Lore talk:Thu'um

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"nords and some others?"[edit]

Is there any evidence of a non-nord using Thu'um? With the exception of the player character if he or she chooses not to be a nord, of course. Wonklad (talk) 20:01, 20 November 2012 (GMT)

That should be enough. But there are also dragons. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 20:05, 20 November 2012 (GMT)
Well, there's this vague reference from Children of the Sky
"The power of a Nord can be articulated into a shout, like the kiai of an Akaviri swordsman."
I doesn't say this Akaviri ability is literally the same ability as the Thu'um but that they are similar. We learn in Skyrim that the Akaviri had many tactics for bringing down Dragons including special prayers. It's plausible that the Kiai ability mentioned here in relation to the Voice could be a related type of verbal magic, especially considering the history of Dragons in Akavir. (Pilaf The Defiler) 0:07 11/25/2012
There's also the Ebony Warrior. A Redguard who uses dragon shouts. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 00:03, 12 December 2012 (GMT)

Merger Proposal[edit]

I don't support the merger, as I believe the thu'um and the Way of the Voice are sufficiently distinct concepts, and there's more than enough information on each to support separate pages. One is a magical power, the other is a philosophy involving the use of that power. Related, but distinct concepts. It's similar to the distinction between general sword-fighting and the Ansei. The solution to the concerns that I assume prompted this proposal is for each page to properly focus and discuss its scope. The thu'um page, in particular, could be more comprehensive, and it seems to be the one infringing a bit into the Way of the Voice's sphere. I set up the bulk of it just as a placeholder about nine months ago; it doesn't need merging, only improving. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 19:45, 6 April 2013 (GMT)

I agree, the Way of the Voice is a philosophy held by a select number of "human" Thu'um users. Ulfric Stormcloak clearly doesn't follow that philosophy, nor the Ebony Warrior, or even the Dragons. They are distinct concepts. Necromancy and Conjuration is another example of concepts that are very similar, yet very different. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 21:37, 6 April 2013 (GMT)