User talk:Proton

Hello Proton! Welcome to UESPWiki.

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Damage Reduction from Armor

In regards to this change, the reason I put it at 12% is that the way it reads now is ambiguous, and the intuitive way of reading it would look like this, using maximum armor values as an example: (567 + 100) * (0.12%). This produces a value of 0.8 which could be read as 80%, but because it's listed as "Damage Reduction Percentage" rather than "Damage Reduction Multiplier", I take that to be 0.8%, which is incorrect.

The other way of reading it is (567 + 100) * (0.12) as a percent, in which case you do indeed get 80%, but then why say "Damage Reduction Percentage" and add a rather confusing % sign at the end.

See why I changed it? I think something needs to change there one way or another so that it's clear that the above calculation means the damage reduction is 80%, not 0.8%. (See the "Other uses" section of the Wikipedia article if you want a second opinion that calling it a percentage should return 80, not 0.8.) – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 09:07, 26 March 2013 (GMT)

Off-topic, normally when you reply to someone, you should do it on the same page the original subject gets brought up on. People usually add those pages to their watchlist so that they can see any replies, and it keeps the conversation all in one place. Also, templates as signatures aren't allowed directly—instead, you should substitute them. That's done by changing your signature in your preferences to {{subst:User:Proton/Signature}} and then checking the "Treat the above as wiki markup" box.

The thing with the % sign is that, you're right, if you just wrote something like "Damage Reduction Percentage = 5%", that would be correct. As I said above, though, the intuitive reading is that the 0.12% is an entity of its own, which makes the math work out not so well. The other alternative would be to write it as "((displayed armor rating + hidden armor rating) × 0.12)%" but...well...blech! ;) – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 17:11, 26 March 2013 (GMT)

I didn't mean talk pages in general, I was just referring to your own talk page. In other words, you can reply to my message here, since I'm watching your page, and it's easier for everyone to keep track of. You don't need to reply on my own page. (And in fact, as I'm writing this, I notice that Jak has replied on my page, which illustrates the problem: different people are replying in different places, making it a really confusing conversation. Not transcluding signatures is site policy both here and on Wikipedia. The reasons are explained on Wikipedia's page. – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 19:55, 26 March 2013 (GMT)