User talk:TheRealLurlock/2016 07

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Individual Recipe Pages[edit]

Hey there, I'm just wondering what the goal is behind having individual pages for every recipe. All of the info on those pages is already covered in one place by the Food Recipes list, and these pages just mean double the work for someone when ZOS changes anything. Thanks! --Enodoc (talk) 16:27, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm also not convinced this is necessary. Most recipes are perfectly suited for an item table, there's no need for dozens of stubs with duplicate information. —Legoless (talk) 17:15, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
The main goal of this is to make the information consistent on multiple pages. Right now, we have information that is woefully out of date and inconsistently stored in multiple locations. These individual pages will serve as the "official" location for said info, which will be transcluded via templates (e.g. Online Recipe Link, Online Recipe Entry, yet to be created) onto the recipe and ingredient pages, much like location and other such pages. The other advantage of this will be the categories set up by this template, which can be used to find all related recipes, or recipes with similar ingredients, etc. It's occurred to me that this job might be better handled by a bot though. A bot could also easily handle updating the information when it changes in the database. Doing this with the pages as they currently are set up would be much more difficult for a bot. — TheRealLurlock (talk) 17:53, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
I don't see why the list pages can't be the ones we keep up-to-date, and the values aren't really needed anywhere else. The ingredient pages already show which recipes they're used in, so any categories would be redundant, and the table itself is the best place to find related recipes because they're all there in one place. Transcluding all of these things through templates would be unnecessary if it's just going to recreate what already exists. --Enodoc (talk) 21:38, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
They do one thing the existing pages don't. We don't have the white (non-crafted) foods documented anywhere else. See e.g. Baked_Potato. This is also an example of a page that specifies that this recipe is needed for writs. What inspired this was when I added the item links to Frost Mirriam (note that you can now see the stats on the ingredient page, not just the recipes page), and I realized it would be better if this info were stored somewhere that could be transcluded onto both the ingredient pages and the recipes page without the info being redundantly stored in two places (which would need to be both updated to agree when things changed). — TheRealLurlock (talk) 03:33, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
The page for documenting white foods is here. I can see why the fact it's used in writs might be useful to note, but that's already stated on the Provisioning Writs page anyway, which is the place where it's most useful. With the stats being available through the item link, as you say, the info is already available and up-to-date, so there's nothing that needs transcluding from anywhere else, as that would just create the redundancy that we're trying to avoid.
Putting practicality aside for a minute, we didn't have separate pages for each of the Skyrim Foods, and I thought there was a general aim to try and keep the number of individual ESO pages down (and use tables instead) wherever possible. --Enodoc (talk) 09:18, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
What's missing there is the nice side-by-side comparison of the white and green versions of the food. Also, the information is just scattered around and inconsistent between one page and the next. If I have to visit 3 or 4 separate pages to read about "Baked Potato", and they don't even agree with eachother, it's just confusing. This is an attempt to consolidate and standardize the information so that ONE page is responsible for being the correct one, while the others can borrow data from there. Skyrim was a different story, because as a single player game, they rarely (if ever) changed the values of the items. With ESO, we have roughly monthly patches, which can change all sorts of things. Given how frequently they've been adjusting the balance of food items, I think it's the only way we can reasonably keep up and make the site consistent with the values seen in the game. — TheRealLurlock (talk) 13:40, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Firemoth[edit]

Hi TRL, I undid you removal of Firemoth from the ESO page. —Legoless (talk) 18:09, 16 July 2016 (UTC)