Skyrim talk:Easter Eggs/Archive 2

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HIGH king HROTHAR

In the book Eragon the High King of the dwarfs is named Hrothar, the settlement on the throat of the world may have been named after him

Get On With It

During Roggvir's execution, someone in the crowd yells "Get on with it!" This could be a reference to the movie Monty Python and the holy grail.

Not to sounds like a complete "know it all", but "get on with it!" is an ongoing Monty Python phrase, not just from Holy Grail. Also given the context, I don't think it would be, the person was probably just anxious. As a Python fan I'd love to agree with you though. (70.65.14.149 05:50, 21 November 2011 (UTC))

Seconded Minor Edits 22:30, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Spectral Assassin (Lucien) Risen Again!

When staying around the Spectral Assassin when risen, he may say "I live...Again" Which is said by the protagonist in the same way when he is brought back to life on the old video game "Blood".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZojtXuk_Hk&feature=related

One of the sons in Dragonsreach

Its the eldest one if you listen to him he says I'm not a human I'm a weapon in human form, possibly referring to terminator?

I don't think there's any dialogue similar to that in any of the four Terminator movies. Perhaps the accent is misleading you. Minor Edits 18:40, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Possible reference to River Tam from Firefly/Serenity? (Who was coincidentally played by Summer Glau aka, the Terminator in that franchise's latest television series.)

Calipers

When first speaking with Wylandriah in Riften, a dialog option comes up for "How about using calipers?" to which she replies, "Calipers? That's utterly ridiculous. Maybe long ago, you could just find calipers in every household across Tamriel, but not anymore."

This seems like an obvious fun poke at the omnipresence of calipers in Oblivion's loot system. Just throwing that out there.

I concur

That sounds good. I'll check it in game to see if its true. If it is it should be added.--Ohnoitsmangofett 08:23, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Only references to things outside the TES media go here. Minor Edits 20:37, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't have an account on this, but in Shivering Isles, there was a quest to collect calipers for a guy making a sky boat. Maybe thats where the calipers went?

Headless Horseman

I have encounted him at lots of differnt places, the first being Dragon Bridge whilst following the Breaching Security quest for the dark brotherhood, obviously we all know this is a refernce to The Headless Horseman, anyone disagree? or should i plop it straight in the Easter Eggs>?

I agree--Teol 13:28, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

No. It's not an easter egg any more than the presence of Orcs in the game is an easter egg referring to the Lord of the Rings. Most of the stuff on this page is crap, but that's total crap. Please read the definition of an easter egg. rpeh •T•C•E• 13:32, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

thats over the top rude btw. just to point that out first :), and actually orcs appear in lots of differnt media, the headless horseman is primearlly known for "the sleepy hallows". AND considering that if you follow him he takes you to a mysterious place (just south of bridge) full of skeletons to fight, i'd say it was a cool little easter egg put into grab peoples attention (:

The headless horseman is a lot older than sleepy hollow. Try looking up old Irish dullahan stories. If it is considered an "Easter egg" of Sleepy Hollow, then people should start thinking of fairies and pirates as Easter eggs from Peter Pan.

Whether its a reference to the Sleepy Hollows Headless Horseman or the original myth doesn't matter, it's still an Easter Egg and much better than some of the other crap that's on the talk page.--Ohnoitsmangofett 09:40, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Assuming this incident happens to just one individual on purpose and it's not some bug that happens to numerous NPCs, I don't have a problem with it. Minor Edits 20:37, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Jules Verne - Journey to the Center of the Earth

In Blackreach you encounter giant mushrooms and a lonely giant just like in the novel. only difference here is that the giant is not herding mastodons (or mammoths) in the cave (but they do on the surface as we know).82.207.232.17 21:06, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Maybe. Are these giant mushrooms in Blackreach seen anywhere else, or are they unique to that cave?Minor Edits 20:37, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Throw voice

Im not sure if this is an easter egg but when I use the "throw voice" shout a more modern sounding voice that isn't the character is heard.

No, this isn't an easter egg. It's more of a bug/glitch/game error. Unless it's the voice belonging to some famous ventriloquist, this isn't a valid easter egg. Commentaholic 09:30, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Halo 3 Lydia Easter Egg

Sometimes you'll hear Lydia say "I am your shield, and I am your sword". I'm pretty sure this an easter egg to the Halo 3 trailer where Cortana say those same words.

Maybe. Minor Edits 22:30, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I am 100% certain Jen Taylor is the voice of Lydia. This is certainly a nod to Cortana, who is assigned to Master Chief.--PhobosTau 19:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Jen Taylor seems not to be the voice of Lydia: None of the IMDB, wikipedia, blog, etc. entries for either Skyrim or Jen Taylor mention the other. A large cast has been announced on IMDB, including many that are either "additional voices" (logical since all the housecarls have the same voice) and "Nord" (same reasons). Jen Taylor is nowhere on it. Her wikipedia page has a notable works section, and Skyrim is not mentioned. Also, the voice doesn't sound quite right to me.
I suspect that these are both a "reference" to an older phrase. I've been doing some readings, and found two things: A phrase, as a forumgoers signature, attributed to unknown: "I am your sword and your shield, your divine avenger and holy protector. Take succor in my grace." Also from a LDS church's minutes: "Let the gospel be your sword and your shield." The latter is from 1995, and clearly antedates the Halo reference. I'm thinking this'd be rooted somewhere in Christian/Muslim/Jewish stories.
TL:DR version: Probably a reference, probably to something older than Halo, Jen Taylor probably did not voice Lydia. --129.49.21.175 04:03, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

A happy Un-Birthday to you...

After entering into Pelagius' mind, on the quest," The Mind Of Madness" you find Sheogorath (spelling), the daedric prince of madness sitting at a food laden and very decorated table with Pelagius, whom you must proceed to save. You are given a weapon "The wabbajack" to help you through the quest. Your clothes are changed for the entirety of the quest as well. During the fight to balance pelagius' consience you must make both halves of him small. This quest shows remarkable and repeated reference to both Alice in wonderland© and Through The Looking Glass©. Or is that just me thinking up the link? FauxPaws 12:02, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like it, yeah. I don't think you need to add the "©"'s though, considering Alice in Wonderland has been public domain for more than a hundred years ;)

Would you think sheogorath symbolizes the hatter?

Wabbajack's name is a tribute to Jabberwocky by the same author so it makes complete sense that they would make Lewis Carol references with Sheogorath. --71.51.146.49 20:04, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Night Mother's Coffin

... is similar in appearance to the silver sarcophagus of Temujin (Genghis Khan) in 'The Shadow.'

So. Just because one coffin looks like another doesn't make it an easter egg.--Ohnoitsmangofett 09:40, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

The appearances would have to be very specialized and very similar to each other, that's for sure. Minor Edits 20:37, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Beauty and the Beast References

In the Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary, one of the characters names is Babette. This is the name of one of the lead roles in Disney's musical, Beauty and the Beast. You can also find a skeleton with the name of Gaston Bellemont, which alludes to two characters in the musical; Gaston and Belle.

I'd say this is sufficiently concrete enough to warrant inclusion. Minor Edits 22:30, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

I disagree, as neither the Babette nor the skeleton have any reference to it other than their names.--Ohnoitsmangofett 09:40, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

We might want to put all Dark Brotherhood references under one section; apparently, Babette is relevant to two distinct references. Minor Edits 20:37, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

And in reply to the concern above, yes, all we have are names, but those two names correspond to the three names mentioned from Beauty and the Beast. Too many stars have to align for that to happen; it can't be dismissed as coincidence. Minor Edits 22:34, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I Told You I Was Freaky

During the Dark Brotherhood quests you find Cicero's journal which could possibly be a references to lyrics from the Flight of the Concords' song I told you I was freaky. "Float on a boat through the moat"

Probably not, just a rhyme. Unless you can find more evidence to prove it.--Ohnoitsmangofett 09:40, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

The song itself does have the line "Let's take a photo of a goat in a boat and then we can float in a moat," but I'm hardly seeing this as a reference either. Depends on the rest of the contents of the journal. 74.74.131.246 20:37, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Enemy of the State

There's a possible reference to the movie in Jorvasskar, a man named Brill who looks rather like Gene Hackman sleeps in the same room up top as the gray mane. His single line is also a reference to the movie

And that single line was? C'mon, you can't present only half your argument and expect to convince people. Minor Edits 22:30, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Battlestar Galactica Easter Egg?

During my first play through, during the quest Dragon Rising, I am certain I had a quest title pop up on screen called "All Along The Watchtower." In subsequent plays I haven't seen it though, but I can't see how I just imagined it. I've found one person's Youtube video where they titled the video from that point in the game "All Along the Watchtower" as well. Does anyone else remember seeing this in their game? If so, it is probably an Easter Egg.

"All Along the Watchtower" was a song written by Bob Dylan, though made popular by Jimi Hendrix. Another version of the song became a major plot device in Battlestar Galactica, and they even closed the last scene of the series finale with the Hendrix version. As a fan of BG myself, I recognized General Tullius (the Imperial Legion Commander) as being voiced by Michael Hogan, who of course played Colonel Saul Tigh in said show. You first briefly meet Tullius in Helgen in the very beginning of the game.

Again, I don't see how I could have just hallucinated seeing that, but I can't find it again. Can anyone else back me up?

Check you quest lists and completed quests. If its not there you probably misread another quest name.--Ohnoitsmangofett 09:40, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Worst Lookout Ever

Ulfr the blind and his book with nothing in it. He's found in White River Watch. I had originally posted it to the easter egg page but it was deleted. I'm just wondering if it didn't meet the criteria for an easter egg, I thought it was out of place, kind of odd, and the fact that the blind guard had an empty book was a nice and amusing touch. I don't think he was related to a quest, but I might be mistaken. I didn't originally post it here, but at the time I didn't know I had to do that (long time reader, first time poster). Also, I was browsing another site with easter eggs and someone took a title from that site and added it to my description of the easter egg, the title "Worst Lookout Ever". --Mechareaper 03:18, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

This guy doesn't exactly qualify as an Easter Egg unless it's a reference to something outside the Elder Scrolls universe. I'd say that he's just a funny encounter. Unless you can find something that this is referring to, I'd have to say that this doesn't meet the requirements. Commentaholic 17:42, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree, this really doesn't qualify as an "egg". By the way, I added the title "Worst lookout ever" when I cleaned up the page a few days ago, and I didn't steal anything from another site. This was simply a case of great minds thinking alike. Minor Edits 21:52, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

I see, I guess it depends on what your definition of an "Easter Egg" is, but, I suppose in a game like Skyrim there are so many silly or out of place encounters for laughs hidden about, that its hard to call them eggs, sort of makes the truly hidden references less meaningful, if this is the case than I see the point in deleting it, especially since Ulfr wasn't really hidden or in an out of place dungeon, there's just so many dungeons that sort of thing pops out to me. Oh, and I guess I didn't mean to accuse anyone of stealing the title, I just didn't want the title to be a reason for it to be deleted (as in I thought it possible someone thought it was stolen entirely from the title), and it's also entirely possible other sources got it from here! In any case, it seems Ulfr is noted elsewhere, anyway. --Mechareaper 01:38, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

In my opinion this certainly can be seen as an Easter Egg since it pays hommage to The Secret of Monkey Island. Blink86 17:46, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, that's a whole different story. How does this relate to the Secret of Monkey Island? Minor Edits 21:36, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

In the very first scene before you get control over Guybrush he "sneaks up" on a pirate lookout who is blind. Blink86 21:53, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

(←) Then it might be a reference to the Secret of Monkey Island, I don't know. The case would be a lot stronger if that pirate lookout also had a blank book he was reading. Minor Edits 22:06, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

He doesn't have any book, but the blind lookout is a trademark of Monkey Island. Blink86 00:55, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Possibly a reference to Book of Eli? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Eli

I don't think so in that case the book would be named Book of Ulfr and not Ulfr's book and there should be patterns that resemble braille in it.(Remind me if it is named Ulfr's book, it has been some time since I cleared the cave out) Blink86 00:55, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Monty Python Refer?

During combat; some NPCs may say "Just a scratch!"

Could this be refering to the Black Knight from "Monty Python: Quest for the Holy Grail" where he says something just like that? Or was it on accident?

I believe this is already an Easter Egg under the title "I've had worse" Commentaholic 06:35, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

I find it hard to accept that this is an easter egg. Sure, Monty Python made a humorous bit of context for the phrase when the Black Knight was missing an arm, but the phrase itself isn't all that out there, and the circumstances under which the combatants speak it are not similar to the Black Knight's at all. Perhaps it would be more acceptable if you were to cut an arm off, prompting them to say so, or even if they were wearing full ebony armor and meeting you on the road. As is, though, I think the "reference" should be removed. Jwguy 14:51, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Flag on mountain

I have no idea whether this is an easter egg or not but it seems too out of the way and specific to just be a random prop.

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The flag is halfway up a mountain on a rock jutting out of it and there's a helmet, apothecary satchel and mace next to it.

Any ideas?

I think you're right, this is probably an egg of some kind. But without knowing what it's referring to, we can't include it yet. And the outside chance exists that this was just some designer goofing around or part of some deleted content. Minor Edits 22:30, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Probably not an egg, just a random loot thing. I've seen many of those in Skyrim--Ohnoitsmangofett 09:40, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

DBH - SI

Idk if this was mentioned before but during the DBH questline; you had to killed that one Jester Guy. Well.. He asked to go tell Astrid that "You killed him and strangled him with his own intestines." (Spellcheck?) as a lie.

Didn't Sheogorath; from SI Expansion in Oblivion; said something just like this?

I believe it was "I'll skip rope with you intestines" or something of the sort, but I don't think that that is close enough. --Ohnoitsmangofett 09:40, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Lady of the lake

Not sure whether this qualifies, but the standing stone of the lady is located in the middle of a lake.--83.23.245.143 11:10, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Maybe. Anything else to go on? Minor Edits 21:36, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

It could be valid. After all, this isn't the only reference to the Lady of the Lake that I've heard of. There is also (supposedly, I've never gone and checked it out myself. *Makes note to do it later today*) a hand sticking up out of a frozen lake, holding a sword a la the giving of Excalibur to Arthur by said Lady of the Lake. Commentaholic 09:27, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Belrand mentions game called "Seek the Wumpus"

Belrand has a random line of dialogue when you're in dungeons with him about a game he played as a child called "Seek the Wumpus." This refers to a classic computer game called [Hunt the Wumpus](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunt_the_Wumpus)

Looks page-worthy to me. Should have it on the page as soon as someone can confirm Belrand's dialogue. Minor Edits 19:05, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Sword in the Stone (Excalibur)

Just outside of Rebels Cairn, NW of Rorikstead, you will find a sword in the stone, referencing of course Arthurian lore and the story of King Arthur's swore Excalibur. [2]. (POSTED HERE AND EASTER EGG PAGE)

Just a side note, but you should post all suggestions for Easter Eggs here first and then, once approved, they get moved to the Easter Eggs page. I might also suggest that we create a King Arthur reference collection for the Easter Eggs page, seeing as this is the third or fourth one that I personally have heard of. Commentaholic 09:39, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

The Hangover and A Night to Remember

Okay, someone asked for this to be justified as an easter egg, so here it goes. First of all, The Hangover was a very popular movie while Skyrim was in the middle of development, and it's likely Bethesda would assume that the majority of Skyrim consumers (of those who had begun or finished puberty, at least) would have seen and enjoyed the movie (and maybe even had market research to that effect), which makes any potential reference to it all the more plausible.

Anyways, the reference reveals itself in the totality of the circumstances. To my knowledge, there are no specific parallels in the dialogue of the quest and the dialogue of the movie, but the similarities between the plot and situations of the two make it abundantly clear that the makers were paying their respect to a movie they probably liked quite a bit. Those similarities are:

1. Both begin the same: a night of relatively innocent debauchery is turned into a night of horrible debauchery because you were drugged by some guy you barely knew who turned out to be a lot crazier than you thought.

2. The protagonist(s) can't remember anything that happened the night before.

3. A friend went missing and must be found.

4. Waking up in the Temple of Dibella in Markarth is a lot like Doug waking up on the roof of the casino, as it's kind of difficult to figure out how to get down from there without hurting yourself (if you've never been up there beforehand, like me when I did this quest).

5. The people you wronged during the night demand satisfaction before they'll help you.

6. Stealing a goat would be Bethesda's take on the theft of Mike Tyson's tiger.

7. It turns out you popped the question to someone during the course of the evening.

8. Chronologically, both the movie and the quest consisted of a lot of roving "detective work", then ended where they began.

Whatever doubts you may still have of this, please remember that this is a videogame, and a multimillion dollar block-buster one at that: everything is tested and planned, every detail is engineered at some level, and nothing happens purely by accident. Minor Edits 07:16, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Numbers 4, 7, and 8 are somewhat questionable. In Dibella's temple, the hero is accused of fondling the statuary, but wasn't in a difficult spot to escape. He just passed out. The door was right over there. In the Hangover, the marriage proposal was a planned event that occurred before the events in question, and was the motivation for finding Doug, not something that occurred during the night of debauchery. The last is a bit more odd, as your use of chronologically is somewhat confusing: If you mean that the quest literally begins and ends in the same place, that sounds incorrect, as I experienced the ending of the quest in the Misty Grove with Sanguine, before being transported back to Whiterun. If you mean that the events that occurred had no shapeable impact on the timeline of the game, I disagree. Time still passed, which could cause you to miss a wedding. A NPC was destroyed, as Sam was a fully dominated puppet at this time, and you now had an artifact of power.

I think the reference is valid, but I don't think these lines do as much justice towards your purpose. Jwguy 15:04, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

As I said, it's about the totality of the circumstances, so even the similarities that are less convincing on their own were worth mentioning. Numbers 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6 are stronger because 4, 7, and 8 exist, and vice versa.

In regards to Dibella's Temple, the relevant point is that it's difficult to descend from the Temple. I wasn't saying it's difficult to physically "escape" the Temple interior, but once you're outside, figuring out the climb down can be tricky. Considering that they could've dropped you off at literally any location in the game, I don't think it's far-fetched to assume there was some substantive reason that Dibella's Temple was chosen, and the similarity between Doug waking up on the roof of the casino and your character waking up in one of the highest, least accessible points in Markarth fits the bill.

There was a marriage during the night in The Hangover: Ed Helms' character married a stripper. That was what I was referring to.

By "chronologically", I mean the chronological stories of the movie and the quest. The Hangover started with a flash-forward, so it was necessary to clarify. But chronologically, the Hangover started and ended at the parents' mansion. Likewise, A Night to Remember started and ended at the tavern where you meet Sam (the exact tavern differs due to the radiant system, apparently). Minor Edits 18:42, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Also, it's not really relevant, but I'm fairly certain that Sam never existed. Or if he did exist, your character never meets him. The Sam we saw was merely Sanguine masquerading as a human. At least, that's impression I got. Minor Edits 19:11, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I doubt this quest is a direct reference to the Hangover, and your connections are more than a little far-fetched. Alcohol induced amnesia and having to fix one's mistakes has been a recurring theme in literature and cinema far before than the Hangover. Besides, if they wanted to make a reference they would have been more explicit, for example dropping Sam on the top of Dibella's Temple and having you find him, like the main characters of the movie, or lock you somewhere with a sabre cat or even a Kajiit instead of using a goat and a giant. If you still aren't convinced, I'll use your logic to prove this was a reference to the Simpsons episode where Homer and Ned (the dragonborn and Sam) go to Las Vegas (a relatively isolated place like Markarth), get drunk and marry a couple of strippers (the hagraven), then have to trick them into leaving (the fight with the mages at the "wedding ceremony"). Also your use of the word "chronologically" in that context makes no sense.— Unsigned comment by 2.32.7.28 (talk)

I'm totally unconvinced by that. The other literature and cinema you allude to, including that terrible episode of the Simpsons, were not block-buster movies during Skyrim's development, an important contextual fact that you're ignoring. The "what they should've done if this was an egg" examples you offer are ridiculous and irrelevant; Bethesda sought to make their own product, not blatantly and shamelessly copy others in the name of paying homage to them. Few eggs throughout the whole TES series have been so "on-the-nose" as what you suggested. With that in mind, I think the connections to The Hangover are entirely appropriate- concealed, but certainly present. I've already clearly explained what I meant when I used "chronologically", and getting hung up on my use of that word as if it actually matters merely high-lights the frailty of your "arguments". We're dealing with probabilities here; we have few if any definitive answers. And it's definitely probable that there is a connection between this quest and The Hangover. Are there doubts and uncertainties? Sure. But not overriding ones in my honest opinion. The only thing wrong that note is that it said "is an homage" instead of "may be an homage". Minor Edits 20:38, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

I still believe you're trying too hard to justify something that simply isn't there. Other easter eggs are so "on-the-nose"! They always offer an obvious connection to the product they're referring to, a connection that here is not present. Some examples are on this page: the upside-down skeleton reaching for his sword in a snowy cave, the bandit whose name is an anagram of Fafhrd, two men named after Anders Nystrom and to be even more subtle (sarcasm) they even put in an album and song title, the Notched Pickaxe, the rat-commanding man named Hamelyn, the "I understand you're an elf who knows how to get things" line from Shawshank Redemption and I could go on. Those are obvious references, everyone who has a knowledge of the other product will immediately recognize the homage, because of a name, a phrase, an image would be "on-the-nose" referring to the original product. I'd like to add that all the examples I've made are references to products that "weren't blockbuster movies during Skyrim's development", because that seems to be the spearhead of your argumentation.

On a side note, my examples are ridiculous and irrelevant, clearly saying that a stolen goat sold to a giant is a reference to Mike Tyson's tiger locked in a bathroom makes a lot of sense.

I still think that you having a hard time finding your way down the stairs in Dibella's temple doesn't make an easter egg. I won't erase your contribution because I know you'll just edit it back in, but I hope someone else does. Have a nice day!

Sorry, I couldn't help myself but notice that on this very page you deny a reference to Monkey Island (a non existant reference imho) because Monkey's lookout doesn't have a blank book in front of him, and now you come up with the "not on-the-nose" argument. Also about the Kratos egg (another false one) you claim that "god of war doesn't hold claim to that stance", yet when I point out that the Hangover doesn't hold claim to drunken amnesia you simply dismiss me with the blockbuster argument. I think you're not being honest here.

After reading what you wrote about a supposed "the Mask" reference I think I understand how you work: since the masks "reminded YOU" of a movie you decided it was an easter egg, and apparently that one degenerated to an edit war. Same thing here. Since I don't have time/don't want to deal with that I'll simply leave the page. Happy egg-hunting.

Uh, uh, one last thing: I think that stochastically you're using the word "chronologically" in the wrong context, and then I could clearly explain what I meant when I used "stochastically" and still it wouldn't make any sense.

Perhaps I've been overzealous in defending this particular note; if so, I apologize. Things ultimately stay on the page or get removed based on some consensus. If there's too little support for this note, it will inevitably be removed regardless of what I think. But let's at least get some facts straight here. Most of those eggs you mentioned have been removed or at least challenged before by anonymous users, and I've had to defend and re-add them. The Notched Pickaxe was removed, discussed, and ultimately re-added, the Shawshank note was removed and argued over extensively here, the Pied Piper note was also challenged and removed as being too obscure and nonsensical, and the list goes on. Even though "everyone" with knowledge should understand the references, there were some honest disagreements about the veracity of these assertions. They may seem obvious to you, but to others they were anything but obvious. Despite the fact that you apparently agree with them, none of those notes were sure things; they all had to be fought for or they wouldn't be on the page anymore. And it's always possible that some of them won't make it in the long run.

In regard to Mike Tyson's tiger, I feel you're (perhaps purposefully) misconstruing the connection when you start talking about tigers in bathrooms. The tiger in The Hangover was Mike Tyson's prized pet which it was stolen from him and had to be returned; likewise, the goat in the quest was a farmer's prized pet, and it was also stolen and had to be returned. I think that relation is clear, and it is just one of many connections between the quest and the movie.

With the "Monkey Island" note, we were faced with an amusing scenario in the game that could have been in reference to a number of different things, but we didn't have enough to go on. We needed something more specific to draw a firm connection, thus the note wasn't appropriate for the page. But a contributor or two wanted to explore the possibility that it Ulfr the Blind could be substantively linked to something else in a concrete enough way to qualify as an egg. Since I wasn't familiar with Monkey Island, I wanted to know if there was any other similarities we could rely on. Whether or not the blind lookout in Monkey Island also had a blank book was merely one possible additional similarity; it wasn't the sine qua non for whether or not that note should succeed. I was merely asking a question, trying to help.

If you used "stochastically" in a potentially confusing way, then explained yourself when questioned, then someone else came along and questioned your use of the term again, would you bother to explain again, or would you point that person to your last explanation?

Also, in regards to "the Mask": that was not an edit war I participated in, it's one I was trying to stop. I didn't add the note, and I wasn't fighting to keep it on or take it off the page. When I moved the note to the talk page, I merely wanted to ease any remaining tension by communicating that I thought the arguments of both sides had some merit, that everyone was acting in good faith.

See, that was an important bit of context. I think context is important to understanding just about anything. That's why I think significant stories, moments and products in pop culture during Skyrim's development have a greater likelihood of being referenced. I've made that argument a lot here and in the "Pit Wolves" discussion. I think if we try to judge Skyrim's eggs in a vacuum, without giving thought to what we might expect based on when, where and how they were made, then we're ignoring a crucial piece of context that could greatly help our determinations regarding what belongs on this page. Minor Edits 19:28, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Dragon Priest - Volsung

Could be a reference to the Volsunga Saga of Icelandic legend, as a reference is also made in Oblivion as Fafnir, the Nord guard of Summitmist Manor (and the alleged chest of gold)is named for the greedy gold-guarding dragon from the saga.

Possible Dog the Bounty Hunter Reference

User Valserian pointed out that the "Bounty Collector" who stops players with a bounty on their head along the roads in Skyrim bears some similarity to Dog the Bounty Hunter. I can't find any good image of this bounty collector at the moment, and have never seen him myself (shame on you people who have). There's a youtube video, which is only clear enough to confirm that both the collector and Dog are large men sent to collect bounties. There are no significant dialogue references, to my knowledge (the collector doesn't say "go with Christ" or any other catchphrases I'm aware of). Can anyone who thinks of it get a better look at this collector to see if he really does bear some semblance to Dog the Bounty Hunter? Otherwise I don't think there's enough here to warrant inclusion. Minor Edits 21:33, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

I've seen the bounty hunter and he was wearing a Steel Plate helmet so never saw his face, but its probably just a randomly generated NPC sent to collect your bounty or your head.--Ohnoitsmangofett 09:40, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Lord of the Rings? Sting?

I think it just might be coincidental but Dawnbreaker has some similar characteristics to Sting from LOTR. Although instead of glowing when Orcs are near it glows when Undead are near.

The glowing is likely a reference to Tolkien's work, as I've never seen it anywhere else. However, it is by no means limited to Sting. At the very least Glamdring bore the same ability, and Tolkien implied that other First Age Even blades were similarly enchanted.166.182.3.50 17:49, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Terminator!?!?

One pretty subtle but great reference to Terminator. In the Ysgramor tomb, when you fight the ancients companions ghosts. When dying, one of the ghost said "I'll be back!"

Despite probably being one of the best-known one-liners in movie history, I'm personally not convinced this is a reference to The Terminator. --LJGB 13:09, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Moved to talk page

Film Cow - Animation- Stanley the Pineapple. In "Mind of Madness" Sherogorath makes a reference to a talking grapefruit named Stanley, a very obscure reference to an animation produced by filmcow.com or secretagentbob on youtube. The filmcow animation was likely inspired by the Aquateen Hungerforce episode "Hypnogerms" where shake is infected with Hypnogerms and miscellanious commonly inanimate objects, such as a basketball and a cabinet, talk. by bbeau.ca

I don't know where to begin. Minor Edits 20:59, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Fafhrd and the Gray-Mouser

In the Ratway the first enemies you meet are a sneaky looking fellow and a barbarian type called Drahff and Hewnon Black-Skeever. Drahff is an anagram of Fafhrd, black-skeever=gray-mouser and Hewnon is an anagram of Nehwon, the world in which Fafhrd and the Gray-Mouser live.

Added. Lukish_ Tlk Cnt 23:49, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Another possible Star Wars reference

When you first go to meet Delphine in the inn in Riverwood, one of the possible greetings is "I was expecting someone...taller". This may be a referene to the "aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper" line, and is word-for-word what Goto says to the Jedi Exile on first meeting her in Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords. Hephaestus Androcus 14:21, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

"I was expecting someone taller" is another line that is everywhere, no real way of knowing where it originated. (Eddie The Head 14:23, 26 November 2011 (UTC))

It could also be a reference to Anakin Skywalker's greeting to General Grievous in Star Wars Episode III

Which really just reinforces the fact that it's a generic phrase used in such a wide variety of films and other media that it can't be traced back to or associated with any one of them in particular. One more for the pile: in "Escape from L.A.", people repeatedly tell Snake they thought he was taller. "Escape from L.A." has a stronger claim here than any of the Star Wars movies, but I still wouldn't consider this phrase a reference to it. Minor Edits 20:36, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

I took this to be a reference. To the movie roadhouse where everybody always says "I thought you'd be bigger to to Patrick. Swayze

Pit Wolves

At the foot of the path leading to the White River Watch there is a pack of three Pit Wolves standing above a bandit they have recently killed, on the bandit's person is a note telling him to retrieve the three lost pit wolves for a future fight. My first thought was that I should not have killed the Pit Wolves but after seeing the bandits near the end of the cave argue over training a new wolf, I'm pretty sure it's just there for the lols.

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You guys don't feel comfortable removing other peoples posts and I don't feel comfortable adding one that may be removed. So feel free to add this if you think it will stand... (just make sure to take credit for it). -HillDragon (fake IP... really.-->)75.81.63.109 04:32, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't think I've seen or heard of "Pit Wolves" before. If they're unique, it's strong evidence that this is an egg. And if that dead bandit is a Redguard, I'd say this has to be a reference to that scumbag Michael Vick ... Minor Edits 04:53, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Ok, so I've run across the same scene again, this time in the southern mountains. I think it's a random encounter much like the Thief and the Hunter. -HillDragon 75.81.63.109 19:17, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

After coming across the scene for myself, I'm convinced this is a Michael Vick reference. The three "Pit" wolves are found standing over a "Bandit Thug". He was a Dunmer in my game, though the bandit race may be randomized like the location, I don't know. But considering the unique nature of the event and how big the dog-fighting scandal was during Skyrim's development, I think this is a reference. I'll add it in a couple days provided there's no substantial objection.

There's also a small note on the body; the bandit thug's name is "Adril", who was sent out to find the wolves before the next tournament (removing any doubt about what a "Pit Wolf" means). He was supposed to bring them back to "Cragslane". "Adril" and "Cragslane" may bear some relationship to the Vick scandal, if anyone cares enough to look. Minor Edits 21:57, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

(←) I added this but it was removed, apparently because Pit Wolves and associated gambling dens are common occurrences. I haven't seen or heard of Pit Wolves outside the one random encounter where they're standing over the corpse, and Cragslane is the only wolf-fighting den I'm aware of. I'm still convinced this is an egg regardless. Even if such dens and wolves are common occurrences (and I won't be totally sold on that until I get some location names), the three particular pit wolves players find standing over a dark-skinned corpse are not. Considering how publicized the Vick's thuggish, brutal conduct was and the amount of loathing directed at that waste of life, and that illegal animal-fighting rings didn't need to be in the game in the first place, I think it is probable that Bethesda was inspired to include this randomized event by the scandal, a position which is especially strengthened if the corpse of that bandit thug is always a Dark Elf. Minor Edits 19:02, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Allspark reference

While doing the quest 'Discerning The Transmudane' you must go to the northern ice fields to meet the scholar Septimus Signus, does anyone else seem to think the huge Dwemer cube might look slightly like the Allspark from transformers?

No idea, I've never seen your Allspark, but unless you have further supporting evidence (For example: Is the phrase 'all spark' used in the quest? Does this cube actually transform?) then it's just the fact that a mechanical cube looks like a mechanical cube. Asterai 00:14, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't see the connection. Plus the dwemer cube has the Oghma Infinium inside it, the allspark had who knows what inside.--Ohnoitsmangofett 08:23, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

I actually think it does look a little like the allspark, a little vague, but the resemblence to it is pretty good, plus it does transform, in a way.- Mrawesome4567

Yep every metal cube is a reference to the allspark.— Unsigned comment by Reidlos (talk • contribs)

The man who cried wolf

the man who cried wolf is a quest, and the name is a obvious reference to the boy who cried wolf, the quest it self does not. I though id bring it up here instead of just adding it. (Eddie The Head 03:26, 19 November 2011 (UTC))

There is a bar in Skyrim where, approaching an Argonian, you will be informed of "special drinks". If you inquire further, You learn these are references to Oblivion. The names of the drinks are Cliff Racer, White Gold Tower, and something Lachance.

Cliffracer was a creature in morrowind, and a notoriously annoying one, which is more likely what the drink is referencing. But yes, good catch. - Memphis

If I remember it right, he also explains what Cliffracer is made of, and those were four main beverages in Morrowind(If I remember it right)

I thinks already been added, but the Cliff racer is a reference to the Morrowind enemy, the White Gold Tower is a reference to the White Gold Tower from Oblivion, and the Velvet Lechance is a reference to Lucien Lachance from Oblivion.--Ohnoitsmangofett 08:23, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Romeo and Juliet

At the base of the cliff Peryite's shrine sits upon is a small alcove containing two dead bodies. They come complete with a poison bottle and dagger sitting between them referencing the death scene of Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet. Note the dagger is always a dagger of burning and one of the corpses is a burned rib cage with explosion marks on the ground.

Interesting. Needs confirming, though. Minor Edits 20:37, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

A plague on both your houses! (Sorry, couldn't resist). Unless that was the intent, a Peryite shrine seems and odd place for a Romeo and Juliet reference --Aphotic Phoenix 04:22, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like a good title to me, whether or not that was the intent. Once this is confirmed, that is. Minor Edits 04:24, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

(←) I checked multiple iterations of this scene now, and it's pretty strange. Definitely an egg, so I put it on the page. One body is a female "Wood Elf" (that looks more like a Dunmer), and the other isn't really a body at all, it's just a giant blood splatter with a couple bones and a rib cage. Everything adds up, though; there's a couple bottles of different, random poisons, a randomized dagger, and for some reason a permanent diamond and some salt. The whole scene is arranged at the base of something I've never seen before, some sort of dragon totem. The body of the elf is ... strange. Very ugly, for one thing. She may or may not be wearing a "hat" (a stylized bandana that looks like a wig) and underneath is short black hair on only the left half of her head. A very odd Juliet. Minor Edits 04:27, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

snowberries and elf

Snowberries could be taken from the movie Elf when the penguins ask you Buddy if he wants to pick snowberries.

Or they could be berries. That grow in snow. Are there any other similarities between the two? If not, I think it's just a coincidence Jwguy 14:53, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Ditto. Minor Edits 20:37, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

No, it's not a reference. --71.51.146.49 19:58, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

There is an actual plant named Snowberry, also called Corpse Berry. They berries are white, not red, however, and poisonous.

The Aprentice's Assistant - Advice from Valenwood's most prestigious spellcaster

The Apprentice's Assistant is a book found in Skyrim. It is possibly a play on "The Sorcerer's Apprentice". A spellcaster is similar, if not exactly, a Sorcerer.

Possibly. Need more to go on. Minor Edits 20:37, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Wilhelm Tell

In Swindler's Den there is a training dummy with 2 arrows in and a red apple on top of his head. This to me seems like a clear reference to the story of Wilhelm Tell. Anyone on board with me? Blink86 12:46, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Good enough for me. Though if included, the note should probably refer to "William Tell", as that's the name most of the English-speaking world uses. Minor Edits 20:37, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I came here to make the same edit. I instantly knew what it was the second I saw it. It is without a doubt a reference to the famous Wilhelm Tell story. --71.51.146.49 19:56, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Deleted LOTR reference

• After the quest Defense of Whiterun or Battle for Whiterun, either Hadvar or Ralof will say "I'm pretty sure I killed more than you. I was counting". This may be a reference to the rivalry of Gimli and Legolas in The Lord of the Rings, in which they would compare kill counts during and after battles.

I agree with the removal; the connection to the Lord of the Rings is too uncertain for this to be included. Minor Edits 00:56, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever

The character Horik Halfhand could also be a reference to Berek Halfhand, a figure in Stephen R. Donaldson's series Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever.

Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory

When in the Pelagious Winf in the Blue Castle Sheogorath says "I said Good day Sir!"

This could just as easily be attributed to Fez on That 70s Show or a host of other shows and movies. I think we're better off not trying to attribute it to anything. Minor Edits 18:47, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

jvk1166z.esp

jvk1166z.esp was a fabled Morrowind overhaul mod. It was only a "spooky story," or "creepypasta" as the internet would call it, as far as I can tell. http://creepypasta.wikia.com/wiki/Jvk1166z.esp is the complete story. However, in the story all the characters begin to say "Watch the sky." Skyrim NPC's often say "Watch the sky, traveler." This could be a nod to jvk, or simply a reference to dragons flying about.

Yeah... this is just a reference to the dragons. You're really reaching if you think it's a random creepypasta reference. Though I admit... that creepypasta is rather interesting. Commentaholic 08:37, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Star Wars V Reference

During one scene of star wars, the main character is trapped in a cave with his feet frozen to the ceiling as he uses "the force" to grab his green lightsaber before the ice monster sees and eats him. Within a cave called Bleakcoast Cave on the eastern edge of the map is where the reference can be found. Inhabiting the cave is several ice trolls and upon further exploration, a skeleton can be found frozen to the ceiling reaching for an enchanted two handed sword in such a way that it emits green light.

Unless there's another skeleton in Bleakcoast Cave reaching for a sword, it's already on the page. It's cleverly concealed under the heading "Star Wars". Minor Edits 02:33, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Legend of Zelda reference

Various types of bugs in jars (e.g bee, butterfly) can be found in the game, possibly a reference to the many bugs that could be captured in jars throughout the Legend of Zelda games.

Or, perhaps... but this is a long shot, it's a reference to people who put bugs in jars in order to collect them, as a hobby! Oh wait, that's just too far fetched, I'm sorry. --Ijiero 17:05, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Song of Ice and Fire

• In Dawnstar, a man named Horik Halfhand could be a reference to the character Qhorin Halfhand in George R. R. Martin's Song of Ice and Fire series. Yet Berek Halfhand is the main character in The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever by Stephen R. Donaldson, which seems just as plausible.

Let's get one thing straight: we do not and will not have any notes on the page saying something could be a reference in one sentence and then say the exact opposite in the next sentence. If you reasonably suspect that a note is wrong or attributed to the wrong reference, then you remove it and put it back here for more discussion. You do not fill the page with schizophrenic contradictions. Minor Edits 19:08, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

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