Lore talk:White-Gold Concordat

White-Gold Concordat, a "treaty"

In terms of written/signed documents, there's a distinct difference between a treaty and what the White-Gold Concordat really is.

As is mentioned in the Great War book, the WGC is technically an Ultimatum.

It is called a "peace-treaty" by one who wrote an account in the same book, but only because of the purpose for which Titus Mede II signed it. He was forced to do so in order to end a long & destructive war that would've proven to be even more disastrous. — Unsigned comment by WintersetAltmer (talk • contribs) at 15:13 on 2 November 2014‎ (GMT)

The ultimatum mentioned in The Great War is not the same thing as the Concordat. The ultimatum was rejected, resulting in the war, which the Empire lost and was forced into signing the Concordat. An ultimatum ("the last one") is the last offering of terms before a threatened act; it was rejected and so the threatened act, war with the Dominion, was carried out. Once the war has begun, you can't have an ultimatum anymore. The Concordat was certainly a rather one-sided treaty, signed under duress, but it can't be called an ultimatum. -- Hargrimm^(T) 01:20, 3 November 2014 (GMT)

"Ulfric was an active Thalmor asset" vs. "Ulfric was a Thalmor asset"

Forgive me if this is redundant but I simply wanted to justify my edit in a way that's easier to read. I removed the word "active" so that Ulfric is described solely as an "asset," not an "active asset." The primary source (Thalmor Dossier) simply does not use the word "active," so I see no reason to describe him as such. Please feel free to justify the use of the word "active" if you feel it is meaningful and necessary to the article -- frankly, I disagree with the suggestive tone.

It was claimed that Ulfric "demanded" the freedom to worship Talos and that was why he was arrested, but this is not supported by the cited dialogue

This claim was simply not supported by Igmund's dialogue. What Igmund actually says is that his father Hrolfdir promised Ulfric and his militia the freedom to worship Talos in return for their aid, but that the Thalmor found out about this, and instructed Hrolfdir to arrest Ulfric and his militia. Clearly, this in no way supports the claim that Ulfric "demanded" free Talos worship. The word is never even used, and the situation described is meaningfully different. It was promised to him. Although a relatively minor issue, the original wording was misleading and untrue. We should really endeavor to be more conservative with our summary of NPC dialogue.