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Hey Jak, I realised you were changing links past redirect. Well, I think the links should be changed back to Skyrim:Winterhold (city), Skyrim:Winterhold be moved to Skyrim:Winterhold (city), Skyrim:Winterhold (disambiguation) be moved to Skyrim:Winterhold, and leave Skyrim:Winterhold (region) as it is. What do you think? ~ Psylocke 08:21, 4 January 2013 (GMT)

I disagree. For a Wikipedia example, see Airplane (ignore that it's a redirect). There are many, many pages that are titled Aeroplane and Airplane, but they chose the most significant of all of these and made it the main article. Similarly, with Winterhold, the city is by far the most important of the two articles, so it gets the article Skyrim:Winterhold. Since its been like that forever and has remained uncontested, we might as well remove the unnecessary redirect. • JAT 08:30, 4 January 2013 (GMT)
For Wikipedia's rule on this, see WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. • JAT 08:31, 4 January 2013 (GMT)
Okay thanks, I can go with that. Should the city's talk page redirect be deleted too? ~ Psylocke 08:38, 4 January 2013 (GMT)
Yes, it should. Thanks - I forgot about the talk page. • JAT 08:39, 4 January 2013 (GMT)

Needing a Life[edit]

Pardon the intrusion, but I noticed that you suggested on ABCf's page that perhaps you should "get a life." As someone who cares about all people (I'm a humanist), I feel it's my duty to try to help you by supporting that idea. Why have I already reached a judgment on this? It was the edit summary of the message: "Tomb consistency." Is it ok for me to just ask: Jak, are you crazy? (P.S.: Thanks for the brilliant help shining up the combat page. You really took it from a partly-finished draft to "ready to publish." I'm just gonna give it a last scan. I don't know much about combat [I'm a pacifist by nature], but I think the page is better written now in terms of things like how to hack off people's limbs, and etc. We provide an important public service. Feel the pride!!--JR (talk) 12:30, 4 January 2013 (GMT)

If you need a life, you can take mine. It's just been going to waste the past few months. Barely used, with only a few dents on it. 300 Septims if you're interested :P Snowmane(talkemail) 16:50, 4 January 2013 (GMT)


Thanks for doing this! That's bothered me for a long time, and I never knew it was possible to do anything about it. Cool! :D — ABCface? 20:12, 4 January 2013 (GMT)

You've just beautified like every lore page. Kudos. —Legoless (talk) 20:23, 4 January 2013 (GMT)
I seem to remember from experimenting with it that there are occasionally problems with doing that, but if there are, it's probably easier to handle them as exceptions rather than having the entire site have the stupid extra spacing for superscripts. Great idea! Robin Hood  (talk) 20:34, 4 January 2013 (GMT)

CSS God Required[edit]

Alphabetface mentioned that striped tables aren't working anymore. I gave it a really quick poke in my CSS file and it didn't work. Since CSS seems to be your thing, can you look at it when you have a moment? Probably WP has something like this working, but I'm in the middle of a few other things atm, so I don't want to get too distracted. Robin Hood  (talk) 06:02, 5 January 2013 (GMT)

Fixed it. It was a pseudo-selector issue, where it was using a JQuery-specific pseudo-selector instead of a CSS one. Unfortunately, this doesn't work on IE8 or earlier (of course); in order to get that to work, we'd have to do something like this:
jQuery.noConflict().("table.striped tr:even").css("background-color", "#efefef");
However, that's introducing JQuery, which is something that I'd like to avoid. I think the current solution is best, but we could always do both if we felt so inclined. And of course, IE might not support this either. • JAT 08:09, 5 January 2013 (GMT)
RH, does the fix justify an addition to Lore:Gods? --JR (talk) 09:49, 5 January 2013 (GMT)
LOL @ JR. Thanks, Jak! Robin Hood  (talk) 09:54, 5 January 2013 (GMT)
JR: Done. Jeancey (talk) 10:06, 5 January 2013 (GMT)
JR: In regards to your edit, Jeancey has used the official style recommended by Wikipedia (see point 2). On UESP—and, in truth, on most wikis I've seen, including WP—a lot of people just follow the simpler "one more indent than the last one" rule. This makes the delineation of new replies very obvious at the expense of making it somewhat more work to indicate who you're replying to (usually by putting names, as we've done here). At least IMO, neither form should be corrected, except in long conversations using mixed styles, which can be confusing. Robin Hood  (talk) 11:18, 5 January 2013 (GMT)
Robin Hood: Thanks so much for taking the time to explain that to me. You did it because you thought I might wonder why my edit was reverted. A typical display of consideration and thoughtfulness from you. In fact, and you would have no way of guessing, Jeancey and I were playing a bit on IRC and just having some fun. Sorry patrollers. (I blame Jeancey.) :p --JR (talk) 14:15, 5 January 2013 (GMT)
I'm sorry. JR made a small typo. JR blames Peregrine, not me. He just told me so on IRC. Jeancey (talk) 14:18, 5 January 2013 (GMT)

() I request a sane person's intervention. Jeancey needs to learn that it's better to follow rules sometimes. I request Silencer or Dwarfmp to advise him that talk pages are for "wiki business". While most of us enjoy little departures from time-to-time, let's not let this become a disruption. Also, he may be a bot. Look at his edit count--in one month. --JR (talk) 14:25, 5 January 2013 (GMT)

JR has clearly become ERROR ERROR <phychiatriccondition> ERROR because of ERROR ERROR <reason> ERROR due to ERROR ERROR <underlyingcause> ERROR. I respectfully request that ERROR ERROR <administratorname> ERROR take action. Jeancey (talk) 14:49, 5 January 2013 (GMT) Jeancey (talk) 14:49, 5 January 2013 (GMT) Jeancey (talk) 14:49, 5 January 2013 (GMT)
It cannot go without saying that the most recent previous edit should be reverted {nonsense, [gibberish type]), and before it becomes disruptive to the purpose of the wiki. Jeancey is maliciously and deliberately wasting people's time. For what? Nothing more than silliness at best, and perhaps some kind of felony at worst (I'm not a lawyer, and I admit that I don't know whether he has broken any laws. I'm just saying that we don't know.) Please revert asap! If he needs to be blocked and he thinks it's unfair, I hereby agree to be blocked along with him, and no apportionment of fault need be made.--JR (talk) 15:58, 5 January 2013 (GMT)
Poor Jak Atackka. He just wanted to help, and now his talk page and email notifications are blowing up, because his talk page is being used as a conversation hub lol. Anyways, JR, the system gives me an ID-10-T error when I try blocking this so called malicious bot, so I think we need to just let the bot run its course for the time being... Unfortunately :P Snowmane(talkemail) 19:00, 5 January 2013 (GMT)
This gave me a good laugh :D • JAT 20:57, 5 January 2013 (GMT)

Skyrim, Dawnguard, Octieve San[edit]

Hello Jak, First off, I picked you because of what you posted in the editing page about those who edit this site. I did not want to edit any pages out of respect for the work you all do. I love coming to the site and finding info that I need. With that said, I wanted to mention and I would assume you might know who to pass this on too.

Octieve San a resident in Solitude was killed by Vampires(Skyrim Add on:Dawnguard). I figured that this would/could be added to Octieve's page. I guess that is what he gets for standing outside the Winking Skeever drunk in the middle of the night. 14:13, 7 January 2013 (GMT) Ronnie

Hello Ronnie, and welcome to the site! We welcome all users of this site, both those with accounts and those without, to edit our site. If you would rather have me edit the page, though, that's fine too. Is Octieve San's death related to a quest, or is he killed when you install the addon? • JAT 14:53, 7 January 2013 (GMT)
Just before his untimely demise, I had talked to him and found out about his debt. But shortly after some vampires due to the addon came along and killed him before I could do his 'radiant' quest.— Unsigned comment by (talk) at 14:57 on 7 January 2013 (GMT)
I suspect that was a random encounter. Vampires will randomly spawn in cities that you travel to, and they are notorious for killing civilians. In one of my saves, I found the ashes of Adrianne Avenicci in the middle of Whiterun; it was the result of a random vampire attack. • JAT 16:54, 7 January 2013 (GMT)
Hi Jak. I reas this and I assume that you might not add this info to the page then? I just wonder if ronnie may be wondering. --JR (talk) 17:18, 7 January 2013 (GMT)
I can check the CK when I get home later today to see if there is anything specific that kills him (or just turn on my Xbox and see if Octieve San is still alive). If not, then I won't add it, because it's just due to a random encounter that could've killed any other civilian as well. • JAT 17:21, 7 January 2013 (GMT)
Hi Jak and JR, I am not sure if it should be posted in the page about Octieve San, I thought it "may" be noted that he can die and that if you haven't done his quest than you will not be able too if he is dead. Maybe it isn't important that is why I do not want to edit on this site, because I do not know what is important to mention and not. 00:26, 8 January 2013 (GMT) Ronnie
Generally, you can edit the site with any good faith edit. If it is already mentioned, or isn't really notable enough, then someone will remove it, but there isn't any problem with adding something, as long as it is in good faith. Hopefully that made sense... :) Jeancey (talk) 00:46, 8 January 2013 (GMT)
Hi Jeancey, Yes that make sense. 01:04, 8 January 2013 (GMT) Ronnie

Dragon Text[edit]

Hey, quick question, what's the code to get the dragon text without using pics? When Oblivion was the newest game I had to use a font that most people don't have so it doesn't show for most people. But I'm sure I don't have the Dragon Font Pack on this computer yet it shows up... So confused xD Mikeyboy52 (talk) 06:37, 19 January 2013 (GMT)

It's a web font that's installed on this web site, so as long as you are on this site, you can view this font. • JAT 06:49, 19 January 2013 (GMT)
Thank you for the quick reply, would you mind pointing me in the direction of the file or a page explaining the use? I had assumed as much but I've yet to find a page with any information.Mikeyboy52 (talk) 07:07, 19 January 2013 (GMT)
Try using the {{DragonFont}} template, like this:
That's all there is to it! • JAT 07:56, 19 January 2013 (GMT)
Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me, hopefully I can get a good signature up soon. Have fun editing :P Mikeyboy52 (talk) 08:01, 19 January 2013 (GMT)
Likewise :) • JAT 08:10, 19 January 2013 (GMT)

Test edit[edit]

Testing out editing from Java app. Wabbajak (talk) 07:54, 20 January 2013 (GMT)

Test 2[edit]

Testing out editing with my bot's new GUI. Wabbajak (talk) 09:26, 21 January 2013 (GMT)

Test 3[edit]

And another test. Wabbajak (talk) 07:22, 22 January 2013 (GMT)

Morrowind Icons[edit]

Hi Jak! I'm all for renaming icons, but if you could please (pretty pretty please!) remember to update the file links as you go, that would be awesome. Sticking a {{speed}} tag on there helps a bit on the back end, too, but updating the file links would save me the most time. Thanks a bunch! eshetalk 17:30, 22 January 2013 (GMT)

Sorry about that! I was going to do all that, but I kind of got distracted with life, and never got around to it. Thanks for doing all that, though! • JAT 18:35, 22 January 2013 (GMT)

Wabbajak is broken[edit]

Might want to check out your bot. I clicked two random links out of curiosity, and it's naming the links wrong, and there are still redlinks. Just a heads up in case you aren't already aware. ES(talkemail) 09:10, 31 January 2013 (GMT)

I know. I let it run last night and it got through about 40 edits before I noticed that something was wrong, so I canceled it and ended up reverting about half of its edits. It was a combination of three minor errors - the code that replaces links in a page had a minor logic error that made it screw up on two particular images, it was editing links, and it was replacing "+"s with spaces. They all have easy fixes. • JAT 15:04, 31 January 2013 (GMT)

Bot status for Wabbajak[edit]

Have you asked Daveh to make your bot official? That way we can avoid flooding the Recent Changes page with minor bot edits. I'm pretty sure only he (or Nephele if she were still around) can make that change, though with direct database access it might be possible to do from the back-end. TheRealLurlock (talk) 16:11, 1 February 2013 (GMT)

I have asked Daveh about it, but before I am granted those rights, I have to complete the rest of the requirements to become a bot and may have to go through the nomination process. Last night was my second (and likely final) full-scale trial run. I needed to observe the results for a full-scale job (there are only so many things you can do in testing), and it needed to be easily visible so that way if someone noticed something wrong they could point it out to me and I could stop the bot. This turned out to be useful, because two nights ago revealed that the bot had three minor problems that I'd overlooked, and last night revealed that I need to tweak the regex replacing function on my bot to account for a wider variation of image links (decapitalized, etc.) Don't worry though - I don't plan to do any more large jobs until Wabbajak gets bot rights, so the Recent Changes won't have to fear his wrath. • JAT 18:54, 1 February 2013 (GMT)
Cool - though we might want to update the criteria slightly. One thing on there that's a little iffy is the restriction on editing User pages, which you did in your last batch. Not saying that's a bad thing - updating links to moved images should generally be allowed, even if said links are on User pages. So we might want to relax that rule a bit.
Incidentally, when you get your bot up and reliably running, I might like to have a look at it myself - I find myself doing bot-like tasks by hand on a fairly regular basis. I've even got the account set up for it: TheFakeLurlock, which I've never used. (Only created the account to prevent anyone else from taking it.) I'm not sure whether yours or HotnBOThered would be easier to learn to use - I do have experience in both Java and C#. (I suspect I'll be using Java more in the future, assuming I get the job I just interviewed for this week.) TheRealLurlock (talk) 19:11, 1 February 2013 (GMT)
Yeah, RobinHood70, Alfwyn, and I were discussing that on Wabbajak's talk page. I plan to log User and User talk edits, and require manual confirmation of Template edits. I was updating Userbox Images, which are used almost exclusively in User space. Most of the file moves here on out will rarely include userspace edits. I'd be glad to give you the code to my bot, but right now I'm in the middle of replacing a number of things, plus the GUI needs quite a bit of work, so it might be a little while before it's in any shape to give to you. I'm sure RobinHood70 will give you the code to his bot. And good luck with the job! • JAT 19:18, 1 February 2013 (GMT)
Not that I can offer much insight on the working of bots, but I do know a thing or two about policy. Are you aware that we don't have an official bot policy? It was proposed on the page you linked, but never resolved. As far as I'm aware, you could just ask and have it reviewed based on the merits of your request. Not that I mean to intrude in your conversation, just wanted to make sure you were aware of this. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 19:43, 1 February 2013 (GMT)
To address points from various posters here:
  1. The bot policy is indeed proposed and not final, and I think we should really move to finalize them. Sure, they'll need updating in the future, but at least we'll have something a little more concrete to work with.
  2. Despite being proposed criteria, I'd nevertheless like to see a formal bot proposal rather than just writing to Dave to request bot rights. Almost all other rights changes involve input from the community, and I think that should continue. I don't really anticipate any issues there, as Jak's already taking his bot in a slightly different direction than mine, and I have no doubt that with time, that divide will increase even further, giving each of us a bit of a niche.
  3. Anyone with server access can change group rights, but changing which groups a user belongs to requires database access, and it's a bit of a kludgey process. Since it's something that can easily be done by Bureaucrats on-wiki, I think it goes beyond what's appropriate for server admins to do unless there are extenuating circumstances.
  4. The proposed criteria definitely need some updating. User space edits are something that both RoBoT and HotnBOThered have done in the past, along with Wabbajak now, and I can't imagine doing most of those changes by hand. Perhaps not entirely surprisingly, by far the most common reason for all three bots to edit User space is to rename images, though there are definitely other times when it's appropriate besides that. On a side note, NepheleBot has never done any substantive User space edits because it's geared towards getting game data on pages, not generic bot functions, and I believe that's where the proposed User space restrictions arose from.
  5. Pretty sure I sent TRL a copy of my bot code a while ago when I sent it to a few of the coders around the wiki. If not, just ask. As far as learning goes, my bot has a range of coding levels in it, since I was learning C# as I went, and I hadn't been doing much coding in any language in the years prior. At this point, it's moderately well structured, but definitely a mess in some places. As far as which one would be good to learn from, it really depends on coding style. Plus, the low level work in my bot is done by a bot framework which isn't mine, so depending what level of code you want to look at, you may be dealing with different coding styles.
Robin Hood  (talk) 20:49, 1 February 2013 (GMT)

Making a prompt generator from your name generator[edit]

G'day Jak, firstly, my compliments to you on your name generator script. Very cool! I have been trying to implement a "prompt generator" based on your name generator. When writing fan fiction, a prompt is sometimes helpful to overcome writer's block. Just a single word, like the name of a place, or an item, or a person, may be sufficient to re-energize a writer's mojo. That is what I'm trying to do by creating a copy of your name generator script and modifying it. These are the files I am working on...

The thing is, I can't get it to show my content on the PromptGenerator page. It always shows your content whenever I have your namegenerator.js in my monobook.js, and if it is not there the page just displays the default content, "You're reading this because you haven't enabled this Javascript applet!"

To try to remedy this myself, I have tried the following...

  • importing my own promptgenerator.js properly into my monobook.js
  • disabling your namegenerator.js from my monobook.js
  • renaming the HTML <td> element nameGen_allContent on the page, to promptGen_allContent, and the associated document.getElementById("nameGen_allContent") line in the script, to document.getElementById("promptGen_allContent")
  • I even tried renaming the function names onPageLoad() and loadGUI()

Nothing that I have tried so far will force my HTML content to be injected into the page instead of yours. I'd really appreciate some advice on this, if you have the time to take a look at it. Would this have anything to do with the location of my Javascript script? Would having it located within the root of my userspace, rather than one subdirectory removed, be helpful? Darictalk 03:09, 6 February 2013 (GMT)

For those of you who watch my talk page, I'm just letting you know that this has been taken care of, on IRC. • JAT 08:45, 6 February 2013 (GMT)
Thanks for your help on this Jak. My script is now working perfectly since your added input to it. I have added a lot of data to it tonight, and I'll keep adding more over time. The links are working great, too. Once it is done, this could be used for more than just fan fiction writers. For instance, I've been working on the Places data tonight, and I could just imagine using the random generator to set a random destination for my in-game character to travel to. Of course, to make that work effectively, I'll need to be able to filter the places data by a particular game. No point sending my Skyrim character to Stros M'Kai, for instance!
Your script was a great springboard for mine, and I really appreciate the effort that you put into your Name Generator. Darictalk 09:47, 6 February 2013 (GMT)
Thanks for having this discussion, as I had no idea that this little gem even existed. BTW, generating a 20 syllable Bosmer name and trying to pronounce it is way more fun than it should be. --Xyzzy Talk 14:37, 6 February 2013 (GMT)


Thanks for helping with the High Res Pack icon, it was driving me absolutely nuts. I tried purging, but it still didn't work. Must be slow moving pipes or something. :p --Dorsal Axe (talk) 13:39, 9 February 2013 (GMT)

If it was between these two edits, it was due to variables not saving and it affected several templates (and the pages which used them) on the wiki. Purging wouldn't have worked during that time, even though it normally does. So if it was during that time, it was just unlucky timing. — ABCface? 17:06, 9 February 2013 (GMT)

Another Bot run please?[edit]

Jak, may I have another data fetching run? Same thing as last time, but with this category to be put in User:Eric Snowmane/Doht. If I keep doing a dozen or so images a day like I've done today and plan to do the next handful of days, I'll be done in a week, give or take a day or so, and I'd like a second list on standby. Thanks! Jo'Sakhar (talk) 06:39, 13 February 2013 (GMT)

Sure, I can get that. • JAT 06:52, 13 February 2013 (GMT)

RegEx Help[edit]

Hey Jak, I came up with (?<!{{.*)\|\w*?=(?!.*}}) With the test page given (Morrowind:Mudcrab_Merchant) it captured everything but the |place= portion on the |loc= line, and it also ignored the |loc=....its closer, but not quite exactly it. Some editing to make this Java ready may be necessary. ?????????? 09:34, 13 February 2013 (GMT) Edit: Had to fix wiki nomming regex as code.... ?????????? 09:35, 13 February 2013 (GMT)

Jak, through some more testing using (?<!{{.*)\|\w*?= will work, at least for the example. However, if for some reason a {{}} pair after an = sign is spread over multiple lines, it won't work. That said, I doubt anything here will be like that, especially in the cases you seem to want to work on.
If all else fails, I can assist you with a parser function to extract |...= pairs. ?????????? 09:49, 13 February 2013 (GMT)
You may also want to take a look through Rpeh's talk page archives back around...February or March 2010, I think? While they were .NET RegExs, so I don't know how well the syntax holds up, we discussed a couple of different options that may give you some ideas, ranging from fairly straight-forward to fairly complex. You probably don't want the one I'm currently using—it works great, with one exception, but it's nightmarishly complex. The exception is when it runs into mismatched {{ or }}'s, at least .NET's RegEx parser gets lost and never returns (though the newest versions allow you to set a timeout). Robin Hood  (talk) 09:58, 13 February 2013 (GMT)
After some discussion on the IRC, I've determined that using a parser function would be best, because there's one thing that regex can't handle - multiple templates. As parsing will be necessary (and by all indications, the regex required to obtain the variable would be exceedingly complex), I may as well just use a parser. I'm going to try and write one myself first, because I like to have my code be entirely written by me, if I can help it :D • JAT 19:22, 13 February 2013 (GMT)
The solution I went with was to use a RegEx to find the template, but then some really horrendous parsing (cuz I suck at parsing) to extract the parameter names and values into a collection. I later added the characters surrounding the pipe and equals into what gets stored so that I can easily make new parameters that follow the formatting of nearby parameters. The RegEx portion relies on look-behind functionality, though, which Java's RegEx may not have. Robin Hood  (talk) 21:41, 13 February 2013 (GMT)


Take care of your priorities, Jak. We want the long-term achiever (however you define it) and the friend and contributor doing well for a long time. You're always here. :D Oh. Move this to the right place someone? --JR (talk) 08:32, 19 February 2013 (GMT)


Is Wabbajak read for his first big job? Can I give him a job yet? Can I? Can I? PLEASE?!?!? Jeancey (talk) 04:32, 20 February 2013 (GMT)

You managed to catch me during the short time that I check the wiki. It depends on the job, though it's not so much about whether or not Wabbajak can do it as it is whether or not I'll have the time and how long you'll be willing to wait. What do you need? • JAT 04:38, 20 February 2013 (GMT)
Moving all the morrowind icons to the correct format and updating the links :) Jeancey (talk) 04:49, 20 February 2013 (GMT)

new user[edit]

Hi jak... my name is mitchell and I am a new user to uesp.. I am a massive skyrim fan and I play xbox. I would like to become an experienced user of this site. I would be very gratefull if you woukd help me get started... (Mitchellvheath90 (talk) 21:13, 23 February 2013 (GMT))

Of course! The information that was placed on your talk page is a good place to start. You can also take a look at the Getting Started guide. Feel free to ask if you have any questions! • JAT 21:54, 23 February 2013 (GMT)

creating my page[edit]

I have read the links you sent me and I am still confused,, I am trying to create my own page, like the one you and other users have got.. if you could give me more detailed insructions it would be most appreciated...Mitchellvheath90 (talk) 22:24, 23 February 2013 (GMT)

First, click on the link to your page, User:Mitchellvheath90. Once there, just enter what you want into the edit window; hit the "Show preview" button to see your changes, and when you're done, hit "Save page". If you want to spice up your userpage, check out UESPWiki:Userboxes. They can be added by adding {{User XBox}} (or whatever the userbox is that you want). • JAT 22:30, 23 February 2013 (GMT)

Spam filter exception[edit]

Could you (or anyone reading this, with permissions) add this to the filter exceptions, since it's on templates? Thanks. Vely?t?e 04:31, 26 February 2013 (GMT)

Didn't even think about that link. Thanks for pointing it out! I updated the filter to allow this link. • JAT 05:12, 26 February 2013 (GMT)

Filter additions[edit]

Hey could you add "outlet store" to the spam filters been having a lot of bots with that in their messages last week or two. Lord Eydvar Talk|Contribs 06:00, 2 March 2013 (GMT)

Added, thanks. • JAT 09:18, 2 March 2013 (GMT)
Hey again, just noticed a lot of the recent spam bots are also using "My Name:" which doesn't come up on any legit pages in the form, the 2 words followed by the : so I think it should be fine to add to the filters. Lord Eydvar Talk|Contribs 06:54, 7 March 2013 (GMT)
And, like I pointed out in IRC, while I know f- all about the fancy filters, that strikes me as something common enough that it would turn out to be an issue some day, and I think it's a bad idea to post. Just my opinion though. Let's hear Jak's thought. ES(talkemail) 06:59, 7 March 2013 (GMT)
I agree with Snowmane, that is too generic of a phrase to block, because there is a legitimate usage for it. For instance, look at Daveh's user page - it's one word away from saying "My Name:". Another common thing that spammers use are <ul> and <li> tags instead of regular bulleted lists, but that's something with a legitimate usage as well. • JAT 16:12, 7 March 2013 (GMT)

name generator thingy[edit]

hey Jak,as you probably know (since i told you) i have been using your name generator and i was just wondering,what is the template for it and is it possible to turn templates like this into their own programs

Joshthenesnerd11 (talk) 00:09, 4 March 2013 (GMT)

Can't Reenter Chat[edit]

Well, the chat's apparently not letting me reenter since I refreshed (as in, there's no prompt to type in my name when the page loads). So...don't know when it'll show for me again, but I'll be back when it does.

SoulofChrysamere (talk) 20:24, 7 March 2013 (GMT)

Try again. We were having problems, but Daveh fixed it. • JAT 20:37, 7 March 2013 (GMT)

Spam filter 2[edit]

This one. You changed it over a week ago to apply to any autoconfirmed users, but since then, there's been a lot more spam popping up. Even with a number of false positives, legitimate users are very likely to ignore the warning and post anyway, while spammers tend to stop with just the warning. As was discussed sometime in the past on the AN, a lot of spam accounts are autoconfirmed based on email.

I think it would be better to reverse the permissions. Either that or make email not count towards becoming autoconfirmed. Vely?t?e 01:35, 13 March 2013 (GMT)

Thanks for pointing that out. You're right, a few false positives here and there isn't as bad as letting spammers through. As I have no control over the email verification, I just reverted my change. The handful of people that post links will unfortunately just have to live with it. • JAT 04:16, 13 March 2013 (GMT)
More filter things: Filter 4: "Chanel" should be changed to "chanel bags" and/or "coco chanel" because of this chick, I think. I know we occasionally get Japanese spam on here, and there's one I just saw that could be added, but I don't know how the filter takes Japanese script and whether we want to add it: ?????? (coco chanel) or just ???? (chanel). Also, the warning that displays for this filter says you can click submit again to make the edit, but the filter disallows the edit anyway, so it's incorrect. Vely?t?e 21:59, 15 March 2013 (GMT)

Prodded Icons[edit]

Hey Jak, I was just looking at some prodded images, and I'm curious about these Morrowind looks like the ones starting with "Tx" are unused, but the rest are still being used on two or more pages. Did Wabbajak misbehave, or do I need more coffee maybe? eshetalk 13:35, 13 March 2013 (GMT)

No, that was me misbehaving. The potion ones were being used by the {{Bev}} and {{Pot}} templates, both of which I just fixed. The rest of the icons can go. • JAT 15:03, 13 March 2013 (GMT)

Template question[edit]

Any idea why certain parts of this template are showing on the page and how to get rid of them? Jeancey (talk) 01:03, 15 March 2013 (GMT)

It's because you forgot to add <includeonly> tags. Without them, the text will display on the actual page. Remember, though, to include all of the template, including all of the {{#define}} stuff, or otherwise it'll get messed up. • JAT 01:10, 15 March 2013 (GMT)
Thanks, I can't believe I didn't see that. I didn't edit the template at all, just the documentation, and I couldn't figure out why it was doing that lol Jeancey (talk) 01:16, 15 March 2013 (GMT)


Hey we are having an issue on IRC, could you get on pretty quickly? Thanks! Jeancey (talk) 14:57, 15 March 2013 (GMT)

Sorry, I'm walking out the door right now, and can't get on for the next few hours. • JAT 15:03, 15 March 2013 (GMT)
That's ok, Magical Eshe fixed it :) Jeancey (talk) 15:04, 15 March 2013 (GMT)
*sings* Oh! Well I never was there ever a cat so clever as magical Mr. Mistoffelees meeee! eshetalk 15:20, 15 March 2013 (GMT)

When you've got a minute...[edit]

...any chance you could give some input on my latest userspace templating project? It is not a priority, just when you have a bit of time and feel inclined to mess about with {{#listsaved}} in user space. Thanks. Darictalk 12:49, 16 March 2013 (GMT)

Don't worry about this, Jak. I had a bit of help from Robin Hood, and it is all sorted now. In the end I didn't use {{#listsaved}}, so that is still something for me to mash my head around, with a slice of lemon, at some other time. Darictalk 17:34, 20 March 2013 (GMT)

Shout Summary issue[edit]

When you have a moment, can you just have a quick peek at this discussion and make sure that the changes I made aren't breaking anything else? I opened all the shouts up, and they all look fine, but I haven't done a lot of work with our various Dragon Language templates, so I thought I should check with you to be on the safe side. Robin Hood  (talk) 01:56, 22 March 2013 (GMT)

jQuery Issues[edit]

Hey Jak, taking this to your talk page, since most of the other sidebar issues are organizational, where this is technical and seems to be cluttering up the discussion. I just tried a change to my common.js file based on this, and that at least gets my HnB link back up, but there are other things like the addsince that I can't get to work no matter what I do. I suspect it's some anomaly of how jQuery works or something. Hopefully, that gives you a little more to go on. It's possible it's just a change in how jQuery works, but why that would only take effect after your sidebar changes is beyond me. Robin Hood  (talk) 17:51, 24 March 2013 (GMT)


Since you got Morrowind :P MWOP. Just saying. :P Jeancey (talk) 22:11, 25 March 2013 (GMT)


For some reason, the "collapse compress" style in MediaWiki:Common.css isn't taking effect at all. Playing around in my own Common.css page, some of it seems to be taking effect with the !important rules added in, but some of it, like the border, is still being overridden. Any ideas? Robin Hood  (talk) 05:16, 29 March 2013 (GMT)

Are you referring to collapsed or compress? (I presume it's the second). I've never seen that class used before on the wiki, so let's see what it looks like:
Names for
Chico Fabio
Bingo Harpo
Names for
Chico Fabio
Bingo Harpo
It doesn't look different at all, which is the problem. I'll pop on my other computer and see if I can find the problem. • JAT 17:59, 29 March 2013 (GMT)
Sorry, I skimmed and just noticed your second sentence. It's supposed to look like this:
Names for
Chico Fabio
Bingo Harpo
I didn't do all the formatting, but you get the takes out the horizontal borders and really reduces the space between cells so that they look almost like a single cell. It used to be in use on the A/N a while ago to make a much shorter archive table, then we changed to collapsed instead. Robin Hood  (talk) 18:20, 29 March 2013 (GMT)
Yep, I see what you're talking about... something else that defines the border rules must be using an !important as well. It'll be a short while before I can get to my main computer (which has all of my debugging tools), so give me an hour or so and I should have an answer. • JAT 18:38, 29 March 2013 (GMT)
I found the problem. Wow, do I feel retarded. We were trying to remove the border on a bunch of sub-elements of <td>, instead of removing it on the <td> itself. You can see how I fixed it here. • JAT 20:33, 29 March 2013 (GMT)
Now I'm feeling retarded for not noticing the "p" on the first one. I just saw the "td" and read right past the "p". This makes me wonder if I'm misremembering what the "compress" style looked like. I'm thinking we should probably just fix the spacing (add !important to the padding changes) and leave it at that. Robin Hood  (talk) 23:05, 29 March 2013 (GMT)

() while you two learned templating scholars are discussing such things, I might just hijak the thread to ask, do either of you know how to make a collapsible table look like a TOC table? You can probably see what I'm trying to achieve on my Userspace Layout template, in the left column. I'd like those two collapsible tables to look similar to the TOC that will appear above them. Any suggestions? I'm not great with CSS, but can struggle my way through. Daric 03:26, 30 March 2013 (GMT)

Transcluding Images[edit]

How would I be able to set images to not transclude if the page they are being transcluded to is in a certain category? I think I should be able to use a Switch Parser Function but I don't know the code for using that, if I even can use that. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Ad Intellige Mecum loqui 03:12, 4 April 2013 (GMT)

I don't think that's possible, unfortunately, because you'd have to be able to detect a page's category, which templates can't do. You could, however, set a variable on the page, which a template can read, or have it be dependent on the page's title. For the former, it'd look like this:
{{#if:{{{nodisplayimage|}}}||...display image...}}
{{Template}} <!-- Won't actually display the images -->
For the latter, it'd look like this:
{{#if:{{#pos:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|<whatever page title you want>}}|<display image>}}
If you're doing this in userspace, then use whatever method you like. However, I'm not sure how well this would work elsewhere. You could potentially #define nodisplayimage as a list of images that you don't want to display, and then have the template loop through and hide those particular images, but that gets pretty tricky. • JAT 03:25, 4 April 2013 (GMT)
Hmm... That seems like it would be a pain to do for pages such as Man and Mer. Would you be willing to perhaps make a template that could do the former so I can try it out? -- Ad Intellige Mecum loqui 03:44, 4 April 2013 (GMT)
Okay, I see what you're trying to do. I've been meaning to do another related change on those pages, so I'll take care of it real quick. • JAT 04:16, 4 April 2013 (GMT)
Hm, it isn't working as it should be. The {{Place Link}} template works exactly the same way as I changed it (I literally copied it), but for whatever reason it flat-out refuses to work. I'll have to experiment more. • JAT 05:06, 4 April 2013 (GMT)

Namespace question[edit]

One of your filter edits involved namespaces. Do we have a list of which number each namespace is somewhere? I went hunting down numbers and apparently got the wrong ones. I specifically need OB and OB:Talk for filter 8. Thanks! Vely?t?e 03:13, 10 April 2013 (GMT)

The namespace numbers were correct, but you had a logic error. You were checking if the namespace isn't OB or the namespace isn't OB talk. This means that if it is OB, then it will return true, because it isn't OB talk (the second part of the condition). I changed it to and, so it now reads "Return true if the namespace isn't OB and if the namespace isn't OB talk". • JAT 03:57, 10 April 2013 (GMT)
To answer your question about the list of namespaces, there are several ways to do it. Probably the most intuitive one is to find a page, like Recent Changes, that has a dropdown list of all the namespaces, then just look at the HTML source code for it. (Do a find on something like "Tribunal talk"...there aren't usually any mentions other than the ID/namespace list itself.) Alternatively, you can click here. That's more convenient, but I still have to look up the specifics every time I go to write an API query, so I won't say it's intuitive by any stretch. It gives you a bit more info, though, like which namespaces support true subpages vs. faked ones, and which namespaces count as content. Robin Hood  (talk) 04:54, 10 April 2013 (GMT)
Thanks to both of you! Vely?t?e 18:29, 10 April 2013 (GMT)

Race images[edit]

So... apparently we already have a template for this, {{ImageForNamespace}}. We apparently made it MUCH more complicated than it needed to be? Or am I misunderstanding the use of this template? Jeancey (talk) 18:30, 12 April 2013 (GMT)

Can you get on IRC[edit]

Hey! Can you get on IRC? There is something I need to discuss with you, and I can't do it on the wiki :) Thanks! Jeancey (talk) 00:03, 15 April 2013 (GMT)

OblivionBox template[edit]

Heya Jak, just wondering if you've gotten round to doing the OblivionBox template yet? :) -helenaanne  talk ? 01:26, 19 April 2013 (GMT)

Sorry, not yet. I've been a bit wiki... eh lately. Thanks for the reminder, though. I should be able to work on it soon. • JAT 23:22, 19 April 2013 (GMT)

Invitation to join a translating team.[edit]

Please help us translate this
Dear Jak Atackka,

You are invited to join a team that will be attempting to translate the unknown language on the Word Wall in the 6th Chapter of the Black Book Waking Dreams, the Word Wall that gives the third word ( D3V ) of the Dragon Aspect shout. There are strange, moving words behind the Dragon Language text on the Wall, written in an unrecognisable language. The Dragon Language part of the Word Wall has already been translated. It is the moving words in the unrecognisable language that this project hopes to translate.

This project will be happening in my sandbox, which is open to collaboration by invited team members. The talk page of the sandbox is open to other contributors as well. I hope to see you get involved in the project. I have hand-picked you because you may have previously been involved in Elder Scrolls language translations in the past on the wiki, particularly if you worked on the Magic Script Alphabet or the Elder Alphabet pages.

Visit my sandbox Veh here.

Kind regards,
Daric Gaersmith

User-Daric Gaersmith-gaerleg navtitle.png

Daric 12:27, 23 April 2013 (GMT)

This user graciously accepts the invitation. - Jak Atackka
JAT 20:44, 23 April 2013 (GMT)
Thanks for the tweak, Jak. I couldn't work out where that ugly white line came from. Daric 22:46, 23 April 2013 (GMT)

Spammy spam links[edit]

Filter 2. I don't know why it's not tagging edits as links. I saw a recent spam edit--it was a userpage, and it involved links. It showed up as a positive match when testing against recent edits, but did not show even a warning in the log. I don't remember what was decided on that, if it was just weird or a mystery? Vely?t?e 04:12, 26 April 2013 (GMT)

It's been doing that a lot. I don't know why. I'm tempted to contact the makers of AbuseFilter to find out. • JAT 04:19, 26 April 2013 (GMT)
I'm wondering if it only applies to newly created pages? Vely?t?e 04:21, 26 April 2013 (GMT)
I'm not sure, possibly. Looking at the documentation, though, it doesn't look like AbuseFilter differentiates between edits and page creations. • JAT 04:42, 26 April 2013 (GMT)
Can you guys point me to a few of these edits that are bypassing the filters, please? I remember noticing a while ago that some user creations seemed to be bypassing the CheckUser logs, and I was just looking at some of Nephele's code, and noticed that she mentioned some odd edits that are missing certain data as well. I'd like to see if I can pin this down, or even if I can't, if they're all exhibiting the same behaviours or if it looks like separate issues. Thanks! Robin Hood  (talk) 23:16, 26 April 2013 (GMT)
Most of these edits are marked as spam on sight, but I'll point some your way if they pop up. • JAT 23:18, 26 April 2013 (GMT)

() It's happening with other edits, too, not just links. Just saw a userpage that mentioned "penis" and "my webpage", along with a link, and it was not marked or caught by the filters. Vely?t?e 03:34, 8 May 2013 (GMT)

I figured out both problems, or at least I believe I have. Neither CheckUser nor AbuseFilter were enabled on the mobile version of the wiki. There are some other things that aren't enabled as well, but since I don't have a phone to test, I don't know what might be inappropriate for mobile use (e.g., too big on-screen, requires Java, too much data transfer, etc.), so I've left everything else untouched for now. Let me know if you see anything getting past our filters from this point forward. Robin Hood  (talk) 18:01, 9 May 2013 (GMT)

Sidebar help[edit]

Can you please show me how to edit my sidebar to put it back the way it was before we implemented the collapsible sidebar site-wide. I prefer to have mine expanded. Thanks. --Xyzzy Talk 04:07, 9 May 2013 (GMT)

Sorry it took me so long to respond. Try adding this to your monobook.js page:
    ModifySidebar("clear", "sections");
    ModifySidebar("add",   "sections",  "Lore",                "");
    ModifySidebar("add",   "sections",  "Books",               "");
    ModifySidebar("add",   "sections",  "Elder Scrolls Online","");
    ModifySidebar("add",   "sections",  "Skyrim",              "",
                                        "Dawnguard",           "",
                                        "Hearthfire",          "",
                                        "Dragonborn",          "",
                                        "Other DLC",           "");
    ModifySidebar("add",   "sections",  "Oblivion",            "",
                                        "Knights of the Nine", "",
                                        "Shivering Isles",     "",
                                        "Other DLC",           "");
    ModifySidebar("add",   "sections",  "Morrowind",           "",
                                        "Tribunal",            "",
                                        "Bloodmoon",           "",
                                        "Other DLC",           "");
    ModifySidebar("add",   "sections",  "Daggerfall",          "");
    ModifySidebar("add",   "sections",  "Arena",               "");
I took this from Daric Gaersmith's monobook.js file. The spacing isn't necessary at all - I just did it so it would be somewhat clear what each part is. You can tweak this however you want, but the above should give you an idea where to start. • JAT 04:58, 12 May 2013 (GMT)
Thanks for your help, and please don't apologize for the delay in replying. I know you're busy with real-life obligations. I was able to copy/paste the lines I want on my sidebar, but I can't seem to get it to stop collapsing. Is there a javascript command I need to add to prevent that, or should that have been removed by the "clear" in the first line? --Xyzzy Talk 06:17, 12 May 2013 (GMT)
Thanks Jak, I just copied your re-spaced copy of my code back to my own monobook.js as your layout is definitely superior. Xyzzy, in order to use these modifications, you need to add importScript('UESPWiki:Javascript/modifysidebar.js'); to your monobook.js as well, otherwise it won't work, as you have already experienced. The ModifySidebar() function is located within modifysidebar.js, so you either need to link to it as I have done, or copy the entire modifysidebar.js code into your monobook.js, as some people have done. Daric 22:56, 13 May 2013 (GMT)
Thanks for the assist, Daric, but nothing seems to be able to change my sidebar. I've tried many different things to no avail. Do either of you know if maybe there is a preference option that I need to change to get these changes to take affect? I looked through them and unchecked the "Neaten up toolbar..." thingy, but that didn't help. --Xyzzy Talk 04:34, 14 May 2013 (GMT)
Okay, I wasn't sure about this before, but it is worth a try. Jak gave you a list of commands to execute from within your monoboook.js file. I've never seen them executed just like that before. Normally they would form part of a function call, rather than be separate instructions. If you were to wrap all those ModifySidebar() commands inside a function, give it any name you like, then execute that function with a addOnloadHook() statement, that should work. The end result should look something like this...
function dothis() {
    ModifySidebar("clear",    "sections");
    ModifySidebar("add",      "sections",  "Lore",                "");
    ModifySidebar("add",      "sections",  "Arena",               "");

Daric 05:54, 14 May 2013 (GMT)

() Ah ha! That did it. Thanks, Daric. --Xyzzy Talk

Derp. I had assumed that you already were using ModifySidebar. My mistake! :P • JAT 15:04, 14 May 2013 (GMT)