Online talk:Dragon

Shouts

Should "Corresponding Attack" be changed to "Corresponding Effects" description? There's a lot of shouts (Du Kun Shaan) where its an event rather than attack based.

Also should language files be taken as the only source when verifiable sources can be found: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/fp4r7e/the_thuum_index/— Unsigned comment by 68.148.53.168 (talk) at 02:13 on 25 April 2020 UTC

They only say lines that are in the language file. I don't hear what you are hearing when you think it is Vey Lun Strun.... if it IS strun, the only two ending in Strun are Fo Liz Strun and Iiz Bah Strun... But I'm not even sure it's that... Hearing is a weird thing.... the best proof would be to get a video stream with the NPC subtitles on, or with all the sound except dialogue sound turned off... Otherwise there's nothing in the audio file that is gonna convince me that these are real shouts... it's very very very difficult to make out anything over the combat sounds... Jeancey (talk) 02:43, 25 April 2020 (GMT)

I can see what you mean on the hearing section, I may definitely be off the mark here but that doesn't address the effect description being superior over the Attack name for shouts used in events.— Unsigned comment by 68.148.53.168 (talk) at 03:24 on 25 April 2020‎ UTC

"Corresponding Attack" seems efficient enough, though I personally think "Corresponding Ability" fits better than "Attack" given the continuity of "Skills and Abilities" sections in gamespace. If we name the section "Effect", it gives off the notion that the section is going to describe the effect of shout's corresponding ability, when such descriptions belong on the proper Dragon's page. For example, a description of the Time Portal ability's effect would be on Nahviintaas's page. It comes down to semantics, but "Corresponding Ability" works a bit better than "Effect" and "Attack" in this case. 174.216.22.74 23:45, 25 April 2020 (GMT)

That still doesn't cover shouts like Du Ku Shaan where the shout precludes an event where dragons are charging up on moonlight rather than an actual attack effect.— Unsigned comment by 68.148.53.168 (talk) at 21:25 on 1 May 2020 UTC

Image Gallery

I have deleted a huge number of pre-release images that were being displayed in the gallery on this page:

ON-prerelease-Thurvokun.jpg|Thurvokun
ON-prerelease-Thurvokun 02.jpg|Thurvokun, but from another angle
ON-prerelease-Halls of Colossus.jpg|Dragons are released
ON-prerelease-Dragon.jpg|Kaalgrontiid
ON-prerelease-Dragon 02.jpg|A Dragon Hunt event
ON-prerelease-Dragon 03.jpg|Kaalgrontiid
ON-prerelease-Dragon 04.png|A black Dragon
ON-prerelease-Dragon Encounter.jpg|A Dragon Hunt
ON-prerelease-Dragon 06.jpg|A Dragon in flight
ON-prerelease-Dragon 07.jpg|A red Dragon
ON-prerelease-Dragon 05.jpg|A presently unseen red dragon
ON-prerelease-Dragon 08.jpg|A red Dragon
ON-prerelease-Dragon 09.jpg|Dragon in Southern Elsweyr
ON-prerelease-Dragon 10.jpg|A storm Dragon
ON-prerelease-Sunspire.jpg|Yolnahkriin
ON-prerelease-Lokkestiiz.jpg|Lokkestiiz
ON-prerelease-Scalebreaker Dragons.jpg|Maarselok and Sahrotnax
ON-prerelease-Dragonhold.jpg|Dragonhold
ON-prerelease-Dragons.jpg|Dragons facing off in Pellitine
ON-prerelease-Laatvulon.jpg|Laatvulon

We usually don't display pre-release content on articles, and in any case the majority of these are actually promotional renders. They belong on Online:Screenshots or elsewhere. We have plenty of high quality wiki screenshots on this page already without having to resort to illustrating the article with branded out-of-game imagery. I can't see the value in displaying them all on this generic creature page. —⁠Legoless (talk) 09:45, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

I think they should stay, and I was thinking of proposing that we use promotional renders on pages more often, gamespace (and lore, since eso changes the standards that previous games lacked). Yeah, sure, they can all be found on ON:screenshots, but everything can be found there, there's very little way to see what screenshots can be found for what due to the minimal organization on that page. It's the same thing for concept art, sure we can find all of it on ON:Concept Art but we still put related concept art on its related articles. There's also some weird issue I've heard of that concept art shouldnt be on lore pages because its already on the related gamespace article? That's not directly related to this issue, but it is similar. In any case I find it better to have more images on more articles rather than limiting them to just one page. The Rim of the Sky (talk) 17:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

If we want to keep some renders on the page, I'm fine with that. The problem here is that this gallery is massive, and a lot of the images aren't even relevant to generic dragons. —⁠Legoless (talk) 08:41, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Shout Sources?

Does this page need some cleaning up? I notice that there are no sources for most under the Language Section. It links to Dragon Language, but for example, where does "Jol Fus Daal" come from? Rough google searches turn up with nothing. Was it a lorebook? A dev diary? What dragon actually used this shout?