User talk:Benould

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Thanks for everything, it has been fun to work on the wiki. When it isn't fun anymore, it is time to stop. I'll check in every now and then, good luck.
Welcome to my talk page! Feel free to leave me a message or ask a question. To add a new topic, you can just click on the "+" tab at the top of this page (for more info, see Editing Pages and Editing a Discussion Page). I'm usually able to answer questions within a day.


  • 2008:

Cookies: My cookie jar

Collective Items[edit]

Ya Benould I got one question, its not really important, kind of off topic, but Do you know where to find the commemorative plate in morrowind? Or the jar of grease? You see I’m a collector, and I need these last pieces for my collection. I've looked everywhere in the game and on the web, so this is my last resort; I normally wouldn't bother people like this. Well any help would be appreciated.

Thanks Hyrenaqil 10:28, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

Commemorative Plate Morrowind:Clutter have the ID's misc_com_plate_02_tgrc / misc_com_plate_06_tgrc
Jar of Grease Tribunal:Item List ID Misc_flask_grease
If you're on the PC, you can look those codes up in the Construction Set (which I don't have), which gives you their location. Alternatively, you can use the Morrowind:Console. Good luck in your hunt, --BenouldTC 15:45, 12 July 2008 (EDT)
Thanks for the help, but i also play on the xbox, so the codes can't help me much, but thanks anyways. I'll ask someone who has a PC to check out there locations on the Construction Set. Do know any person who would be willing to help and has a PC. --Hyrenaqil 09:39, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
Neither of them actually exist in the game, I'm afraid. You'll need the console to get them which means they're PC only. –RpehTCE 09:45, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
Thanks no wonder I couldn't find them. I guess I won't have to collect them. I appreciate the help, you've saved me a bunch of time. -- Hyrenaqil 17:25, 13 July 2008 (EDT)


I see you fixed the misinformation that Anarchangel keeps adding to Morrowind:Level about Misc skills not adding to attributes. I already deleted it twice before. --Brf 17:11, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

Data Requests[edit]

Benould, could I ask that in future you make requests for editors to supply you with data on the appropriate article talk page instead of making redundant requests on multiple editors' talk pages? It seems like that would significantly reduce the chance of having three editors do the same work to provide you with same data three times over. And having the discussion on a neutral page such as an article talk page would make it a bit more obvious that some coordination of effort might be needed. From my point of view, at least, it is somewhat unpleasant to spend a couple of hours trying to respond your request, only to email the data then immediately find out that you'd asked another editor to do the same task in the meantime. The request was only just over a day old, and I thought my post just hours earlier would have provided some indication that I was responding to the request. Six hours doesn't seem like an unreasonable amount of time to be allowed to complete the task without having my efforts discarded as unnecessary. --NepheleTalk 19:08, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

Nephele, first of all, thank you for taking the time trying to get me the data, I am sorry that this misunderstanding has come about. I agree, a message on the appropriate page would be better, if such message indeed would get attention. I know that you're not normally too deep in the MW/TR/BM, that's why I posted on your personal page with this -what I thought- simple request. I did not ask Lurlock the same task, he jumped in on your task page, and once it became a back-and-forth between him and me, we moved to his page as to not to bombard you with "New Message" notices. In the subsequent postings, he stated that such a list wouldn't be automated, and it gave me the impression that'd it be not reasonable to ask you to do this. At this point, it was important to get an overview how much missing entries we were actually talking about and Lurlock stated he had some pre-made list, which he then dumped on his sandbox. As it turned out, what was missing was comparatively little, and I was able to fill things last night and this morning with the help of a newly-discovered source. The good news is that most of the work is now done, and Tribunal is better for it. Again, thank you. --BenouldTC 19:32, 16 July 2008 (EDT)


I can't figure out how to make my own SandBox, and I need to experiment. please help me. Jklack 00:29, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Simple, behind your user name, type /sandboxname. Example: wiki/User:Jklack/nameyoursandox --BenouldTC 00:39, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

this still doesn't make sense to me. Do I search it and make a page. I already know what to type i just need to know where to type it. Jklack 20:39, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

I just cut and pasted that, made the sandbox. Still unclear? is the whole address, just replace "nameyoursandox" with what you want to call it ;) Sandboxes are are sub-pages of you (non-existing) user page, you might want to create that first, like It then says the page doesn't exist, would you want to create it? Check the Welcome message on your Talk page, it has several useful links about wiki editing, or click here and you'll pick it up in no time at all. --BenouldTC 20:43, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

When I tr to make my own page a popup apears and says:

  • do you want to save this file, or find an online program to open it?
    • options: find save cancel

Jklack 23:27, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

I just created your user page, click on your signature (Jklack) here to be taken there. Then, look at the top of the page where it says "Edit". That should let you modify your page. What browser are you using? --BenouldTC 23:34, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

When I click edit the popup comes up still. Jklack 23:41, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

You did not say what Browser you are using. My recommendation would be to reset your browser settings, or if that fails, download Firefox and scrub your computer for any spyware. We do not use popups. --BenouldTC 00:03, 22 July 2008 (EDT)


I notice that you're posting the PGE up there. You might want to specify somehow that it's the 3rd Edition, which is distinctly different from the 1st Edition (included with Morrowind) in many areas. The 1st Edition should probably also be posted, for the sake of comparison. (There's no 2nd Edition that I'm aware of.) Granted, the 3rd Edition is more up to date, but there's still some content in the 1st that is not in the 3rd, so we should have both. --TheRealLurlock Talk 14:07, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

You mean like the line "These are the transcripts of the Pocket Guide to the Empire, Third Edition."? I know we have the PGE available for download at redguard files; you'd have to talk to Ratwar if we can host these beyond that. --BenouldTC 16:00, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
Yes, but the page names don't specify, and if we post both in this way, there'll be pagename conflicts between the two that we'll need to deal with. As for old files - well, I mean we have it on the site, but it's the old site, and nobody goes there anymore, we probably should have it on the wiki somewhere. I think if we've gotten around the potential legalities enough that we're posting the 3rd Edition without worrying, we're probably okay posting the first as well. --TheRealLurlock Talk 17:42, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
Which is why there was a talk page entry up about it, how to structure the tree. As long as the PGE 3rd. Edition finds its home before we massively start linking, I am fine with what ever, perhaps the current page can link to the edition as well. For editing purposes, a disambiguation page would be a disservice, and we probably need either redirects PGE, PGE1, PGE3 or a template like {{PGE}}, because typing the whole smear will get tedious fast. So move away, categorize, but soon, so the linking can get underway, good sir ;) --BenouldTC 18:14, 31 July 2008 (EDT)


Yeah, would you mind checking your IRC window? I want to talk to you...--Ratwar 23:47, 3 August 2008 (EDT)


Hello, I see that Temple-zero has added things to Lore:Nedes and Lore: Greedy Man that comes from the MK-texts. Does this mean the discussion about what is canon and what is not is already over???

Apophis2412 02:55, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

No, it is not over, see here for the preliminary statements; a formal discussion will be forth-coming on the UESPWiki:Community Portal. --BenouldTC 03:04, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Edit messup[edit]

If you happen to find the time, do you think you could check my sandbox and see if you can point out which parts caused the messup? (as opposed to your fix of the Shivering:Crucible page). We talked about this for a minute tonight in the irc channel. :) Thanks, --AlphamanT 02:14, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

Thanks, I see where I went wrong now :)--AlphamanT 14:41, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

Userpage deletions[edit]

Just so you know, if a user requests their userpage or sub-pages to be deleted, such as this one, it meets the criteria for speedy dedletion, in other words it might be worth using the {{speed}} tag instead of the {{prod}} one. Just saves the hassle of the 1 week wait period. --Volanaro 15:29, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

I would agree, except they all link to [[User:RobinHood70/PGE]] I I don't feel like I can tag RH's pages. --BenouldTC 15:32, 6 August 2008 (EDT)


You make me laugh. DaedryonTCE 19:19, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Glad to be of service, the world needs more laughter. --BenouldTC 19:26, 7 August 2008 (EDT)


Sorry, my bad. DaedryonTCE 01:44, 9 August 2008 (EDT)


Sorry. I didn't know that all user pages and changes to them were patrolled. Could you advise me on a problem I'm having with my user page? Orange-laser-cube 12:00, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

No problem, ask away. --BenouldTC 16:47, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
Well when I go to add some faction userboxes on my user page, they all get misaligned for some reason. Large vertical spaces appear between the userboxes. I've tried to fix this, but I can't quite seem to get it right. Could you tell me how to organize userboxes correctly, possibly in a column? Orange-laser-cube 18:34, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
If I understand you correctly, you're looking for a floating division, like the example here? <div style="float:left"> and close it afterwards with </div>. hope this helps, --BenouldTC 19:01, 15 August 2008 (EDT)
Yes that's what I was trying to do. Thanks. Orange-laser-cube 19:53, 15 August 2008 (EDT)


Just block him. Skip all warning procedures. He's nothing but a vandal and should be given a chance. DaedryonTCE 02:28, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

And its attitudes like that that alienate potentially constructive editors, a warning might b enough to make him stop or evn start contributing constructively. --Volanaro 05:37, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
Daedryon, blocking is done by Administrators only and then only after following the needed procedures described in the Blocking policy. The only outright blocks are levied against personal attacks and bots. This keeps actions from being done at-a-whim, and transparent enough to be reversible. Just revert the vandalism, give advice or warning depending on the situation; don't worry about blocks. Always assume good faith. --BenouldTC 07:03, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
Well I've assumed good faith, and contrary to what Volanaro thinks, I can sense a vandal and Idiot is a vandal. Must we always assume that every vandal is going to magically pull a good side out of his/her rear end and turn into a good editor? Did we not already learn with DUMG? Our blocking policy is pathetic and prevents us from stopping any vandals in their tracks, but instead, gives them an extra 5 or 10 minutes to vandalize the hell out of UESP. DaedryonTCE 12:27, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
I do agree that the assume good faith idea is takn a bit too far sometimes, but there have been a few occasions where after recieving a warning, disruptive editors have apologised or started t ocontribute constructively. The blocking policy is not a fixed set of rules and admins often make exceptions in extreme cases. --Volanaro 12:32, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
In this particular case, Benould couldn't have blocked him even if he wanted to. Only administrators have that right and none was available at the time. The blocking policy works perfectly well. There's a world of difference between users like Idiot and DUMG and people who just make a mistake. If you have some definite suggestions to make as far as changing the policy is concerned, please do so on the relevant talk page. –RpehTCE 12:35, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
Oh, oops! I thought Benould was an admin. As far as I know, only Ratwar, Nephele, Rpeh, Timenn and Benould are admins. Maybe I was wrong. But still, if Idiot hasn't been banned, he should be. Also, I suggest taking a look at the racist name of User:Fat Cracka DaedryonTCE 12:36, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
And just for the records, the full list of administators can be found here--Volanaro 12:53, 18 August 2008 (EDT)


Are you leaving ;o DaedryonTCE 03:38, 26 August 2008 (EDT)


I have a question for you about editing. if I do a minor edit will it show up on the Recent Changes, I just want to know for when im editing something and I forgot something I wanted to add. Jay480 20:02, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

It will unless people have 'Ignore Minor Edits' enabled.Temple-Zero 20:22, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

Missing NPC[edit]

Erranil the transport mage in Ald-ruhn just disappeared. Is there a way to get the NPC back? ```` — Unsigned comment by (talk) on 9. October 2008

Are you playing on the PC or on the Xbox? If you're on the Xbox, then you should search nearby to make sure he's not just wandered off, if he really is gone, then you pretty much have to load an old save, or start a new game.
If you're playing on the computer, then first of all do the same, search around for him a bit. If not, then you can use the Console. You can use the command tcl (Toggle Clipping), to make sure he hasn't fallen through the floor. Chances are that one of the above has occurred, unless you have installed a third party mod which removed him for some reason. - Game LordTalk|Contribs 15:53, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

Do you want to be my mentor?[edit]

Hi, my Morrowind name is Talaryn Falaris. I am a male Dunmer, the Archmaster of House Redoran, and currently finishing the main quest. After that, I will play Tribunal and Bloodmoon. I also play Oblivion sometimes, although I don't have the game myself. A few days ago, I created an account on this site, because I really love it, and would like to help it grow. But... I really don't know how to help. Would you, Benould, like to teach me how I can make the UESP even better? Thank you very much. Talaryn. -Talaryn Falaris 10:27, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Well, I guess you can't, since you do not seem to be a mentor anymore. Too bad, I'll have to go find someone else... Talaryn Falaris 14:59, 2 March 2009 (EST)

Mentor Program[edit]

This is a courtesy message to inform you that your user profile has been removed from the list of mentors at UESPWiki:Mentor Program, and also to request that you remove the "Mentor" userbox on your user page, if applicable. If this userbox is not removed within one week from the date of this notice, an administrator will remove it. Please visit the Mentor Program page to see the expectations of mentors. If you believe you satisfy the expectations of Mentors, then please contact the user who posted this message. The reason you were removed from the list is: "Mentors are expected to be active on UESPWiki within the last three months." –RpehTCE 18:20, 17 December 2008 (EST)

Send that in a wikimail as well, along with a sad puppy picture begging him to come back. 18:23, 17 December 2008 (EST)