Voyage, no other quests than that, so I'm afraid Myvryna in jail will require me to go through the TG questline, and I like to keep it clear, for when we need images that require less progress in quests. I could do the TG quest later though, I mean after all, you can save as much you want, so I'm just bull******** about not wanting to progress. I can make a save right before starting TG, so yeah... I'll see to that if I get the chance ~ Dwarfmp 20:56, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Nah, no rush - I haven't done Myvryna yet anyway, but she's on the to-do list for this week. Just thought you had a trip on the Waterfront. Oh, and Myvryna should hide behind the bushes near Dareloth's Garden from 11pm to 1am during The Eleven Maiden. Also, note that a brand new Armand Christophe page was just launched - so there will be some requests for that as well. :) --Krusty 21:01, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

(←) Noticed a bald spot on Methredel's page, thought a pic of her house might fill that up nice, right here ~ Dwarfmp 21:05, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Just remembered THIS LIST. Take a peek! :D --Krusty 23:15, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Ah yes, that might help, thanks! ~ Dwarfmp 23:21, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty much done for the day, I have to leave for work soon. I updated most of the list, darn there's a lot of them! In case you were wondering, yes, I skipped the night. If that's not devotion I don't know what is ~ Dwarfmp 05:57, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

(←) Great work on the images! Really good stuff. rpeh •T•C•E• 06:31, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Is this ok

File:Nerevar Ad.jpg — Unsigned comment by Candc4 (talk • contribs) at 18:15 on 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Um; isn't that spam? So I don't think so ~ Dwarfmp 18:19, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Nope its more of a fan based ad of a product the really doesn't exist----Candc4, Also known as the Man Inside the Sexy Leather Pants CT 18:21, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh, well I guess it's alright then. Not clear it's fake though, not to me at least ~ Dwarfmp 18:24, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

EDIT:Oh wait, actually reading it helps seeing it's fake ~ Dwarfmp 18:25, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

lol my photoshop work is quite good then----Candc4, Also known as the Man Inside the Sexy Leather Pants CT 18:26, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations

Congratulations, you now have a new set of shiny buttons. --Nephele^Talk 15:13, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes I noticed! Thanks. Though it's only temporary of course ~ Dwarfmp 17:13, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

The Big Martin Project

Hey Dwarfmp! One final task before we all surrender to the Skyrim release? This is the big one, and, along with the Sheo page (which WILL be done soon), the perfect conclusion to months and months of hard work. A well-deserved OBNPCRP break is definitely coming up, and I really hope you’re up for this; it's a real beauty in the making, and probably the hardest NPC page yet. As evident in Loganfsmith’s Sandbox, a complete revamp of Martin is underway, and the goal is to have the entire thing finished before November 11th. Whether or not this deadline will be kept is anybody’s guess, but Logan seems determined and we should do out very best to help make a great page for the most important NPC in all of Cyrodiil. What it will take is a lot of images, covering Martin’s journey throughout the Main Quest – and I do hope you have the saves somewhere - otherwise, that you're willing to create them. If perfectly covered, an awful lot of really impressive shots, including the grande finale, are within reach, so please give this some thought. I’ll be along for the ride (the checking stages, that is), so – should you choose to accept – we’re in this together. --Krusty 00:04, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah sure, I'd like to help out. Don't have any saves, but I got the console after all, I can just start any main quest stage instantly. I usually don't do that much because of possible scripts not activating, but I haven't had any problems like that when I did. Well if you have any requests, you can put them here as usual. I'll check out the page and see if I can get any good ideas as well ~ Dwarfmp 09:54, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: I actually do have a save related to Martin. My VERY FIRST character is saved right before going into the Temple Disctrict during the climax of the crisis. I stopped there cause I couldn't get past Mehrunes (I didn't know you could just run past him, and my character wasn't well leveled seeing it was the first time and all) ~ Dwarfmp 10:01, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Brilliant. I just looked through the events of the first section in the game and two images comes to mind. The first one is a bit fuzzy, but some kind of establishing shot of Martin in the Chapel; maybe watching over a sleeping refugee? The second one is clearer, as an image of Martin and the other refugees being led to the camp by Tierra has been on my wish list for the longest time. This is a scene not witnessed by many, and there should be a possibly good shot of the many people heading down the mountain towards safety. Oh, and while you’re there (no worries, I’ll try and limit this to Martin but I have need of this on Tierra and Savlius Matius’ pages) – an image of the two soldiers having the conversation, right before Savlian orders Tierra to escort the refugees back to camp? --Krusty 12:49, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Okay, another ton of info was added by Logan, so here’s more suggestions;

WEYNON PRORY section:

• Martin fighting a Mythic Dawn agent at Weynon Priory (exterior)
• Martin’s Speech in front of the Blades at CRT
• Establishing shot of Martin living a new life in Cloud Ruler Temple.

Good luck! --Krusty 00:52, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't think I can get a decent shot of Martin watching over refugees sleeping. I have taken a shot of him just standing still, taken from an angle to make him look pondering however, positioned right in between the um... "windows" of Akatosh and Talos, which I thought was rather symbolic. Anyway, the image desc could be his line saying "I have trouble understanding the Gods right now". I was wondering if you thought that would have a desirable effect for his page, in the sense of establishment you spoke of ~ Dwarfmp 12:46, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: Also, in what name should the image be uploaded? ~ Dwarfmp 12:48, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good! I took a quick look at Martin and he just wanders around inside that Chapel - I was hoping for a prayer or something, but no such luck - your image idea sounds good, and ditto for the caption. For starters, just upload the images as file:OB-npc-Martin_02.jpg as always (with increasing numbers of course) and remember to add the Oblivion-NPC Story Images Cat if possible. Looking forward to get some images in Logan's Sandbox! --Krusty 13:13, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Will you need a Martin-focused escort for his page? I took an escort pic with best focus on Tierra (she's closer to the camera, and the others are following her, Martin furthest away) in the plaza of the chapel, but I see now you said "good shot down the mountain", maybe another escort pic outside of Kvatch can be taken as well (for a different page or something)? Name suggestions (sorry if I keep asking that, but I want to be sure, and you seem to think a bit differently on file names)? ~ Dwarfmp 14:37, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Yup, an image of Martin in focus will definitely be the best bet right now - for Martin's page. That being said, just upload everything you got, and we can sort it out from there. Plenty of pages could benefit from some more images, so you can't do wrong! --Krusty 14:50, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

(←) I don't like it when I'm given easy tasks! I may have jumped the gun with the first escort, very good looking possibilities. Walking down that mountain has good lighting and great angles. All different shots of which I can't decide which one is the best. The good ones have their own feel to it. Like for example, one where Martin is in the back, right in between two other refugees, but still focused more on Martin, which made me think "maybe we can use this as a sort of "target" pic for Mehrunes Dagon or something, with caption "The one man/target got away". You see I let my imagination run wild! Such good possibilities... ~ Dwarfmp 15:38, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

I have kept the best of a ****load of screenshots. I've uploaded this one (which I added to Oleta's page) and this one for Martin. Are there others needed? I may have a better one for Tierra, but I seen that at one point at the mountainous path, there's a curve and the followers get stuck for a moment, which may cause Tierra to beckon, and I thought that would be an awesome shot if I could get that, which I haven't gotten yet. I also got one from a different perspective, really showing the mountainous path from the back of Tierra and the refugees, which I thought would be good for the quest page. What do you think? ~ Dwarfmp 17:47, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

I've been having a hard time getting "THE" right Martin shot vs the MD agent (we're not talking about just anyone here, we're talking about Dragonborn Martin Septim!). There was a nice one though, with the agent not in the picture, so I uploaded it (this one) and put it next to his inventory and spell info in the intro, if that is ok. I've settled with this one for now to fill up the quest part. I thought that, seeing it was a cool image, it was still not quite what I imagined I wanted it to be. But I was thinking that you'll probably ask me to make another battleshot of him in another situation anyway, so I might get what I imagined with that one, so I used this one now. You probably noticed the size is smaller than my usual image size, but I had to focus them as I'm sure you understand it's hard to get the right action shot. Feel free to tell me what you think. I'll be working on more images later, and I can probably come up with more suggestions, but well, keep me posted! ~ Dwarfmp 00:39, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Don't mean to butt in here on the intense picture discussion, but I just finished the text for the article. Holy crap is it a doozy! Anyways, great work on the pictures, keep it up! I'm out of town this weekend, and I'm thinking that next week on November 10th I'm going to upload the page from the sandbox to the main page, no matter the progress on the pictures, as a sort of send off to Oblivion! So yeah do what you can, but I imagine we'll all be busy come November 11th, so finish as much as possible before then! --Loganfsmith 06:28, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Oops, sorry about the silence – root canal! :D Everything looks good so far, and the image of the spell is spot-on – I was wondering what we should put there, so that’s a good solution. The MD image is also great; nice and angry shot. Don’t worry about cropping and the like. I know exactly how chaotic NPC battles are, so I think you did really well on that one too. Know that we (almost) have Martin in the Temple, things will get a bit harder and more quest-related (after all, he reads a book for half the quest line). I’ll play through the entire quest line this weekend and will try and add some suggestions along the way. --Krusty 09:31, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

At first glance, I think a shot of the Mysterium Xarxes itself, either in its original place or on the table at Cloud Ruler, would be a good screenshot to add. Does Martin read it? I mean, can you see him holding this particular book? Because that would be the shot that really needs to be on his page ~ Dwarfmp 20:48, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Okay, D, here’s a suggestion for the Spies quest. It’s rather difficult to do, or at least I think it is, but it will work perfectly as a new quest image, as well as on Martin’s page. You need to get Jearl to actually spy on the Cloud Ruler Temple. She will do that, but rarely. You need crystal clear weather, a 100% chameleon suit – and then simply wait near the runestone southeast of the temple. When Saveri arrives, Jearl will go into sneak mode and get closer to the temple, slowly, She will stop near a huge rock near the road and will then observe the temple for a period of time. I saw this a looong time ago, and an image has been on my wish-list ever since; an image from behind Jaerl, with Cloud Ruler Temple visible in the background, preferably at dusk/evening. The Temple will be quite small in the horizon, so the weather is important – but it looks beautiful and only the fewest players have experienced that little detail. See Jearl’s page for elaboration on the weird spying-routine, especially the fact that she will NOT spy if her partner is dead – and good luck to ya! --Krusty 01:07, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

If it's clockwork stuff, this shouldn't be too difficult (I made a mod to give me super powers, like heal 1000 on touch for 300 seconds to keep battles going, chameleon 100% for 300 seconds etc.). I'll be uploading Blades images first, because apparently all of them are of low quality, but that shouldn't take too long ~ Dwarfmp 01:24, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

(←) I'm afraid I've run out of time. I believe that for the page to be 100% complete, you need to work on it textwise as well, having the images I still have to take. I don't know what the plan is now, suppose it isn't really finished, at least not as a FA, but it can be released the way it is now. I'm sorry I couldn't do it in time, I don't know when I will complete this task, I really want to, but I want to play Skyrim a little bit more than that :/ ~ Dwarfmp 23:34, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Don’t be sorry – I realized a few days ago just how big this task is for an in-game checker, so I’ll throw in the towel too. I’m sure Logan will understand – the article is brilliant as it is, so it can easily be launched in its current state. And we all want to play and enjoy Skyrim, we just didn’t make it in time. We’ll get to it eventually! On a similar note, I also have to encourage you to launch the Sheogorath page from your sandbox. I’m not pleased with my own results and it’s been too long anyway – feel free to take a look and see if there are any ideas you can use, otherwise just scrap them! --Krusty 23:47, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Well there are a few things I don't like, I guess I'll just use the majority of your work if I may. I'll do that tomorrow. I'm sure we'll get back to this in a year or two! :P

Well, my biggest problem (not counting the TOC, which should be placed elsewhere) is that it looks pretty good when you just scroll down the page – its when you read it closely it gets a bit confusing, especially the whole conversation part with Syl and Thadon. Like I said, just use what you can – and let’s get that brilliant page launched before the snow starts to fall! Who knows, maybe we’ll even get nostalgic and return to OB at some point, for old times sake? Just kidding, project will still be there while Skyrim is happening – and will be there when it is over. ☺ --Krusty 00:20, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Ok I've just copied your sandbox to the page, I'm not gonna bother to get rid of small things I don't like... The whole computer upgrading has taken quite some frustration, trust me... I've also released the Jyggalag page as it is now. Well, let's get this computer "personalized", and then it's Skyrim time ~ Dwarfmp 00:33, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Pelagius

Hey Dwarfmp! Good to see you active on the admin tools, unfortunately I've been a bit ill and unable to play around with them much :P I was just wondering if you could retake the image you uploaded for Pelagius: at the moment, it's too dark and hazy to display nicely as a thumb (you can hardly see his face). Also, yes, it is "Fortis's". For names that end in s you still use "'s" (e.g. "Charles's"), whereas with plurals you just use an apostrophe (e.g. "The members' choice") --SerCenKing ^Talk 13:06, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I rarely use extra light when taking screenshots, as to keep it "vanilla". I guess I should try another time of day, though I think he was pointed towards the sun. Let's hope I won't have to use extra lights on him ~ Dwarfmp 16:53, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your efforts in retaking some of your Blades images. The only ones I think are improvable are:

• Achille - the weird lighting around his eyes makes him look like a raccoon on thumb :P
• Pelagius - still too dark and hazy (although it seems some of the versions have mysteriously disappeared)
• Baragorn - not so much, but a bit more lighting would be nice, only because I feel like being anal today XD

All the other ones are much, much better. Also, once again, please don't feel like you have to be sorry for uploading images over my old, low-res ones. If they are genuinely better and improve the wiki, I'm the first one in line to thank you. If I reverted some of yours, it's only because I knew you could take a better shot, or because the new version was not an improvement (anything 900x900 usually doesn't need replacing). --SerCenKing ^Talk 20:21, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes this is a very sensitive matter! But really, it's good you tell me what's not good enough, I'm not always so pleased with my images myself. Pelagius is still the same, I didn't get to upload any since you first mentioned :o. Achille and Baragorn are two evil critters, sitting all anti-socially in the dark reading their books, which means lighting is always a problem. I'll re-edit the same Baragon image, and take a new Achille shot (again). Anything else -> let me know ~ Dwarfmp 20:28, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: Woa hey, you reverted Caranya, but she's just thin like that. I thought that was one of the best I've ever taken! ~ Dwarfmp 20:30, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Back on topic: I'm afraid I've run out of time. The images can be reverted if you want, because I don't know when I will get back to this. Skyrim is coming... I'll be upgrading my computer tomorrow after work, and I'd have to install Oblivion again etc. By the time I'm finished, it is not unlikely Skyrim is already out there. Suppose there is a slight chance I have time left to retake these, who knows ~ Dwarfmp 23:40, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Recent deletions

Two templates you recently deleted, {{DRsubst}} and {{DR Instructions}}, were deleted because they were unused. It is quite the opposite with these. They both are used as preloads for whenever someone begins a deletion review, as can be seen here. I don't know who proposed it for deletion, but you two should be a little more mindful before you try to have templates deleted or delete them yourself. These need to be restored ASAP. elliot (talk) 03:58, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I've restored them. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 04:12, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about that. They were listed under Unused Templates and were not transcluded anywhere, and there was no information pertaining as to what they were for, so I assumed that they were outdated. So I nominated them for deletion, assuming that if anyone knew a reason for them to be kept they would remove the tag. Perhaps there could be something put on them of their use? I don't entire understand still, and I don't want anyone else to make the same mistake. --DKong27 ^{Tk Ctr Em} 04:36, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

The easiest thing to do would be to check the links that point to it or just ask. Preloads are something many people don't know they are using, but we use them all over the wiki, especially for welcoming and warning. elliot (talk) 04:41, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

My bad, sorry. I should have been checking the deletion category and spotted this. I usually do, but I've been a bit lax lately. rpeh •T•C•E• 05:17, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for a late reply. Anyway, rpeh, you're surely not to be blamed because "you didn't spot it". I don't know too much about templates, but since it had been proposed for 7 days and not unproposed during that time... I was simply doing what I thought was right. If you look at it, only DKong27 is to be blamed ;) But you too were just doing what you thought was right, so you can't be blamed for that can you? Well anyway, it's all fixed so no biggie here. It's just a reminder for us not to propose something for deletion unless absolutely sure it's unused, and to check what you delete, and if you don't understand too much, perhaps wait for another admin to delete the page :) ~ Dwarfmp 19:03, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh and there's still a redirect I prodded a week ago that's waiting here ;) ~ Dwarfmp 19:08, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Wiki Markup / Template Questions

Hi. Maybe you (or anyone else who reads this) can answer a quick question for me. I am playing with This template. There is an option to set text alignment to the left, ta2, but I don't know how to use it.

If you have time, maybe you can edit this section on my talk page for me. What I want to figure out is how to set the text "My Extensive Blabbering" to left-align instead of center. I am thinking of using this to add a showhide option on a quest walkthrough I am writing. Like giving a user an easy way to make a choice between reading about a specific combat strategy, etc. or figuring it out themselves/doing it their own way. I've never seen something like it on a quest walkthrough, so I want to try to use it in one and see what people think.

On the subject, I am also thinking about adding info about which platform and version I am using to my signature, but can't figure out how to do it. Also not completely sure if it's a good idea. Finally, I don't even know how to add the email option to my signature. :o Thanks. --Jreynolds2^Talk 07:12, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

I went ahead and fixed your template. You just needed to use |ta1=left to the template. I'm not sure how good it would be for quests, but I won't knock it until I see it. To fix/change your signature, go to Special:Preferences. Hope this helps. elliot (talk) 07:18, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Elliot. Yeah, I'm not sure how good it will be either, but it's an idea, and a way to find out is to put it out there for feedback, revision, or (yeah right) praise and glory--is there a Nobel Prize category for such things? I'm working on revising/clarifying Boethiah's Calling and I'll either try it out when I save that, or put it in a sandbox and see if I can get some feedback on it. As far as I can judge, neither way should result in anyone's death or illness, and I'm not sensitive to learning that an idea isn't a good one. I'm going to play around with doing the quest in multiple ways before I feel a revision is ready, so it may be some time. If the showhide idea is a no go, I'm sure I will have at least some noncontroversial improvements to add. I put the "getting to xx" stuff in Pieces of the Past some time ago, and I can see a hundred reasons why it might best not be there, but maybe also some reasons why it (or something like it) could be useful or good for some users. There's also some extensive detail on strategy or approach there that I don't think is normal on walkthroughs. Some or all of that stuff could potentially be given some showhide treatment, too, if it belongs there at all. --Jreynolds2^Talk 08:34, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for the swift reply, Elliot, and definitely because I know nothing about templates as of now. So Jreynolds, if you have any questions about templates, Elliot should most likely be able to help. I'm more of the um... no actually I'm not particularly specialized in anything at all :P. Sorry for the late reply by the way ~ Dwarfmp 22:11, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

OK. I was going to ask Elliott about 16 more questions which even the most patient person in the world would reasonably answer with, "Do you know what help pages are for?" .... Then I decided to at least make a feeble effort to figure out some of them for myself. But according to your authority as a patroller, and as a citizen of the country that hosts the HQs of the EU and NATO, Elliott must provide speedy and correct answers to my every question--and THANK me for asking them, is that correct? :p --Jreynolds2^Talk 03:33, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Well if you have that many questions, there are mentors out there, so they should most likely be willing to help out if they can. Wether mentors should have good knowledge on templates is unknown to me, but asking them about it definitely won't hurt (if asking Elliot would), because that's what mentors are for. I'm sure there's someone out there willing to answer all those questions for you, but I can imagine that'd be much easier on the IRC. Looking at the Mentor List, I don't see anyone particularly mentioning templates. So the best I can do is point you to an administrator, as they're likely able to help, but I don't know who specifically etc. I'm sorry I can't be more of help than that ~ Dwarfmp 22:58, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

EDIT: If I had actually read the descriptions carefully, I would've seen that Kalis Agea actually mentions having knowledge on templates, silly me ~ Dwarfmp 23:09, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Mostly, I was just trying to be funny in my last comment. Elliott was very helpful, but I think it's better if I read a little bit before asking my next batch of questions. Yes, there are lots of helpful people, including you and Elliott. And thanks for pointing me toward Kalis Agea as another possible resource. --Jreynolds2^{Talk Contrib E-mail} 01:53, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Aspie or Autie?

I'm still catching up on my watchlist, but just tripped over the addition you made to your RfA. I'm curious, do you have Asperger's or Autism? Either way, you're not alone. ;) I'm an Aspie myself, albeit very mildly (wide range of Aspie traits, but most are mild enough in nature that you wouldn't notice them until you'd known me for a while). – Robin Hood↝talk 22:28, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm still waiting to get tested, I'm on the waiting list which is 2 years... So I couldn't tell, I might not even be either, but I know there's something going on up there :P

Examples: I don't touch the door handles at home (I use my sleeve, and if I accidentally touch one of them I've got to wash my hands), I can't stop checking to see if there's spiders when I'm on the toilet, I always take idioms litteraly, I frequently wiggle (if that's clear enough), I easily freak people out who don't know me, I totally freeze when I'm asked to do something I've never done before without anyone showing me how to (instead of using logic to deal with that on my own), I can't stand when certain things are out of place (which I then HAVE to correct), I frequently have short energetic outbursts (I get out of my chair and start jumping through my room, then realizing I'm doing it and thinking "what am I doing), I can get really agressive sometimes, lots of other social weirdnesses, ... ~ Dwarfmp 23:27, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Most of that sounds like Asperger's, but some sounds like OCD or something similar. Compulsive behaviour isn't unusual with Asperger's, though, especially things like needing to correct things, as you'd mentioned. Another common issue is unusual sensitivity to certain sounds, smells, or textures. Fabrics like wool and acrylic, or even just clothing labels, are really common problem areas as well. Odd empathic reactions are another one...sometimes being able to empathize more with animals or children than with adults, for example. – Robin Hood↝talk 00:05, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

You name it, I got it ~ Dwarfmp 00:15, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Unbanned

BTW, you've now been unbanned on IRC. – Robin Hood↝talk 05:57, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Images

I saw your recent upload of a picture for Dragon Rising. It is a good picture but I usually come across that quest at night and I would say that the same picture at night would look more spectacular. The Silencer has spoken 08:03, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

You mean the Western Watchtower one? Odd, I usually come across it during the evening, just like how I took it. I'll take one during nighttime, see how that works out ~ Dwarfmp 08:20, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, it turned out quite darker than I expected, as you can see. What do you think? ~ Dwarfmp 08:32, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Thinking about it, a nightime picture is hard to take clearly. Of the two, the daytime one is better. Thanks for trying. The Silencer has spoken 17:56, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Re:Mirmulnir Edit

Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. I was just thinking that because nameless dragons don't spawn until after... ThuumofReason 19:27, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

UESPWiki:Image Requests

Hey, Dwarfmp! Krusty suggested pointing out the new Image Requests page (which was discussed on the CP here) to you, with the suggestion of adding the page to your watchlist if you're interested in being a regular contributor to the page. :) ABCface^◥ 21:22, 6 June 2012 (UTC)~

Thanks for letting me know! ~ Dwarfmp 13:02, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Ran into that dialog on the patch talk page and just wanted to say there are those out here who appreciate all that you and the other admins do. Keep up the good work!!! Philbert 22:16, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Well thanks! ~ Dwarfmp 13:02, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Brynjolf

I removed the WIP from Brynjolf's page as your last update to the WIP was on 25th March. You have him in sandbox3. The Silencer speaks^Talk 14:55, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

I've re-added the tag until Dwarfmp has clarified whether he intends to continue working on the page or not, as he isn't inactive. —Legoless 14:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about that, just consider this a frindly prompt in that direction. The Silencer speaks^Talk 15:18, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Apologies, friends. It is true I'm pretty much inactive as of late, for which I have my sad reasons. I do intend to work on the page, however, I don't see this happening any time soon. If you'd ask me as an admin, the tag could direct anyone to me willing to help or something similar, as I will be around anyhow ~ Dwarfmp 00:03, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

:P

Happy happy birthday! Hope you enjoy it :)

-ABCface^◥ 06:49, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Happy Birthday too Dwarfmp, enjoy! I hope you save us all some cake... :P --kiz ^talk_email 10:45, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Happy birthday! —Legoless 12:13, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Happy birthday! :) Vely^►t►e 14:15, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!!! :D --Oblivion Dude 17:07, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

You have been given a Happy Birthday Guy! Happy Birthday! Say hello to this guy! "Happy Happy Happy Birthday Yay yay yayayayayayaayayayaya you're awesome! Ho ho ho"

(←) Happy Birthday! – Robin Hood↝talk 19:09, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Happy Birthday Dwarf. Silencer^Speak 19:43, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you all for your wishes, it is much appreciated ~ Dwarfmp 02:13, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Ah.I guess I missed your birthday.Hope you had fun!--Skyrimplayer 12:27, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Steel Armor Images

Hi. I can fulfill the Image request for steel armor, but I noticed that the existing ones, like [this that you took] are all at the same location. Where did you take it/them? Thanks. --JR (talk) 05:16, 14 October 2012 (GMT)

Oh I didn't realize I made a mistake there. No need to take it, I still have the saves and everything, I'll take them right now. But just to soothe your curiosity, they're taken at a wall in Solitude ~ Dwarfmp (talk) 09:27, 14 October 2012 (GMT)

I got Solitude on my second guess, but I ran around it forever trying to find the one spot, and I never did! Curiosity still unsatisfied, but I'm moving on with my life :n --JR (talk) 15:20, 14 October 2012 (GMT)

Hah, let's see um, it's up on the hill where the soldiers are training, the wall next to the opening downhill towards the Blue Palace ;) ~ Dwarfmp (talk) 15:22, 14 October 2012 (GMT)

dialogue checking

Basically what I am doing for checking of dialogue is looking at the page, seeing what has been written for the dialogue, and checking to see that the dialogue appears in the game. Is that not correct? Jeancey (talk) 23:28, 18 December 2012 (GMT)

The things you're checking are written by someone who got it from the game. Those need to be checked by CS (Construction Set), and vice versa. When you think of dialogue that is in the CS but doesn't appear in-game, you'll see this is necessary ~ Dwarfmp (talk) 23:31, 18 December 2012 (GMT)

I understand that for dialogue. What about services though? You can easily see in game when they offer services (or in the case of Ocheeva, when they don't). Why can't those be checked in-game? Jeancey (talk) 23:32, 18 December 2012 (GMT)

For the same reason, basically. Sometimes an NPC that was supposed to offer services doesn't do so in-game due to a possible bug for instance. I know in many cases, as services like you said, seem obvious, but you can just never tell. It's just protocol. Thanks for your input though ~ Dwarfmp (talk) 23:36, 18 December 2012 (GMT)

So which things can I check in game? I know I've seen things checked by people in game before. Just confirming that people don't offer things? Jeancey (talk) 23:38, 18 December 2012 (GMT)

You can check things that are written by people who used the CS. Say someone used the CS to see an NPC doesn't offer any services, the only thing you need to do is see if that's true. CS contributions should normally be completely correct (unless that person didn't do his job right) ~ Dwarfmp (talk) 23:48, 18 December 2012 (GMT)

Kk, I'll just things as long as they were originally added by someone who used the CS. Thanks for your patience btw :) Jeancey (talk) 23:53, 18 December 2012 (GMT)

(←) Oh no problem. When I started helping out I didn't even know I had to add how I checked it, let alone it needs both to correctly check it. Thanks for your input ~ Dwarfmp (talk) 00:05, 19 December 2012 (GMT)

Sorry to bother you...

Quick question: you reverted my faction-check (done on the CS) to Claude Maric a few minutes ago. I don't understand why, and I thought I should ask before I made the same mistake again. Thanks in advance, --Vulpa 02:10, 19 December 2012 (GMT)

The faction(s) the NPC is in should be written in the intro of the NPC's article. In most cases this is already done, and are factions like "Bruma Citizen" etc. In Claude's case however, there's no mention of his mercenaries, anywhere at all in fact. That's why I reverted it ~ Dwarfmp (talk) 02:15, 19 December 2012 (GMT)

I'm confused. I looked to see what you mean, but I've never seen an NPC article that actually says their factions in the article-- only in the NPC-box to the right. Do you mean including who else is in their faction in the intro? --Vulpa 02:21, 19 December 2012 (GMT)

Well, when someone is a Blade for instance, the intro should mention they're a member of the Blades. Though most factions are just a way to handle AI, so a lot of them can't be written down like the Blades (it would be silly to emphasize that someone living in Bruma is a Bruma Citizen, or when someone is a member of that family when you've already mentioned their spouse and children for example). Claude's page should mention his mercenaries, or his friends, or whatever you can call them, which would imply he's a member of that faction. I know this has barely anything to do with the faction itself, but I link it to the faction because: if everything is checked, the page is considered complete, even though his mercenaries aren't mentioned, and they really should be mentioned, so the page wouldn't actually be complete ~ Dwarfmp (talk) 02:30, 19 December 2012 (GMT)

Ohhhh. That makes sense-- I thought I was missing something in my comment above. :P Well, thank you for correcting me and telling me the right way to do it. I'll go change that now... ;) --Vulpa 02:34, 19 December 2012 (GMT)

Thanks for actually understanding my awkward explanation. I should have probably mentioned that on YOUR talk page when I reverted it, so my bad. Anyway, you're welcome, and thanks for your input ~ Dwarfmp (talk) 02:37, 19 December 2012 (GMT)

Working Mines

Hi Dwarfamp. The problem with the caption here is a grammatical one. We use the definate article "the" to introduce nouns when our reader shares with us a knowledge of, or familiarity with that noun. It is likely that a reader will be drawn to the image and read the caption before reading the body of the article. In some cases then, they will not know which mine is being referenced. This is like me starting a topic on your talk page and asking, "How do you like the page?" Your response would be "What page is he talking about?" And so it is with "the mine": "What mine?"

Haha. I suppose I can guess what you mean, but the caption as I left it would most likely sound like its ordinary meaning. Of course, after your comment, certain images would now enter my mind immediately! How about the change I'm about to make? I can't think of anything particularly brilliant, so if you have another idea, please replace it. Actually, it's not the best photo anyway, right? Her face is dark, and it does not (to me) clearly show her to be working a mine (be it literal or metaphorical). I'll put it on the image request page. If one comes in, please feel free to change it and give it a caption. --JR (talk) 13:53, 20 December 2012 (GMT)

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