User talk:Nephele/Archive-2008-10

update to the alchemy page

i love this whole wiki oblivion thing, im on it alot because i love the game and this helps when i need it. i noticed (or just may have missed it) on the alchemy page theres no listing of a great potion i constantly use. i have a master alembic, master calcinator, expert mortar and pestle, and a journeyman retort. my alchemy level is 59. ive found that adding venison and sacred lotus seeds makes a fantastic feather potion. the venison (from innocent deer in the wild) is always fun to hunt with my high marksman level, and sacred lotus seeds are readily accessible in the imperial city arena by the gates, in the water. mine gives me 200 feather points for 560 seconds, and has a feeble damage health 1 point for 1 sec side effect. my standard weight capacity is the mid 500s, and by taking just 2 of these it goes up to 977 or so. please list this on the alchemy page if not already listed. it works wonders for treasure hunting and hauling back plenty of armor and weapons!! hello free money! and major thx to the ppl who run this whole thing. the detail is amazing.

-mike

The magnitude and duration of a potion have nothing to do with which ingredients you use; they're controlled by your skill level and your equipment quality. So there's no reason to recommend specifically venison and sacred lotus seeds for making Feather potions. In fact, many players would recommend against those specific ingredients. Many other combinations will have no negative side effects. Furthermore, venison is one of the heaviest possible ingredients, so the resulting potions will be unusually heavy. And sacred lotus seeds can only be used once you reach Journeyman level in alchemy. So I don't see any reason to add that potion to the Useful Potions page -- either under Feather Potions or Apprentice Recipes. --Nephele^Talk 19:37, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

Hello

Hia, I've been looking around the wiki, and, after seeing your userpage, I read that you live in Santa Cruz. I live in Watsonville, y'know, that city next to Santa Cruz? A pleasure to meet (Hrm, I suppose meet would be the right word) you.--Jakis 18:33, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

Hi, neighbour. Welcome to the site :) --Nephele^Talk 19:22, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

Archiving

I'm getting into archiving discussions on pages outside of the AN and CP (after blatantly realizing that the big (huge) namespace reorganization topic wasn't listed in the archives cause it took place on UESPWiki_talk:Namespaces page). But, what should the prefix for those pages be? Or no prefix at all? Or simply a TALK prefix to show that it was on some talk page? If using the latter, the exact page name would still appear in the archive header. Vesna 22:18, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

What I suggested at Archive is "Other". I'm not particularly attached to that prefix, but it's what's been used already in a few cases, and nobody has said that it needs to be changed. --Nephele^Talk 19:21, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

Mucianus Allias is a Creature?

Mucianus Allias from the Mages Guild quest...

Command Creature + Humanoid up to lvl. 25 works on him. Why? I don't get it. He looks quite undead...

Traven does say "And there was nothing you could do for him?" I've always doubted that he was simply ignorant.

I did read the discussion page. And someone else was asking you the same question but no mentioning of commanding it. 100% spell effectiveness wouldn't matter when it comes to commanding Undead... But I'm commanding it. It has my character's name on it, and he is following me.

A "Worm Thrall" I've read every detail on that as well. But what I want to know is, since I have Command Creaure and Humanoid combined in a single spell; which is working on hum? Anything in the construction set?

No NPC version of Mucianus Allias exist right? But he will not attack any NPC. (Summoned Dremora that turned hostile, Reanimated NPC, or its corrupted clone etc.) A friendly NPC will not attack him either. I wabbajaked him, turned him into a troll so he can follow me out the ruin. (he can't be a NPC if I can use the Wabbjak) The Scull of Corruption will not work on him, and even if I kill him/it, I cannot reanimate him with Risen Flesh so he is definetly not a NPC.

Casting Turn Undead on him just makes him turn hostile. Command Humanoid (I only have up to lvl 9) and Creature (up to lvl 12) neither will work. Frenzy (the custom spell I described that works on a guard and Saints/Seducers) also works on Mucianus. I don't get it.

His soul will fill up the Azura's Star first, if I drop it, then an empty Grand Soul Gem, if I not then the Black Soul Gem. (Basically in reverse order)

Sorry to be so freaken technical and detailed but is he a creature? because he is not a NPC or Undead. Is this a bug or an easter egg of some sort? --Webdemon00 20:56, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Yes, he's a creature. Which is why his page is a creature page, with a creature infobox, and is listed in all of the various creature categories such as Oblivion-Creatures-All. Specifically, he's a creature of the undead variety which, again, is why his infobox says he's undead and why his page is listed in the appropriate category. It's not "is he undead or is he a creature?" He's both, just like every other creature listed on the Undead page.

I don't see why there's any confusion over his status, and in particular I don't see why any of your gameplay experience suggests otherwise. Everything you say is completely consistent with him being an undead creature. --Nephele^Talk 21:31, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Thanks, this was the answer I was looking for. Except it still doesn't explain why Turn Undead will not force him to flee rather than become even more aggressive. But your comment on the Frenzy discussion, First of all; I wasn't asking a question. But you made a pointless comment that from my perspective and in my opinion; made you seem like you don't know what you are talking about. Yet here, you obviously have proven to me that you are in fact very knowledgable and are helpful. Which suggests either I'm a bad writer and you didn't really understand what I wrote there (I am a horrible writer that is a fact but) OR since your comment on Frenzy discussion page was not only unnecessary and irrelevant however was a false claim; your intent was to discredit my findings. I have yet to come to this conclusion but I will wait and see. ("Intent" is a legal term. Just so you understand.) --Webdemon00 08:15, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

I've read your comment on my talk page, please see my response as I do not wish to discuss it here. You can email me at "nomedbewATaolDOTcom"--Webdemon00 11:23, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

I haven't made any comments in the Frenzy discussion, and I haven't made any comments on your talk page. Making completely baseless accusations isn't a good way to thank someone for taking the time to answer your questions. --Nephele^Talk 12:30, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

Edits like this and this aren't acceptable. Telling people their edits are pointless or that they should do their "job" (if somebody wants to pay me for this, I'd be glad to accept) is just going to annoy.

The responsibility of any site user is to post accurate, verified content, and various people have been trying to point out problems in what you have posted. Your efforts to improve the site are appreciated, but please learn to do it in a less confrontational way. –Rpeh•T•C•E• 09:27, 13 October 2008 (EDT)'' You didn't write this? And why would you call it an accusation? — Unsigned comment by Webdemon00 (talk • contribs) on 13 October 2008

Notice that the quote you just copied is signed by Rpeh, whereas I am Nephele, which is why this talk page is User talk:Nephele not User talk:Rpeh. And that's also why my posts are signed with my name rather than rpeh's name. All of which are pretty significant clues that two different people are making posts. So, yes, I think it's fair to call it a false accusation when you state that I'm making "unnecessary" and "irrelevant" comments or that my statement was a "false claim" or that my "intent was to discredit [your] findings." Making such statements about any editor would be unnecessary and inflammatory accusations, which would do nothing to help reach a mutually acceptable consensus about what edits need to be made to a wiki article. They're even more inappropriate when you carry your biases from one discussion into another, completely unrelated discussion with a different person. --Nephele^Talk 20:15, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

OHH man, I am VERY sorry. Please do delete whatever I wrote; I'm very sorry man. I sincerely had no idea... And you are 100% right... You are right in every way, seriously, sorry I'm laughing at my own foolish mistake here. I'm leaving so it will never happen again. I'm sorry Nephele. Btw. do you have any idea why this kid's waiting for the very next thing I write? When all this time, I was complaining to you about what he did, and he had no idea but he kept on with his harrassment why did he care so much about what I had to say? He could just deleted what I wrote, and I've even made it clear that, that's what I wanted... Again, I'm very sorry. This had nothing to do with you. My bad, seriously. Sorry buddy; honest mistake. And good bye, as well as good luck. Take care--Webdemon00 20:25, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

Umm... Why does Turn Undead make him angry? The only possible reason I could think of would be that the spell was a too low level. 173.32.11.67 21:24, 27 October 2008 (EDT) (Helper Unknown)

IRC java client

Hey. I'm just wondering if that web client is costing you anything or if you have to maintain it. I think I know a way to get a better one, I just need to ask my friend the details. --Timmeh ^Talk 09:18, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

No, it doesn't cost me anything. There are a lot of improvements that could be made to the existing client, without any need to move it to a new host. And if it were to be moved, I'd say it really should be moved to UESP's server (for example, that should allow possibilities such as setting the default login name to match the user's wiki name). But if there are other features that require a different java client, those could be explored, too. --Nephele^Talk 20:40, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Are we cool now?

Hi Nephele, As you may be aware ive been semi-active for some time on here and trying to get a few real life problems sorted out. But while im at it there is something that i would like to sort out here. I am aware that i may have said some things in the past that have caused you aggravation, if any of this has not been resolved could you please let me know what needs doing to sort it out and i will do my best to get it done. Obviously i do apologise for any times ive just been a nuisance to you (my condition does not exactly help matters and as i have said, polite conversation has never been my strongpoint) i just hope we can get along from now on and i hope i have not taken up too much of your time. Thanks for everything --Volanaro ^T•C•E 11:08, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

I wasn't aware that there was anything that needing resolving and I apologize if I gave you the impression that there were problems that needed to be sorted out. There may have been a couple of specific issues that I brought up on your talk page, but that doesn't mean that there were any more general issues, and definitely doesn't have any implications for my opinion of you as a person. I made the comments so that you could learn from your experience, and from everything I've seen you have taken any suggestions to heart and learned to make better wiki contributions. That's all I could ask for :) --Nephele^Talk 20:40, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Glad to hear it, the only reason i was worrying really was because of incidents like this (as far as i am awarer this particular issue was resolved but i was wondering if there had been any similar incidents) still, if alls well between us then thats certainly a relief :) --Volanaro ^T•C•E 08:14, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

PGE

Hey, Neph! Thanks for those fixes on the PGEs. I'm checking the books that are in the OB CS, but I don't have the PGE, and can't check any of the other games' texts. Let me know if you notice anything else, so I can re-check to see if they need links, if you don't mind. See ya around! --GuildKnight^Talk2me 21:45, 23 October 2008 (EDT)