User talk:Kriegblitz

Mentor Wanted

I have absolutley NO experience in wiki editing. Heck, i don't even understand what most of this editing stuff means!!! I do, however, have a reasonable amount of experience in TES IV: Oblivion. I have it for the 360, and I plan to get it for the pc once I get a better computer. I basicly need any help somebody can give, preferably a tutorial on wiki editing. Most of my expierience is in glitches, and I want to ad a page for certain kind of glitch. Probably the escape glitches (the glitches that you can use to get out off certain areas without having to go throught the loading screen). One of these glitches is the famous easy arena battle glitch.

I could be your mentor for now. This page lists all of the basics you need to know. It is a good idea to read it, as understanding the basic rules is how most disagreements here are avoided. Since your area of expertise is glitches, I suggest visiting the Oblivion:Glitches page. However, since so many glitches (and even things that aren't glitches) are listed, they have to be added to the proposed glitches page to be approved by the community before making it to the grand "official" list. However, keep in mind that player-induced crashes should not be added to the glitches page, as they list only things that might go wrong with the game. And be forewarned that a lot of editors think that the wiki is a chatroom. Since the Proposed Glitches page is so heavily and often hastenly edited, it may be hard to understand at times. References and curiosities belong on the Easter Eggs page (which, by the way, must also go through an initialization process).

Unfortunately, most of the knowledge of editing and stuff comes with experience. The more time you spend here, the more you learn. If you have any specific questions, you can leave a message on your or my talk page, visit the chatroom, or email me. Vesna 15:04, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

Welcome Kriegblitz

Hello! Welcome to the wiki. I hope you enjoy using the site and find the information on it useful. If you decide you want to help improve any of our pages, we're always welcoming to new editors so feel free. You might want to look at our Getting Started page for some tips on how to begin, then play in our Sandbox for a while to practice. If you need any help or advice, please ask one of our mentors. Enjoy! --Benould^•T•C 00:29, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

Images

Hi, Kriegblitz, welcome to the site. If you'd like to upload and use images, could you please read over the help page on images? In particular, could you please not upload images whose name begins with, for example, "180px-" or "800px-" . Those prefixes have a very specific meaning to the wiki software, and any images starting with such prefixes are liable to be deleted and/or overwritten by the wiki software without any warning. Therefore, I've deleted the images that you uploaded under those names.

And the third image that you uploaded I deleted because it was a copyright violation: the image had waiting4oblivion.com stamped on it and therefore is obviously not a screenshot that you created yourself. UESP cannot legally host images owned by other sites and as a community we do not want to use images created by other sites. We would rather have original content created by our editors.

Finally, if you would like to use an existing image on the site, you do not need to upload it again. If you want an image to be displayed at a different size than it's standard size, you can simply provide the desired size in the image tag. So, instead of [[Image:OB-place-Arena.jpg]] you would type [[Image:OB-place-Arena.jpg|800px]]. More details are provided on the help page. Thanks! --Nephele^Talk 23:43, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

That makes no sense.

Sorry, I'm kinda used to the Wikipedia standards. There, you can download any picture you find and nobody will bug you about it. It works just fine for them. Thats why this site often lacks images. It's because there's to much restriction on uploading pictures. I'd like to advise the people who run this site to make a few ammends. It could really help the quality of the website. And about that screenshot. Of course that's not my picture. I only have this game for 360, I wouldn't be able to take screenshot's like that. *sigh* Kriegblitz 23:53, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

Umm, no, our standards aren't really different from wikipedia. Or any website for that matter. There are copyright laws that govern how images can and cannot be used; breaking those laws is illegal no matter who you are. As stated at wikipedia's images page:

All images on Wikipedia must comply with the image use policy. This means that they must be compatible with the conditions of the GNU Free Documentation License. In particular, images must be free for commercial use and alteration.

Or at image use policy:

Always tag your image with one of the image copyright tags. When in doubt, do not upload copyrighted images.

Images that have the creator's name stamped on them are pretty clearly copyrighted and are just as illegal on wikipedia as here.

In addition, taking products that somebody else put effort into creating, and implying that you created them yourself is plagiarism. It takes work to create images and it's reasonable to ask that you respect the work that someone else did (and that you can't do yourself) by acknowledging who did the work and giving them credit. I'm sorry that you think that the result is that this site is poor quality. I'd rather have a site that I can stand behind and be proud of how it was created, instead of feeling like I have to be ashamed of the site because we're constantly getting threatened by people whose work was stolen. --Nephele^Talk 00:46, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, you really haven't been paying attention if you think Wikipedia is more lenient about this sort of thing than we are - if anything, they're even stricter. Screenshots from games even if you take them yourself are technically copyrighted by the game developper, and while we allow them under the "fair use" licensing, that doesn't typically fly on Wikipedia. I've seen many images deleted there because of licensing issues. The only reason you may think you're getting away with it is because Wikipedia sees so many edits per day that even with as many admins as they have, nobody can possibly keep up with everything, so it may take time before anyone in authority sees the problem and takes action. But when they do, they are swift and merciless about deleting such content. If Wikipedia has more images than we do, it's simply because it has many, many more contributors. It's simply not true that you can upload whatever you want no matter where it came from. No more so there than here or anywhere else. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 01:35, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

I'm also intrigued as to what you mean by "Thats why this site often lacks images". There are NO Oblivion Pages Needing Images, NO Shivering Pages Needing Images, only five Morrowind Pages Needing Images and very few others. If you feel a page needs an image, please mark it as such so we can produce our own picture. Thanks. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 03:25, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

Ok...

Thats funny, becayse the wikipedia images page says that it's ok to use images from Google Images. And that's were I get all my pictures. What, do I have to put sitation or something?Kriegblitz 12:53, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

It says Google is acceptable as a means of searching for images, but just because an image can be found on Google does not mean it can be legally uploaded to the site, here or on Wikipedia. PLEASE STOP uploading this picture. It is copyrighted by another site, and we CANNOT allow it to be used on UESP, because it is AGAINST THE LAW. I've deleted it now for the 3rd time. Please just respect the rules of the site and keep everything legal. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 00:10, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

The Wikipedia upload page for images from websites clearly says that "The vast majority of images on the internet are not appropriate for Wikipedia" so Wikipedia's policy is very similar to ours. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 00:49, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Funny

Well, last time I checked, there were several Oblivion files and tons of Tamriel files needing images. Just saying what I saw. Not that it wouldn't have changed by now. And please don't get mad at me for trying to be helpful. That's all I'm tring to do really.Kriegblitz 13:06, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

I'm not getting mad, but there haven't been more than a few pages needing images for some time now since several users, myself included, went on an image-gathering blitz. We do still need a lot of maps, but that's a different story. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 00:49, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Also, much of what's described in the Tamriel namespace is only ever mentioned in books in the game - thus there'd be no way to add an image because no such image exists anywhere, only text descriptions. This is why the Tamriel space may appear to have fewer images than the game-specific namespaces. But we've made efforts to find images for every page where an image can be reasonably used. Are there still some pages that need images? Sure. But by and large, I feel we've done a pretty comprehensive job in ensuring that images exist on most pages wherever possible. And just because a few pages don't have images doesn't mean that we should forget about copyright law and just throw up images no matter the source. In particular, the page where you keep trying to upload that copyrighted image already has a perfectly good image on it, and one that was created by one of our users, not stolen from another website. So your argument about the site's lack of images doesn't even really apply in this case. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 12:28, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Copyright tags

Woah... What are copyright tags? And do you make those.

When you upload a file there is a dropdown marked "Licensing". Pick the copyright type from there. For all in-game shots, the "Graphic taken from the Elder Scrolls Series" option should be selected. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 00:49, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Sorry!!

Oops! Sorry for giving you guys all that trouble. I was just confused, and frankly, in a bad mood. Just please don't get too mad at me or anything. <:( Kriegblitz 20:40, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Unfortunately, you make it very hard to believe your apology when ten minutes later you upload the same copyrighted image that has already been deleted three times (make that four now) because it is illegal for UESP to host that image. The image says right in the bottom right hand corner "WAITING4OBLIVION.COM" which means it is copyrighted. Lying and saying that it's a public domain image does not change the facts. Lurlock has already explicitly asked that you stop uploading this image. We're trying to ask you nicely to stop, but if you continue to ignore our requests we'll be forced to take more extreme measures. If you are honestly interested in trying to contribute productively to UESP, please make some attempt to pay attention to what we're telling you. --Nephele^Talk 21:27, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Huh?

Truth is, I have no idea what all this copyright stuff is about! How should I know what kind of copyright it is. Most people don't know this stuff, you know. I thought when I joined this site that I just had to know stuff about Elder Scrolls, not that I had to be an expert on "copyright law". I just picked what I thought it probably was. It's not like it says below the pictures on any website that "this image is copyrighted by this policy" or whatever. Look, if you know what type of copyright thingy this is, please let me know. An bear in mind that i'm new to this. I'm still learning the ropes, ok. Thanks Kriegblitz 00:17, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Anyways, if you've seen the picture file and you know what type of copyright stuff it is please post it here. And, yes, Nephele, I'm listening to what your saying. It's just all Greek to me(sorry if any of you guys are actually greek, it's just an expression). Kriegblitz 00:23, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

I don't think we can possibly be any clearer about this than we have been. The image cannot be used because it is against the law. Plain and simple. The image is owned by another website, and using it here without permission of the owners is basically stealing. For future reference, if you didn't create the image yourself, just assume that it can't be used. The only other option is that you were given explicit permission by whoever did create the image, and even then, we'd need proof. You've been asked repeatedly to stop posting this image on the site. I don't see what's so difficult to understand about that. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 00:35, 22 June 2008 (EDT)