Lore talk:Maormer

Maormer Appearance

An anon recently changed 'They have pale, almost chameleon-like skin and yellow eyes.' to 'They have colorless white skin and blank yellow eyes.'. While I agree that, if we have an appearance for them (see below), something needs to be changed, as 'chameleon-like' seems off for simple pale skin, and implies that they can change colors, I'm not sure if one can have 'colorless white' skin, since white is a color, nor am I certain as to what exactly 'blank' refers to in this context - is it their expression, or an implication of featurelessness, as in a lack of pupils/whites?

Also, the only reference provided for them is the PGE, which seems to contain no information at all on their appearance, so where did we get either description of them from? If we don't have a source for it, it should probably be something like 'The exact appearance of the Maormer is unknown, though presumably they bear similarities to other varieties of elf.', rather than something that we can't be certain of the origins of...--Ghurhak gro-Demril _{or TAO}^Yes? 03:34, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm thinking that the intention there is "white" as in "ivory" rather than "Caucasian", which isn't really white though we call it that. Can't speak as to the source for this, but if their skin is indeed ivory white (rather than the peach color we call "white" in the real world), then simply saying "white" would be insufficient. We'd need to know the source of that statement. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 03:49, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Found the source. It is Pocket Guide to the Empire, 1st Edition/The Wild Region. It reads,

"They are known to possess a strange, chameleon-like skin, an involuntary process that is similar to the forest-coupling skills of the Bosmer."

It doesn't mention anything about them having yellow eyes, though. I removed the note about yellow eyes temporarily until we can find a source. • JA^Talk 05:08, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I tweaked the wording a bit, since the PGE1 doesn't say anything about their skin color, as such, so for all we know it could (and considering that the Dunmer have charcoal grey skin, the Argonians are green, and the Altmer are gold, it's not necessarily unlikely) be navy blue, rather than pale, but that seems to be the best compromise for now.--Ghurhak gro-Demril _{or TAO}^Yes? 08:32, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Also, having just gone through the history of the page, the bit about yellow eyes and such was added by a user last active in 2007, so unfortunately we can't ask them what source they got the information from. I'll go check their talk page, just in case the source was brought up there instead of here for some reason, but it's looking like this is going to end up with us trawling through Lorespace.--Ghurhak gro-Demril _{or TAO}^Yes? 08:40, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

(←) "The men aboard were not merely pale, they were entirely colorless, as if their flesh were made of some white limpid jelly, but she had been forewarned. At the arrival of the King and his translator, she looked directly into their blank eyes and offered her hand." - The Wolf Queen, v4, referring to people from Pyandonea

Hope this helps a bit. -- kertaw48 10:21, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

It helps quite a bit; we now know that they are in fact pale, and with blank eyes, though the yellow bit is still unsourced, so I'm leaning towards that being an error - one would think that it would be 'blank yellow eyes', or something of the sort, there, not just blank, since that would be rather unusual.--Ghurhak gro-Demril _{or TAO}^Yes? 21:47, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

So are they gone?

The article lists their last appearance when they were crushed while invading the Summerset Isle, but are we talking extinct? I mean I would presume they didn't bring their entire population on an invasion, so it stands to reason that they should still be around on Pyandonea barring something we don't know about in the lore. I feel like the article doesn't touch on that and instead makes it sound like they're extinct. 174.130.36.62 17:51, 5 October 2013 (GMT)

They aren't confirmed to be extinct, from my knowledge for lore. I also don't think the article makes it sound like hey are extinct, it merely says that after that battle they could not muster another attack. There are a ton of races in the ES universe that are confirmed to exist, but just aren't interacted with that much. The Maormer fall into this category. It's also worth noting that the article words the part about them being defeated in such a way that it even makes sure to point out the ambiguity of the situation: "It was said that the storm brewed by the Psijic of Artaeum so annihilated Orgnum's fleet that he was never again able to muster together enough of a force to dare another battle." Note that the bold text clearly denotes that their fate is unclear, as the Pocket Guide to the Empire treats it. With that said, I don't see a need for a change to this article. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 19:03, 5 October 2013 (GMT)

Ognum

Maormer feature in quite a few of the zones in ESO, and none of them appear to be less by him. (They barely mention him, if at all). Would it be fair to call that statement into question, then? Timeoin (talk) 22:24, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

No. Though the pocket guides are in themselves already disreputable, there would need to be actual contrary evidence (or something very compelling) to the statement to render it untrue, not just a lack of supporting evidence. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 23:01, 26 January 2018 (UTC)