Lore talk:Shezarrine

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People or Faction?[edit]

I just want to note for future reference that my placement of this page under "People" was basically an arbitrary decision due to a lack of information, and could be subject to change if and when we know more. It could have easily gone under Factions, but I felt it would be slightly less presumptuous to treat it as a persona, like we did with the Gray Fox, instead of an association of people, which would have implied that they are actually more than one person. Which they could be, I don't know. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 22:56, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I agree with treating it as a persona. It's less a group of people, and more a line of reincarnations (Shezarr + Nerevarine = Shezarrine). —Legoless 23:19, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Player may be Shezarrine[edit]

I'm definitely not the first person to think of this, but I hold the belief that all the player characters in the Elder Scrolls series are Shezarrine. If one person plays through all the Elder Scrolls games, then one might conceivably argue that all the main characters (Hero of Kvatch, Dragonborn, etc) are just reincarnations of each other and perhaps Lorkhan. — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 16:33 on 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Agreed, but there aren't really enough references to make such a claim on this page. The concept of player characters is covered at Lore:Hero instead. —Legoless (talk) 18:26, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
I think the thematic similarity between the two articles justifies a link, maybe in the notes section. 21:29, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Needs more sources.[edit]

"The confusion caused by many incarnations of the Shezarrine is responsible for many identity mix-ups throughout history. Some examples include the many names of Pelinal Whitestrake, who were likely separate Shezarrines thought to be a single being, which would explain the variation in the many legends of his deeds; Tiber Septim, who is officially considered to be one man by the Empire but may have been at least two separate people; and the several figures involved in the Imperial use of the Numidium, including the mysterious Underking." doesn't have a single source and it just conjecture/theory without them which doesn't belong on the wiki.Buaf (talk) 07:47, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


Why is a former developer referred to as a 'developer' in the notes section here? As the games progress and the lore is expanded on, the prominence of one random employee seems less relevant to the actual substance of the lore officially speaking and may be at some point just conjecture until explicitly confirmed or evidently contradicted. 10:47, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

The 'developer' in question is probably the most important person in developing Shezarrine lore, and the language should reflect his status at the time of the comments. The developer has not entirely left Bethesda either, he is frequently used to write new in-game books, some of which expand on certain lore topics, resulting in him having a continued significant effect on the development of lore. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 17:52, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Existence of the Page[edit]

Something interesting came up on Discord some time ago and I thought it was a good idea to move it to this talk page. Even if nothing comes from it, at least it will make sure for future users that this is noticed and discussed. The text below was written by a user named Serithi:

Unless I'm mistaken (and I've done a decent double-checking to make sure), this page should probably not exist, or should otherwise be heavily refactored and renamed. The one single time the term "Shezarrine" is ever used, officially or unofficially, is in The Song of Pelinal v5, referring to Pelinal specifically.
It is a solid truth that Morihaus was the son of Kyne, but whether or not Pelinal was indeed the Shezarrine is best left unsaid (for once Plontinu, who favored the short sword, said it, and that night he was smothered by moths).
That's the only time the term's ever used, and examining the citations on the page, it's actually a complete presupposition that it's a term used for avatars of Lorkhan/Shor/Shezarr in any official capacity that it's then working off of. The page assumes "Shezarrines" is a thing and goes from there. Avatars of Lorkhan are ostensibly a thing, of course. But we're the ones calling them Shezarrines, not the lore. Likewise the claims it makes about the nature of Shezarrines are extremely loaded, since it's saying stuff that actually only Pelinal alone did. A study group of 1 isn't very representative of things beyond that single 1.

--Ilaro (talk) 17:22, 9 November 2019 (GMT)