Lore talk:Knights of Order

Deletion Proposal

I'm sort of disagreeing with the deletion but not really... I'd turn it into a redirect into the bestiary like Golden Saint and Dark Seducer. Any other thoughts? –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 06:28, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

Hmmm, i guess that would be a better option, i don't like seeing a page completely deleted after someones put a lot of hard work into it, a redirect might not be a bad idea, Volanaro 06:30, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

I think we should turn it into a redirect, but not targeted into the bestiary, but into Shivering:Knights of Order. My other point is that I think individual pages for the Knights and Priests of Order should be created, with links from the NPCs page, like on the Oblivion Namespace. Not just redirects to Forces of Order, I'd mark that for deletion, because if we create individual pages for the Knights and Priests of Order, all that will remain is Jyggalag, and he already has his own page: Shivering:Jyggalag. As for the losing content after someone's worked on it, then we can see whats there, and put it onto the new page where nescessary. - Game Lord^{Talk|Contribs} 07:08, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

Personally i think that it would be more eficcient to keep the forces of order page and move this page to there, considering there isn't that much to be said about the forces of order, i think it makes more sense to put all the small stuff on a single page than it does to make a new page for every tiny subject. Volanaro 07:18, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

Also this page would be better suited for the shivering isles namespace, not tamriel Volanaro 07:20, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

Well we alredy an individual page for Apostle, and on the Oblivion Namespace, we have pages for every single Generic NPC, all I'm proposing is that we follow the same guidelines as we did when creating Oblivion:NPCs. - Game Lord^{Talk|Contribs} 07:24, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

There probably should be individual pages for priests and knights in SI, but there are a few things getting confused here. First, this page is in the Tamriel namespace. We don't go into very much detail here because things may change in different games. That means the focus is different; the goal is to get the Tamriel space being an in-game perspective rather than the 3rd party view of the game pages. We already have redirects for Saints and Seducers and so I believe the Knights should be handled in the same way. On the other hand, the pages in the Shivering namespace could definitely be split and expanded. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 07:44, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

The question of what should be done with the pages in the Shivering Isles namespace is basically an unrelated question. This is a Tamriel article; there needs to be some information about the Knights of the Order within the Tamriel namespace (e.g., non-game-specific information that would provide basic facts even for someone who has never played SI); this article should not redirect to a SI article. I'm not saying that work shouldn't be done on the SI articles; I'm just saying that what gets done to the SI articles has no effect on what should or should not be done here.

That said, probably the easiest answer is a redirect to Lore:Bestiary K#Knights of Order, where an entry already exists. However, it's still not an ideal solution. As discussed a little bit at Tamriel talk:Bestiary A, the bestiary currently focuses on beasts — it does not include entries for various types of NPCs, such as bandits, necromancers, etc. Golden Saints and Dark Seducers may be there, but that's potentially justifiable, because in previous games they were creatures, not NPCs. I don't know whether the distinction is worth worrying about right now, or whether it's one that we'd prefer to change in the long run. It just makes me a bit uncertain what should really be done here. --Nephele^Talk 12:06, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

For me, the question should be "Does this creature/NPC deserve its own page?" In the case of the generic knights of order, I don't think a specific page is necessary in the Tamriel namespace. As Rpeh proposed, a simple redirect to the bestiary is sufficient. Any detail pertaining to the appearance of the knights in Shivering Isles should appear on the game-specific page.

Another reason to delete this page is that (I think) for every other creature, all pages are titled in the singular, whereas this one is plural. --Gaebrial 08:36, 1 April 2008 (EDT)