Skyrim talk:Krosulhah

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No Heart-Scales?[edit]

Does Krosulhah have heart-scales? I was unable to obtain any from him in spite of repeated attempts with the correct implement. 174.6.51.17 04:04, 21 August 2013 (GMT)

No, checking in the CK, Krosulhah doesn't appear to be in the "use info" list for dragon heartscales. — ABCface 00:44, 22 August 2013 (GMT)
I've added a very brief note to that effect to the page, since it's a rare, possibly unique feature. Robinwitch1 (talk) 17:52, 2 December 2013 (GMT)

Serpentine Dragon[edit]

According to the CK, Krosulhah is meant to have appearance of serpentine dragon but a bug prevents this. Should this be note in the page?117.4.10.227 12:41, 22 August 2013 (GMT)

No, the skin is more a placeholder. There is a specific leveled list to use a template for his appearance, limiting his appearance to that of a frost dragon. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 01:19, 18 September 2013 (GMT)
Not entirely correct. Krosulhah's ID is DLC2MQ05Dragon, which uses DLC2lvlMQ05Dragon as template. DLC2MQ05Dragon is marked to use Inventory of DLC2lvlMQ05Dragon, that means Krosulhah would have skin of DLC2lvlMQ05Dragon. DLC2lvlMQ05Dragon uses DLC2MQ05LCharDragonNEW level list as template data (I assume this is the list you mentioned). However, DLC2lvlMQ05Dragon is not marked to use Inventory of DLC2MQ05LCharDragonNEW, meaning it would not change skin based on the dragons in DLC2MQ05LCharDragonNEW list but retain the skin that it is set, which is DLC2DragonBlackBloodFXOutfit - Serpentine skin. Since Krosulhah is set to use the inventory of DLC2lvlMQ05Dragon, it would always have the skin of Serpentine dragon. The problem is with DLC2DragonBlackBloodFXOutfit. All other dragon outfits have 5 objects: 4 blood FX armor objects and 1 skin object. For example, DragonBossSkinOutfit has Dragon_Tundra_BloodHeadFXArmor, Dragon_Tundra_BloodTailFXArmor, Dragon_Tundra_BloodWingLFXArmor, Dragon_Tundra_BloodWingRFXArmor and skinDragonBoss. DLC2DragonBlackBloodFXOutfit however, has only 4 blood FX armor objects and lack the skin object: skinDLC2DragonBlack. This does not cause problem with ordinary Serpentine dragons and Sahrotaar because they don't use template data actor but Krosulhah does, and the outfit does not work properly for him (if you notice, when he is hurt, the blood does not fit his body. It's because the blood FX is of black dragon but skin is of ordinary dragon). One simple test can verify the bug: without changing anything else (i.e: leaving DLC2MQ05Dragon, DLC2lvlMQ05Dragon and DLC2MQ05LCharDragonNEW untouched), simply add skinDLC2DragonBlack to DLC2DragonBlackBloodFXOutfit so that it would be in similar format with other dragon outfits, now Krosulhah would always have the appearance of serpentine dragon.117.4.10.164 16:26, 18 September 2013 (GMT)
Honestly I couldn't follow that. When you follow the templates, the first NPC data fields marked as "is NPC" are all frost dragons, none of what you tried to explain makes me believe any different, or that there is a bug here. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 17:56, 18 September 2013 (GMT)
Look, I'm a modder, not an expert or something but I understand fairly well about how basic things in CK work. And that includes how template actor, leveled character list, or race and skin threshold interact. I understand that my previous post is very difficult to follow and it's my fault to not being able to make myself clear. But what I tried to say is, Krosulhah is not marked to used the skin of dragons in leveled list so it is not supposed to change appearance.
I will now prove to you that there is a bug, here I have a screen shot of injured Krosulhah: yozx.png
As you can see, the blood on his body does not fit him. That means something is WRONG with him (and what's wrong is that the blood FX is of serpentine while his skin is of ordinary dragon)
Another proof is the testing method I mentioned earlier: Make one and only one modification: Adding skinDLC2DragonBlack (armor object) to DLC2DragonBlackBloodFXOutfit (serpentine outfit which is the source of the problem) so that it contains 5 objects like other dragon outfits. I have another image to make it clearer: za57.png
Since this method only changes property of serpentine skin, if what you said is true (that Krosulhah's skin is decided by leveled list which contain no serpentine) then it should not affect Krosulhah at all. But if what I said is true, Krosulhah would have serpentine skin, make sense? Try it to see it.117.4.10.196 12:54, 19 September 2013 (GMT)
I've added it as a bug for now, with the usual vn tag. —Legoless (talk) 19:12, 26 October 2013 (GMT)
I'm on the Unofficial Patch Project team, and I've brought it to the team's attention. It's our determination that Krosulhah was indeed meant to be a serpentine dragon. One template tier in from the final NPC_ form that ends up being placed in the game space shows that he is indeed a serpentine dragon. However, template inheritance has a bug it seems, and incorrectly inherits the traits (specifically the body skin) from the next template tier down, which is a Leveled Character form with three frost dragons in it. It's been queued up as a fix for UDBP: [1] --MadCat221 (talk) 02:45, 10 March 2014 (GMT)