User talk:Mindtrait0r

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Good Work[edit]

Just wanted to say good work on the NPC pages. Imperialbattlespire (talk) 02:00, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

A Gift[edit]

Skull Chandelier.gif
Rim says "Great Job!"
Fantastic work on the Ayleid Empire page! It has been on my bucket list forever, and for a topic that has no one informative book that talks just about it (ie how the Xivkyn get On the Xivkyn), you did a great job finding info! Hopefully we can continue to improve it, but its lookin real good already :)
In keeping theme with the Ayleids' obsession with horrifying human-made furniture, enjoy this skull chandelier! The Rim of the Sky (talk) 23:27, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
I humbly accept this accolade! Thank you for your contributions, too, I never would have found imperatum saliache as an alternate term. Mindtrait0r (talk) 23:44, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Of course! Its crazy how many topics have alternate names when you really look for em haha, keep up the good work on writing lore articles! The Rim of the Sky (talk) 23:09, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


At long last, you have patroller rights. Congrats! Robin Hood(talk) 19:25, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Congrats! —⁠Legoless (talk) 18:45, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Congratulations! Tyrvarion (talk) 19:04, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Congrats homie! The Rim of the Sky (talk) 23:09, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Old Age Article[edit]

Let me start by saying I love the concept of the article and all the work you have put into it thus far and definitely will look at it more in depth at some point and see if there’s anything further to add. But on the changes with Demnevanni boys: The oldest age we get for Baladas is 2000 years old, Revus is his ancestor so he would be older than him but we don’t know by how much so we don’t know if Revus is 3000, or 2025 years old it’s hard to say. We know Baladas is older than Gnisis as an establishment and I’m not sure if that’s where you got the 5,000 + figure or not but we have no evidence of gnisis being that old despite the fact that Arvs-Drelen is a Velothi Tower, it’s not mentioned in before the ages of man as one of the velothi tower that was erected in the Merethic so we aren’t explicitly sure if we can date it to that far back and even if we can we don’t know if the erection of that Velothi tower goes hand in hand with the creation of "gnisis" as a city. Thus we are left with the original source that places Baladas at 2000+ years old and Revus also at 2000+ years old, older than Baladas but we don’t know by how much. Dcking20 (talk) 15:14, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Looking back at the source, your points are valid. I appreciate the changes and the interest in the project! Mindtrait0r (talk) 16:34, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Ambiguous protagonist[edit]

There is no such wiki standard. Please don't make any more of those edits without discussion. We have been naming the player characters on articles for years. —⁠Legoless (talk) 13:58, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

I've had discussion on this before and seen it all over the site. I'll stop for now, though. Mindtrait0r (talk) 13:59, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Confirmation of this policy has been given to me by an admin, but I'll go ahead an justify it with logic anyhow. Bethesda has shown that not all quests in-game are actually completed by anyone in lore, shown in Skyrim by Neloth being alive despite a quest where you kill him in Morrowind. Like I said, though, an admin has confirmed this practice to me in messages, which I asked for specifically to do this sweeping edit for consistency. Just search "an adventurer" with the quotes into the search bar and you'll see why I did this (consistency issue). Mindtrait0r (talk) 14:03, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Both approaches are used on articles, you're right. This originally came about as a result of compromises that were made when we first began documenting gameplay events in lorespace as part of the Shivering Isles Redesign Project. Some people were opposed to stating as fact that the player character completed all possible quests, so ambiguity was introduced as appropriate. However, we have moved away from this, and you will find that most lore articles now name the protagonist outright. For quests with complex or contradictory outcomes, we usually highlight the discrepancy out-of-universe in the Notes section instead (e.g. see Lore:Gildergreen). —⁠Legoless (talk) 14:06, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Very well, where was the discussion on this so I can read the reasoning? I disagree with that completely, so don't misunderstand me for doubting you, I just want to see if I'm missing something. Mindtrait0r (talk) 14:08, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
It's been over a decade since those decisions were made so I'm afraid I can't point you towards the specific discussions. Just trying to provide some context to explain why some of our articles are written like that. It's not wrong, it's just an outdated style of writing lore articles. —⁠Legoless (talk) 14:17, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
I'm curious which admin confirmed this policy? --Jimeee (talk) 16:06, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

() I asked Jeancey about it and he confirmed it. Not trying to throw him under the bus or anything, as I agree with his assessment honestly. The fact that he did not know about this supposed consensus goes to show that there is a problem here. Probably going to draft up a community portal post to get some perspectives. Mindtrait0r (talk) 16:09, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

The idea of disassociating, just to give one example, Trueflame and Hopesfire with the Nerevarine is an idea that trips and falls flat on its face. Many of these artifacts and events are so intertwined with the player character that to make the wording ambiguous (once again arbitrarily merely because of player character controversies) is bad documentation practice and I personally would oppose it to the nth degree. Dcking20 (talk) 16:30, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Template:Lore Appendices[edit]

"cuisine is its own lore category, not an appendix, see Lore:Main Page. Drugs and alcohol are part of Recreation, another lore category outside the appendices"

Cuisine or food, is part of culture. There is a section in the appendice template called Culture and Tradition. I also noticed the words Music and Sex are in that same section too and they also appear in the Lore:Recreation article. Furthermore the word Smithing appears in the same section as well, even though it is also part of the Template:Lore Crafts Footer and Template:Lore Weapons Footer. So when Alcoholic Beverages and Drugs are added to the appendice template I do not see an issue. --KevinM(talk) 17:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

While there are appendices articles which are related to culture, not every article related to culture is an appendix. The navbox section is only there as a convenient grouping for organizational and navigational purposes. If the music and sex articles have Recreation trails, then they aren't reasons for drugs and alcohol being included, but rather further entries to remove. Mindtrait0r (talk) 04:14, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Are you implying that music and sex should be removed as well? music and sex are a part of culture too as a matter of fact recreational activities are a part of culture. So I couldn't disagree more... --KevinM(talk) 04:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
The appendices do not have exclusive jurisdiction on culture-related pages. There is no lorespace for culture. Some culture-related pages are in the appendices. For added organization, these pages are sorted together on the navbox under the section heading "Culture and Tradition". This does not mean that every culture-related page is an appendix. Mindtrait0r (talk) 19:41, 6 July 2024 (UTC)