Skyrim talk:Vahlok the Jailor

Vahlok's mask is missing

Whenever I defeated Vahlok, I searched his corpse (of course), but was surprised to find no mask. I reloaded a previous save and re-defeated him, but still found no mask. Is there one missing, or does he just not have one? Light-in-His-Eyes 13:22, December 7 2012

He doesnt have one --Jimeee (talk) 18:25, 7 December 2012 (GMT)

Is it possible, that his mask is actually Konahrik, the only mask without a master in skyrim.Penuser (talk) 15:09, 3 September 2013 (GMT)

There is nothing in the game or game files to indicate this, and therefore any further discussion regarding this sort of theory or speculation belongs on the forums rather than on the wiki. — ABCface^◥ 22:52, 3 September 2013 (GMT)

Name

The name of the NPC is actually "Vahlok the Jailor." The page should probably be moved to that. Jeancey (talk) 22:41, 7 December 2012 (GMT)

Done. --Alfwyn (talk) 22:46, 7 December 2012 (GMT)

It seems to be (in my version at least) Jailer, not Jailor. --Enodoc (talk) 19:41, 3 January 2013 (GMT)

That's odd. Game data has an o rather than an e (at least for the baseID listed on the page), so I'm not sure why that would be the case. Anyway, it wouldn't hurt to create a redirect with that spelling, so I'll go ahead and make one. — ABCface^◥ 21:14, 3 January 2013 (GMT)

There are both spellings in the game data. The o one for an NPC, and the e one for a MESG (xx01ce5c) that gets used to rename the boss for the Lost Legacy quest. Not sure what to make of that. --Alfwyn (talk) 21:50, 3 January 2013 (GMT)

Okay, that makes sense then. They do that MESG renaming thing all over the place in this game. Thanks for that info, Alfwyn. For now, I'll change the category for the redirect from the 'misspellings' one to the 'alternative names' one. I'll try to check into how it works in gameplay this weekend, seeing which spelling appears in which situation, etc. — ABCface^◥ 22:37, 3 January 2013 (GMT)

(←) Did the quest three times, and got Vahlok the Jailer every time. When he dies, you loot his remains from an ash pile, and I'm not sure when you might see the other spelling. I don't know if the tomb respawns, but I'll try and see later if it does, and if so, check on how he appears then. — ABCface^◥ 09:09, 13 January 2013 (GMT)

This "jailor" is probably more of a mispelling than an intended spelling. As in terms of etymology, if a "doer" is formed with English verbs, it will be "-er". Vice versa, that formed by a Latin verb will make "-or", and the exact same word will be found in Latin, like Doctor (teacher), Inspector (in + seer), Gladiator (sword-player). If "Jailor" does not exist in Latin, then there will not be such a valid word in English, and "jail" is never a verb in both languages. So I would vote for making the page "Jailer" if both spellings are found in the game and remaining the current name if "Jailor" is the only word found. -Joshua.yathin.yu (talk) 16:43, 8 April 2013 (GMT)

We actually use American English spellings of words rather than international spellings on this wiki. When deciding how to spell something in an article title, we usually spell it the way it's spelled in-game, even if it seems like a typo. You can read more about general rules for spelling here. Hope this helps! ThuumofReason (talk) 16:59, 8 April 2013 (GMT)

Bethesda have used Jailor before, in Oblivion. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 18:04, 8 April 2013 (GMT)

I never come to a conclusion that "jailor" is American. Most dictionaries suggest "jailer" as the common spelling while "jailor" is a variant. And I agree that we should use names that match the game's usage. That is why I voted for using "jailor" if it is the only spelling found in the game and using "jailer" if both spellings are found. -Joshua.yathin.yu (talk) 18:09, 9 April 2013 (GMT)

Traitor and "Just" Ruler

It seems that the Dragons, themselves, would be the ones who considered Vahlok to be a Just Ruler and a righteous guardian because Miraak was a "traitor" against the Dragons, specifically. I think this story is actually derived from [or is a form of] pro-dragon propaganda since it shows the Dragon's Champion, Vahlok, defeating the wizard who rebelled against the Dragons. 50.239.107.122 19:20, 9 January 2020 (GMT)