User talk:Nephele/Archive-2008-06

Approaching whack of UOP tags and other edits from me...

As you're away until June 4th I probably won't start until then (well, maybe will start on the 3rd), but I'm about to release Unofficial Oblivion Patch v3.0.0, an update (probably the last big release) that took five months, so there's a lot in it. I've harvested every bug I could from the Wiki and fixed all of them possible, so I'll be tagging like mad and making many other related edits once it's out. I'm just awaiting feedback from the beta testers that it's a go, and it will probably be out tomorrow. It's too late tonight for it.

Just so you know. :^) --- Kivan 23:53, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

I haven't had much time for patrolling lately, but I'm planning on taking the day off that day due to a planned power outage in the neighbourhood that morning, so if all goes well and the power's back up that afternoon, I'll be available to help patrol the influx of changes from Kivan. --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 00:02, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

TOCleft

Hehe, let me explain then. The main problem TOC left causes is layout breaks and ungodly amounts of whitespace. The <div> was created as a test and workaround, to see how pages flow with the floating TOC. So far it looks good, maybe we can implement that feature into the general TOC, after a round on input. Rpeh just looked at Tamriel:Vvardenfell and it looked good to him. --Benould^•T•C 13:49, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Plain TOCs (e.g., inserted with __TOC__) add whitespace. But the whole reason for using the TOCleft template instead of a plain TOC is that it creates a floating table. See, for example, the documentation provided for TOCleft. And on the pages where I've deleted the extra div commands I've seen absolutely no change on the page before versus after the deletion. So I'm still not sure why an extra layer of div is necessary. --Nephele^Talk 13:55, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Benould, yes I thought it looked fine but I hadn't realised what you'd done. Nephele's absolutely right (and is anybody surprised?) - if you're using TOCleft you don't need the div. I'm not sure what you mean about the whitespace. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 14:00, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

My bad, the issue is the plain TOC, which have tons of, not TOCleft. I did not know that TOCleft created the floating behavior, there is of course no need for div in this case then. The problematic pages are these, f.eks. UESPWiki:Getting_Started and talk pages like Oblivion_talk:Oblivion as an extreme example. Thanks for your help. --Benould^•T•C 14:05, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

The Oblivion_talk:Oblivion problem is just because there's a long header. As for UESPWiki:Getting_Started, I'm not sure what you mean. - Game Lord^{Talk|Contribs} 14:08, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

I mean TOC is the main culprit of bad page layout, and uncontrollable behavior, since every monitor is different. I might have grabbed my examples in haste, if you want, i can generate a long list instead ;) Does full screens of TOC before the main text, or half pages of TOC after an intro sentence not bother anyone else? --Benould^•T•C 14:14, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Well, if you want a completely insane example, it's here. It's annoying, but I personally don't get to bothered by it. - Game Lord^{Talk|Contribs} 14:17, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

(Outdent) This is what the Tamriel:Vvardenfell page looked like before I made the float change, you tell me which one works better. --Benould^•T•C 14:25, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Errr, to me they look exactly the same. Maybe it's just a problem with your monitor size? Or your browser's resolution? - Game Lord^{Talk|Contribs} 14:28, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Saying that I'm not sure why we're adding redundant formatting commands isn't the same as saying that I don't think there are layout issues related to TOCs. The basic fact that we do have multiple problems with TOCs is the whole reason why I imported the TOClimit, TOCright, and TOCleft templates. It's also the rationale behind the effort to make changes like this one where an introductory paragraph or sentence is added on all pages. However, we've only had the TOC templates available for the last six months of this wiki's life, so nobody has gone through to find every obscure page such as UESPWiki:Log and evaluate how to improve the TOC on those pages. Anyone who would like to is welcome to do so. As for general questions about whether to change the default CSS formatting for table of contents, I don't think my talk page is the place to start a discussion about an issue to which the whole community should be able to contribute. --Nephele^Talk 14:31, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

And as for Vvardenfell.... Yes, the TOC layout on an old version of the page, such as this, added extra white space. But all that I've been trying to say is that there is no difference between the two most recent versions of the page, namely 305207 and 305512 -- because the extra div around the TOC is redundant. I'm not trying to say that we should go back to a version of the page without any TOCleft command. --Nephele^Talk 14:37, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Totally agree, Nephele, I only responded here because of your question in your edit summaries. Maybe this discussion can be moved now and rephrased? As to doing the work, i've been tweaking offending TOCs ever since copy-editing Oblivion:Traps. In fact, the TOC layout issues prompted the concept of the navbar ;) I'd say it is a worthwhile discussion. GameLord, you might have to refresh your browser cache. --Benould^•T•C 14:44, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Blocked?!?

When I logged on [the internet] there was a message that said my IP address was blocked for vandalism! I assure you I have no idea what is happening. I believe I have edited two or three times in the past month or so, but I hadn't intended to spam! I believe I posted something in the Umbra page [oblivion, weapon], but when I found out it was wrong I went to delete it, but it was already gone. The other thing I remember posting was a tip for new theives, but it was just a tip [I suggested stealing the Varla stone from Castle Cheydinhal], and I NEVER [because I always forget] typed ANYTHING in the description [wich I know I should but as mentioned before, I forget]. Please, I have no clue how this happened. I'll log out and see if you included examples, so I can see if it is indeed what I did... [p.s. , I have no clue why it says "well aint that a turkey samich"] well aint that a turkey samich 17:32, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

It looks like you connect through AOL. Which means that every time you connect to the internet, you are assigned a new random IP address. In the past that IP address has been used by thousands of other AOL users. Some of whom have been known to vandalize UESP, necessitating a warning or even block. That warning/block is added to the IP address, because that's the only way we have to identify anonymous editors. If you're logged in to your account, warnings/blocks on the IP address should not affect you in any way, because then the site will recognize you as an editor. If anything that you had done had been a problem, a message would have been posted on your user talk page, again, because we'd recognize you as an editor rather than an anonymous IP. In short, you're not in any trouble ;) You just saw somebody else's message.

Given that the IP that gave the message was an AOL address, any blocks on that IP are probably obsolete. However, I can't fix the problem without knowing what the IP address was that you used (information that would have been provided in the message that you got). There are millions of AOL IP addresses, so guessing that you were connected through AOL isn't really enough information to figure out which one of those millions caused the problem. If you notice any such messages in future, feel free to me let know (and FYI, the IP address is a number looking something like "64.12.117.72").

As for the turkey samich message, that's showing up because you modified your preferences. On the "my preferences" page, there's a box that says "Signature". I'm betting if you look in that box, you'll see the text "well aint that a turkey samich". You can delete or modify the text (a more usual setting for the box would simply be "Sublymonal"), then hit Save. --Nephele^Talk 17:50, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

Videos

This is a silly question, but is there a way to embed videos on the site? It'd be interesting to give game guides or miscellaneous things on the site? I saw it on Bioshock Wiki and found it interesting. Oh, and sorry for not moving the page the correct way, I forgot about that for a second, I need to take a chance to relax. Anyway, thanks.-Puddle 18:35, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

It's only possible if a wiki extension is installed. UESP has not installed any video-related extensions, and I'm not sure offhand whether it's a capability we want on UESP. --Nephele^Talk 18:46, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Like I said, I just wanted to know if it was a Wiki code thing, I just found it intersting.-Puddle 19:25, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Userbox

Have you seen the new userbox on my page, I hope it helps explain some iof my strange/idiotic behaviour. --Volanaro 13:13, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Welcome to the club, Volanaro...though admittedly, mine is mild compared to most. --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 15:51, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Delete me

Hello! I was wondering if you could delete/block/whatever this account, as well as remove anything I may have posted. I am quitting this wiki, but there's a secondary reason behind it, which I am keeping hush hush right now (hint; new net provider, new ip, therefore, new start) Thanks! ImmortalKaine 02:12, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Sorry, but wiki accounts cannot be deleted. The wiki keeps a permanent record of all edits that have ever been made to articles, so that there is a complete record of who has contributed. Your contributions cannot just be deleted, and therefore your account cannot be either, because the edits you have made need to have a name attached to them. If you want, the account can be permanently blocked, but there isn't really any advantage gained by doing that. --Nephele^Talk 03:00, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Well that's not good. I'm trying to get any traces of ImmortalKaine wiped out, for in the next 2-3 days, I will be getting a new internet provider, and with that, comes the chance for me to begin anew. Oh well. Blockings good enough for now. Deleting my pages works too :D ImmortalKaine 03:04, 25 June 2008 (EDT)