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 Post subject: out of order spell
PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:47 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: out of order spell
PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:51 pm 
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The order is correct if it is based on spell hierarchy for skeletons. Possibly the code behind it (rather than the spelling) is determining placement.


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 Post subject: Re: out of order spell
PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:28 pm 
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I don't know anything about modding Oblivion on the PC, but the CSList page for our problem spell shows its name as:

Summon Ske~le~ton Champion

I guess that if:
1. The tilde appears after 'a..zA..Z' in the 'alphabetical order' sort Oblivion uses.
2. Oblivion strips out the tilde when displaying the name.

Then that would explain what's going on here?



Not sure how the tildes got in there in the first place though... :S

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 Post subject: Re: out of order spell
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https://cslist.uesp.net/index.php?game= ... ffset=1000

I think that this coding makes sense (415, 416, 417). The simple skeleton is the last in the 000aa05 series, putting it in front of the other skeletons and after scamp but headless zombie is (0x0003c414) so I don't know if it falls in front of the three big skeletons.

Summon Skeleton = 0x000aa05f
Summon Skeleton Guardian = 0x0003c415
Summon Skeleton Hero = 0x0003c416
Summon Ske~le~ton Champion = 0x0003c417


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 Post subject: Re: out of order spell
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Ding, ding, ding!! I believe that Lord Timster has determined the cause.

The tilde is decimal 126 or 0x73, second to last character in the ASCII table. Lower case l is 108 or 0x6c. That explains the order.

Why there are tildes in the name is probably lost in the mists of time. Using the link provided by Chicken Slayer (I did not know about this list), I searched for tilde and there are and with tildes. I thought Ske~le~ton looked like syllable division for word breaking, apparently the correct syllabification is skel-e-ton, but the pronunciation is ske-le-ton. I will have to look at game books and game dialog to see if any words are broken across lines.

I can imagine a developer possibly creating the Champion spell at a different time than the other Summon Skeleton spells, knows that the tildes will not be seen by the player but did not consider they would affect the sort. Hmmm, but why are there no tildes in the other two words of that spell? The spell should have been Sum~mon Skel~e~ton Cham~pi~on. Bugger!

I appreciate that y'all took the time to figure out why and to answer my query. Take care and game on.

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