User talk:Pickle

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Tons of small edits

I see you're making tons of the same small edits to NPC pages as we speak. It's kind of a pain to patrol all those edits, but anyway I just wanted to point out that this work can be done by a bot (or at least, I think it can), which would save all of us time. You should ask rpeh if you see anything like that that needs to be done to many pages, I believe that's the best thing you can do. Still though, good job. ~ Dwarfmp 07:53, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry... I'm trying to fix the Morrowind NPC pages beginning format and I agree it's taking a lot of small edits. I don't know anything about bots though or how to (possibly?) make them.

Again, I'm sorry because I'm probably flooding the Recent Changes. --Pickle 07:56, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh no, making bots is for pros. But rpeh has a bot, he may be able to make that bot do all the stuff you're doing now (although it may be a bit tricky, if I have any idea on how it would be written). Well since you're doing everything now, and writing a task for a bot would take some time, I suppose it's best to just keep going. Yes the pages needing to be patrolled is a pain, but it's for a good cause. Keep up the good work. ~ Dwarfmp 08:37, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I suppose it's clogging up the Recent Changes, but once I finish, each Morrowind NPC page won't have it's own unique (Usually bad) format. I also searched bots right after I posted before and I doubt a bot would be able to easily do what I'm doing since each page is different and some need links/don't need links and some need to be lowercased/stay the same... --Pickle 08:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

What exactly are you changing? Some of the links are still going to the same page i.e. Morrowind:Alchemist Service goes to Morrowind:Alchemist but you changed it here mxk101^Talk 08:44, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Well I'm trying to follow a general format and because of that I'm linking the class to the class it specifies (It was under the class of Alchemist Service...) If I'm doing something wrong, I can change what I'm editing... Also, quite a few of the pages already were like that so it's either one or the other. --Pickle 08:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I thought you were trying to link the classes to the class page where every major and minor skill is described. But as Mxk101 has said, some edits you simply changed the link, but still redirects to the same page it was linked to, and you even just swap those two (whenever it's services you remove the services, and when it's not, you add it) for some reason. What's up with that? ~ Dwarfmp 09:36, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

When did I ever remove it? Can you provide a link... Also to answer your first question, I mean the class that is listed in the data table.

Update: I did find one, and reverted it, but only one, not all of them...--Pickle 09:38, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

(←) (edit conflict) Oh you haven't Oh only one? I thought I saw one (not likely the one you did), so my bad, quite confused I am. So I see you're trying to link a class to their own specific page, and by the looks of it, not all the classes have their own page. Right? Is that the standard format for Morrowind NPCs? Well if so, it's still weird to adjust links when it doesn't make a difference (unless it's not redirected) ~ Dwarfmp 09:48, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't really understand what you mean by linking to the same page... I'm trying to say that the data table on the right lists the class and I'm trying to match the class in the article link to the data table link (Most are different). If this isn't helping, I can stop, just ask (I'm mostly trying to make sure the classes and race are always linked.) --Pickle 09:55, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Take a look at this edit. I picked that up patrolling your edits... A bot did this, just an example though heh. But I show you this mainly because of the edit it made. So I assume the male/female mentions should be removed? I'm sorry, I'm not on terms with the Morrowind methods, that's why I'm asking these annoying questions :P . Just thought it was important to mention.

Ah I think I understand you (finally, sorry :P). You're matching the links to the table, I see. But you would understand me when you click some of the links you changed: alchemist is the same link as alchemist, though you changed it, that's what I mean. In fact, you changed the right link into a link to a redirect (in those cases at least, check the title above and you'll "(Redirected from Morrowind:Alchemist Service)") ~ Dwarfmp 10:06, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Also, the NPC Summary table seems to be wrong with the Healer class - so all these pages basically needs two changes, one to the text and one to the NPC Summary box - to Morrowind:Classes#Healer. This is a mess. I suggest you take a break until we figure this thing out. Don't want to put you down, but we should probably look into this a bit more before we make too many changes to redirects and overview pages. --Krusty 10:12, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not really sure about the whole male/female thing. The bot probably did that because I found it was also doing something similar to me but skipped most of the pages (RoBoT I think it was). If so, it should be reprogrammed to either put all of those back or remove them (To me, they're not really important). I'm guessing you want me to stop, so I will for now. And now, I also see I'm making redirects so maybe instead, a bot should be made to remove all of them from the articles and data tables. I think they may have been put there to start for some sort of category or sorting reason... Why else?

Sorry, Krusty, I started editing before I could read your post: As I said, I'll stop doing that for now, I just wanted to clean up this place a little. As for adding missing links to classes/races, should I also stop that? --Pickle 10:17, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I have e-mailed rpeh, so hopefully he can shed some light on this - and maybe even make his Bot make some changes along the way. We'll see. As fas as I'm concerned, there's nothing wrong with adding missing class links - to the text and the table - as long as they are the correct ones. Please wait for Rpeh to respond, and then we can get on with it. :) --Krusty 10:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for all the confusion, I hope I didn't mess anything up along the way. For the redirects, I think a bot will do perfect for this, though you should mention to rpeh that I found his bot editing only a few NPC pages and skipping every one or two and sometimes all. This could have been intentional though. Maybe there's a way his bot can also finish adding in the links... --Pickle 10:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with 95% of the edits Pickle has been making. The standard intro these days is "[Name] is a [Race] [class]...", with class in lower case, and that's what he's been doing. I patrolled a few hundred of his edits yesterday and set an old RoBoT task on the job too. Removing ale/female from the text goes back a long way. See the discussion here about gender on NPC pages. As for Alchemist/Alchemist Service, the distinction is that one offers goods for sale and the other doesn't. It makes sense to include the full class description in the infobox, which is a pure information dump, but not in the text where it sounds rather silly. rpeh •T•C•E• 10:44, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh, but there's no point capitalizing links like this. rpeh •T•C•E• 10:44, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

And yes, changes like this aren't necessary either. rpeh •T•C•E• 10:57, 27 June 2011 (UTC)