Morrowind talk:House Telvanni

Front Section

I believe that the front section of this article could do with some dramatic cleaning up. I have started this process, but here are some problems to look out for in this article if you would like to contribute:

• Rather basic, naiive language (especially in the opening paragraphs).

• Incorrect grammar or punctuation (I have already found several cases of this).

• Organisation of paragraphs and passages.

Faction Table

I have added Shishi and Odirniran, which are both telvanni outposts, under Musc. Locations.(HMSVictory 12:39, 21 November 2007 (EST))

Slavery advocates

This is really an excellent article, I must say to begin with. But to me it doesn't seem quite correct to state that House Telvanni is the only Great House that advocates slavery, since most of the slaves on Vvardenfell (I believe) are working in the plantations and mines of House Hlaalu. At the least it's not correct to state that House Telvanni is the only house to practice slavery.--Quill 17:17, 12 February 2008 (EST)

I agree, at the very least the first sentence of the second paragraph needs to be rewritten. The Telvanni are certainly not the only house to advocate slavery in the lore, in fact as far as I know, House Dres pretty much relies on it to survive. Even amongst the three playable factions in Morrowind, Hlaalu also had councillors who owned plantations with huge quantities of slaves.--Dragoontheguy 10:37, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

Though the Twin Lamps is sort of a sub-faction of the Hlaalu, so the Hlaalu are clearly not of one mind about the subject. It is notable, however, that the Telvanni tend to be the most brutal towards their slaves. You're given missions to quell a slave rebellion, and one mission which basically expects you to let one of the councillors murder her own slave right in front of you. There are other pro-slavery quests in the game, but not for any of the factions. What few exist are all miscellaneous non-faction quests. Also, the only functional slave market is in Tel Aruhn, a Telvanni town. There are also slaves in the Telvanni section of Vivec (and not in the other two Houses' cantons). The Hlaalu missions, by contrast, in many cases tend to be anti-slavery, in terms of bringing down the most pro-slavery members of the faction. So while there may be slaves in both Houses, the Telvanni are the most resistant to a change in this regard. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 12:03, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

Dunno about the most brutal, House Redoran's arena in Rotheran comes to mind. Can someone say Gladiator? Molag Mar has a Slave market as well, and that is a temple holding, and Suran's slave market serves the Hlaalu plantations. The imperials use slaves as labor in Caldera Mine, under Hlaalu oversight. What is true is that House Telvanni is a staunch supporter of Slavery, so I changed the sentence to that. See also the slavery article --Benould^•T•C 14:38, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

Is the Rotheran arena run by Redorans? None of the people there are in the Redoran faction, and the only quest that takes you there is for the Imperial Cult, which isn't related at all. At any rate, no Redoran quests are directly related to slavery, and as far as I know there aren't any slaves in Redoran held areas. (The only exception is that it's possible to purchase slaves to run your Egg Mine for your stronghold, but you could also hire people instead.) Hlaalu's slavery-related quests are all anti-slavery, and Telvanni's are all pro-slavery - even Master Aryon, the most progressive of the Telvanni, is still a supporter of slavery. At any rate, it's not that important, just thought I'd point out that there is some validity to the statement that the Telvanni are the most staunch advocates of slavery. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 20:12, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

Source

Another thing about sources.

Sadrith Mora is the real capital of the Telvanni lands, even though the Archmagister, Gothren does not live there but resides in nearby Tel Aruhn.

But, among those that actually care about who is the leader, the ever-procrastinating Archmagister Gothren of Tel Aruhn, few ever voice their opinions.

These two sentences seem to suggest that Sadrith Mora is the capital of all of House Telvanni and that Gothren is the leader of the whole house. This however is not true, as the Brown Book of 3e 426 indicates:

[The Brown Book is a yearbook of the affairs of the Telvanni Council of Vvardenfell District for 3E 426. It lists the current members of the council, their residences, and their representatives in Sadrith Mora. It also chronicles significant events and council actions for the year.] Councilors of House Telvanni, Vvardenfell District, Imperial Era 426

Archmagister Gothren, Lord High Magus of Telvanni Council, Vvardenfell District, Tower of Tel Aruhn, East Molag Amur, District of Vvardenfell, Province of Morrowind

Master Aryon, Mage Lord of Telvanni Council, Vvardenfell District, Tower of Tel Vos, Village of Vos, The Grazelands, District of Vvardenfell, Province of Morrowind'

Master Neloth, Mage Lord of Telvanni Council, Vvardenfell District, Tower of Tel Naga, Sadrith Mora, District of Vvardenfell, Province of Morrowind

Mistress Dratha, Mage Lord of Telvanni Council, Vvardenfell District, Tower of Tel Mora, The Grazelands, District of Vvardenfell, Province of Morrowind

Mistress Therana, Mage Lord of Telvanni Council, Vvardenfell District, Tower of Tel Branora, Azura's Coast, District of Vvardenfell, Province of Morrowind''

Thoughts on this?

I think the fact that the former says "the real capital" means that it's effectively the capital even though it isn't really. Coming from Lancashire, England, I might say that "Preston is the real County Town of Lancashire", even though it's technically Lancaster.

From those two sources, I don't think you can really tell which is the Telvanni capital of the district, let alone the capital in Morrowind. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 06:27, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

I guess an American equivalent would be to see how many people believe that New York City is the capital of New York. (It's not, but you'd be surprised how many people get that wrong.) Anyhow, the real seat of government is the Council House, and the Council House is in Sadrith Mora, so it's a fair assumption that it is the capital, even if the leader (of the Vvardenfell district anyhow) lives elsewhere. House Telvanni's command structure is not as strictly organized as the other two Great Houses in the game. The councillors are far more independant, and don't necessarily play an active role in all house politics. At any rate, stating that the Telvanni capital is Tel Aruhn would be equivalent to saying that the Hlaalu capital is Ebonheart (where Duke Vedam Dren lives). Or Vivec (where most of the other councillors live, the rest living in manors outside of the city.) But I don't think many would argue for any city other than Balmora being their capital. House Redoran is unique in that all of their councillors live in the same city as their Council House. The other two are much more widespread. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 09:52, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Ah, another one of these discussions; what's Morrowind, what is Vvardenfell? Does the Council in Sadrith Mora cover the whole of Telvanni space? What historical documents do we have for Sadrith Mora and Port Telvannis? The developers conveniently left many holes, when they limited the game to just Vvardenfell, the new frontier. See Six Questions for Morrowind for example, we don't have many details. Balmora could be as young as 15 years, Ald'ruhn can now be considered the capital of all Redoran space, after the council move from Blacklight, and the wizard towers in the Zafirbel Bay weren't really part of Temple district, that is Vvardenfell, but is there a book source other then Morrowind:Realizations_of_Acrobacy? We do call Azura's Coast the homeland of the Telvanni, in that articel, and I tend to agree. No easer answers here, --Benould^•T•C 10:51, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

I think we have to come to a collective common-sense conclusion, and bite the bullet that this is a just a cop-out. No sense, no source, it's fair enough.Temple-Zero 10:58, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Tel Fyr Telvanni?

Is Tel Fyr a Telvanian City I thought that Divayth Fyr was not a Telvanni anymore! He is not a Telvanni ingame only because it may cause difficulties during the main quest if he was faction affiliated. Among Telvanni though he carries a high amount of respect and unofficial influence. He has no mouth or voice in the council and does not wish for one as can be seen here DavManCometh 20:48, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Finding the Hall

I realize this is quite a stupid question but I can't find the Telvanni Council Hall. — Unsigned comment by 207.199.196.90 (talk) on 22 March 2009

Take a look on our map. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 01:57, 23 March 2009 (EDT)

Telvanni AND Mages Guild?

so, is there anything stopping me from joining the mages guild And Telvanni? i've never had -3 faction interactions on a single character before, and i was wondering— Unsigned comment by NordWolf9589 (talk • contribs) at 05:06 on 20 September 2009 (UTC)

No, there is nothing to stop you, unless you are strict roleplaying and don't see a reason for your character to join both. There is one quest from Trebonius that pits you against the Telvanni, but you can become Arch-Mage without it. Don't worry about the reward, you can take it off his corpse after becoming Arch-Mage.Narfblat 08:02, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Advanced necromancy of topic - joining both of them may be legitimate as well - Join Telvani, join Mages Guild, cover Telvani spy while in Vivek, kill Trebonius, enjoy new Telvani magical domination around Morrowind.--87.207.108.197 20:24, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Cannot get Kill Raynasa Rethan quest.

I know this isn't a Q&A but I was wondering if anyone else has had the problem of not being able to get the quest Kill Reynasa Rethan. I'm at the rank of Wizard on the XBox, and whenever I try talking to Aryon about chores, he says "I do not have any chores for you at this time. You have done all that I would expect of a Wizard. Find out what you need for advancement and speak to me again. If you need chores, speak with the other Councilors or their Mouths.", and Raynasa Rethan doesn't even appear in his dialog. What should I do? 24.237.4.141 06:39, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

And also, I already completed the Mouth quest, and when I talk to Aryon he says "You have a Mouth to be your voice in the Council.", and I finished both of Fast Eddies' quests. I have checked to make sure I've completed all Telvanni quests, but the questline freezes here. Thanks 24.237.4.141 06:41, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

AGAIN, I have the GOTY Edition, and I have all the requirements to become a Master, but I cannot advance or get the quest. 24.237.4.141 06:42, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

You also need your stronghold's first stage completed, though Aryon's dialogue doesn't mention it. I just changed the "kill Raynasa" quest page to reflect this. In the future, I suggest you use the official forums to get a faster response. Narfblat 19:30, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Patron

I need a patron to become a mouth were can i find a patron.(67.77.229.118 15:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC))

Fast Eddie is a Mouth you can recruit. I think that's what you mean by "Patron"--^Corevette₇₈₉ 16:02, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

no when i try to advance to the rank of mouth they say i need to have patron first before i can be a mouth (67.77.229.118 19:15, 16 July 2010 (UTC))

Go talk to Master Aryon or one of the others. They'll ask you to do some tasks for them and then you can advance in rank.--TheAlbinoOrc^{any_questions?} 19:29, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

More specifically, this is the quest that must be done to become Mouth. -- Jplatinum16 19:50, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Opening Section

In the opening section in the second paragraph it is talking about their relationship with slaves and then with no transition (or clarification of what year) states "During the same year, the Telvanni Arch-Mage Frathen Drothan turned rogue and gathered a band of mercenaries called the Drothmeri army in an attempt to topple Imperial rule." — Unsigned comment by 68.81.222.161 (talk) on 30 December 2011

That was being transcluded from the Lore article. Someone added some Skyrim stuff there and did not check this page for the errors. There was also a link here referring to this page for more info --Brf 13:19, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

2nd Era

"In the Second Era, they refused to join the Ebonheart Pact, much to the chagrin of the other houses. "

How is this relevant?This is the gameplay article about Morrowind --217.244.66.185 15:18, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

The opening paragraphs on any page are for general and background information on the subject. The statement is not out of place nor irrelevant, as it merely enhances the previous statement about their reluctance and refusal to interact with other Houses. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 16:17, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Choosing a patron

What are the differences between who you choose to be a mouth for? Aryon sounds like the most stable choice, but I can't see anything on the site comparing them. Maybe there's an obvious reason for that, maybe there's no difference. Just curious. Noobyorkcity (talk) 03:32, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

You can only become a mouth for Aryon, since he's your patron. You can't become a mouth for anyone else. — Wolfborn^(Howl) 05:37, 24 January 2022 (UTC)