Skyrim talk:Urag gro-Shub

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Glories and Laments bug[edit]

Having an issue with turning in the book " Glories and Laments ". For some reason Mr gro-Shub doesnt realize I had already found the book before he asked for it. Playing on the PS3 with no other problems whatsoever to this point. Any advice or suggestions would be extremely appreciated. Thanks! 01:27, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm having the same problem already found the book before I got the quest but there is no option to turn it in. I'm playing on PC and I've tried kill and resurrect in the command console but came up with nothing. I also can't sell the elder scroll I found during Discerning the Transmundance to him. Noyman29 22:43, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
This is a common bug when returning one of the three books to him, i can't return "Cleansing of the Fane" because i found it beforehand. I've tried using the console to remove the book from my inventory and adding another one and picking it up from the empty chest, but that doesn't work. Can anyone find the quest id and stage for acquiring each book? It should work if you do the right "setstage (questid) (stage)".--Bonabopn 20:35, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
This can be fixed by typing "setstage mgr20b 20"
I guessed 20 for the stage and it works, but the way to search for what quest it is is to type "help mgr 0" in console, it searches for ALL (the 0 part) of any script that contains MGR, then you can use pg up and pg down to search for the relevant quest and such. — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 01:25 on 29 November 2011
It may sound strange, but he really does not want your earlier copy of the book. He wants you to do his little quest of going to a random dungeon/location, opening the chest, and taking the book, which was randomly chosen from list 4, so that the quest is updated. He then will accept that copy since it is marked as a quest item. Kalevala 05:18, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
That's not the case. Following the mission pointer leaves you confronted with an empty chest with no book. Cannot remove the quest item from the inventory to fill and take again. PS3. ---- SV — Unsigned comment by (talk) on 4 April 2012
Yo, SV. I've done this repeatable quest more than a dozen times on the PC. It works as indicated. Can you provide the circumstances surrounding the glitch. Some questions come to mind: Was the chest empty but you still got the desired book as a quest item? Was it in your inventory and not a quest item prior to finding the chest? By "inventory" do you actually mean "quest list" since you say "to fill and take again" and might you have meant "to fulfill/complete the quest and try it again." Was there the little arrow mission pointer just above the chest, because the real chest may be behind the wall behind the chest you opened? Kalevala 17:33, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

() Already collected book from same chest in previous separate mission. Urag sent the character to same dungeon, was already cleared and no bad guys or chests had respawned. There is one chest only, the same chest, the arrow does not clear. You cannot drop the book (that I already had) from your inventory as it is a quest item. SV---- — Unsigned comment by (talk) on 4 April 2012

Read the Bug section of Fetch Me That Book which explains how to get out of your predicament on the PC. Sorry, no work around seems to exist for gaming consoles. Kalevala 16:34, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Reference to the Ultimate Heist from Oblivion.[edit]

When talking to him about the elder scroll during Elder Knowledge he mentions that if they had an elder scroll it would be kept under the highest security, and that not even the greatest thief in the world could lay a finger on it, this is clearly a reference to the quest in oblivion where you, the greatest thief in the world, steal an elder scroll from the imperial palace. Just thought it was an interesting little nod to Oblivion. SneakyPenguin77 (also my Gamertag) 05:27, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Souls, Black and White fix[edit]

If you've already found the book "Souls, Black and White" before Urag gave you the quest to get it, type in: setstage mgr20 20

This will complete the part where you needed to have found the book in the chest, and will allow you to proceed to giving the book to Urag. — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 22:45 on 26 November 2011

I had a book with another name (didn't remember, something with "Wolf Queen 6"), and "setstage mgr20 20" worked for it too. — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 06:22 on 27 November 2011
It worked for me as well with "Brothers of Darkness". - 22:45, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
Well it worked for me kinda, I'm at the next stage of the quest but still have not the dialog option to hand in the book to him... — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 21:05 on 10 December 2011
how do you fix the glitch of having the book before the quest begins if you have PS3? — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 18:21 on 8 December 2011

Urag gro-Shub[edit]

so im at the part of the elder knowledge quest where youre supposed to find out where the scroll is from urag and its not in the topic menu. is this a bug or do i need to do something for him to activate the dialogue — Unsigned comment by Iacles (talkcontribs) at 23:58 on 10 December 2011

GREAT QUESTION! im having the same problem did you find an answer? — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 15:20 on 19 February 2012
9 years later responding to this, but I'll like to share my experience with this particular bug while I'm playing Skyrim -a second time- in these days:
In order to avoid breaking quests or having minimal bugs (playing in PS4), I've been doing first ALL the Miscellaneous quests & Side quests, buying houses & land, then doing Faction quests (Dark Brotherhood the last of them) along with Daedric quests... and AFTER ALL THAT, THEN playing the Main & Civil War quests.
With this way of play, I left the "Discerning the Transmundane" as the last of the daedric quests... and I totally forgot this quest is intrinsically tied to the main quest "Elder Knowledge". So, when I was going to start "A Cornered Rat", I went directly to Septimus Sign's post, started Discerning & finished it AND I DIDN'T RECOLLECT THE ELDER SCROLL, because I read here that the Scroll won't disappear, and I didn't want to carry it...
The thing is, when I do "The Throat of the World" quest, Paarthurnax tells me to talk to Urag gro-Shub, and I had the idea that Urag gro-Shub would just tell me "Yes, go to the Tower of Mzark it should be there" lol... but when I went to him, even when he has the pointer on, he won't say anything & I'll be stuck with the "Talk to Urag gro-Shub" in my diary. The good thing is I had saved before starting "The Throat of the World", so reloaded, entered to the Tower of Mzark, retrieved the elder scroll (which I should've done before, or remembered I shouldn't have started "Discerning the Transmundane" before time) & with the Scroll with me the "Elder Knowledge" quest just automatically updated...
(Since I reloaded and I didn't try to go to recollect the Elder Scroll directly after trying to talk with Urag gro-Shub, I don't know if the quest would have updated, maybe it could have been...)
TLDR: If you start the "Discerning the Transmundane" quest before the "Elder Knowledge" quest, ALWAYS RECOLLECT THE ELDER SCROLL, otherwise, you'll have this bug.
Or, just don't start the "Discerning the Transmundane" quest before the "Elder Knowledge" quest. — Unsigned comment by AudreyGally (talkcontribs) at 16:19 on 30 Apr 2020‎ (edited to add format & sign) Audrey Gally talk 16:04, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Urag won't take books issue... (PS3)[edit]

He wouldn't accept the books, then I completed the Staff of Magnus quest and then went to him with the books, and he accepted them finally. 00:33, 3 January 2012 (UTC)Holmesgrown

Yes, he has no dialogue options after stage 20 of "Containment" saying "We never should have brought that thing here" The local map marker did not show up from "Hitting the Books." There was an active marker above his head, and one showing "Hitting the Books" in the door-exit active-quest marker-list, however.--Lmstearn (talk) 13:11, 6 April 2014 (GMT)
Confirming that during "The Staff of Magnus" quest, Urag will not say anything to Player other than "Do you think Ancano knew all along what the eye was capable of?" --Lmstearn (talk) 14:02, 8 April 2014 (GMT)

Store inventory.[edit]

Since Urag is the only specialised book merchant (that I know of), I was wondering how useful he is to someone wanting to collect every available book. Perhaps a list of the books he does/doesn't stock would be an appropriate addition to this page. Just a thought. Ste V B ( 14:47, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Urag's stock is randomly reset with a certain number of books from each of the lists (0,1,2,3, & 4.) If you were willing to visit him often enough you could eventually buy every book off of those lists. ( Lists ) Kalevala 05:07, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


The character table says he will sell random items from the buys list, which is spell tomes and books, but I've never seen him selling a spell tome. I'm going to change it, post here if there are any objections. --Kotekzot 13:58, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

I just confirmed it in the Construction Kit. All he sells are books, not spell tomes. Robin Hoodtalk 07:13, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Urag gro-Shub's Age[edit]

When talking to the Orcish librarian in the College of Winterhold by prompting him with the phrase "You take your work very seriously" he states "Of course I do, if I didn't most of these books would have been burned to ashes or dissolved to nothing before the Third Era. Mages need to be reminded to be careful around research materials." On searching for this in google I only found one other page of someone noticing this line. Either this line is a mistake or this orc was responsible for taking care of these books over 635 years ago... Bushwhacker 14:56, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

He has two other noteworthy lines of dialogue, it seems; "Hundreds of years have gone into assembling this collection. It's going to stay pristine, understand?", and "We've been keeping this collection since the Second Era. Books have come and gone during that time, but it's mostly intact." This does beg the question - how old must he be? Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 15:27, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Or, and I know this is a long shot, maybe he's just the most recent caretaker and happens to take his job seriously. 11:33, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
"A leader of the Psijics, Rite Master Iachesis, apparently led them throughout the entire First Era (about three thousand years), giving some indication of the potential longevity of the Altmer." Altmer Longevity
Orcs are also called Orsimer. "The Orcs were supposedly created when the Daedric Prince Boethiah defeated the Aldmeri god Trinimac, transforming him into Malacath and his faithful, the Orsimer, into Orcs." Orc Origins
So Orcs are the transformed descendents of mer, specifically of the Aldmeri of the Aldmeri Dominion who occupied the provinces of Sommerset Isles and Valenwood. Orc Ancestors It is not surprising then that they have seemingly inherited the longevity of their forebears. Kalevala 07:18, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
Remember when the archmage Savos Aren said "What you have learned here will last you a lifetime. Several, if you are skilled enough" He long age most likely have to do with magic 03:34, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Magic seems to have an effect on the ageing process. In Morrowind there is a Dunmer who's lived 4,000 years. In Oblivion people constantly mention how Janus Hassildor, being such a powerful sorceror, must outlive his peers and be quite lonely. Even considering that he was, in fact, an ageless vampire, it stands to reason that people assumed his longevity (elder residents of Skingrad recalling that he's reigned their whole lives) comes from practising magic because it's fairly standard for great mages to live for centuries. It must have quite a bit to do with how powerful the mage is, as Savos Aren qualifies "several [lifetimes] if you're talented". Nonetheless, I'm thinking it's an oversight on the part of the editors that Urag's comments imply he's that old. Savos is considerably powerful, but only about 120 years old considering his comments about being an apprentice when a Psijic monk advised the old Arch-Mage; surely Urag, having a strong head for administration and able to conjure up "angry atronachs", would have been a more likely candidate for Arch-Mage when the position became vacant. Provost (talk) 07:43, 13 February 2013 (GMT)

Bring ancient falmer tome to urag-gro shub[edit]

So I have found two anicents texts, my friend said he found a third. I do not know how many exactly there are. I didnt think of writing down were i found them. Except they were in the vale. I think we should go ahead and add this under quests he is in. as well as start putting where these are. They seem to be fixed when me and my friend exchanged what we did remember. — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 21:48 on 5 July 2012

Quest page added at Forgotten Vale Books Quest, linked from his page now. Feel free to add information, as it's a very basic page for now! ABCface 06:31, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Sic removed[edit]

There is nothing grammatically wrong with this subjunctive mood sentence expressing a conditional:

"All this knowledge might have been lost, were it not for you."

I see no need for a [sic] notation, meaning "thus", which is used to indicate some kind of error was there in the original.

Note: "all" versus "all of" can be found at: <delete the spaces to link there> Subjunctive mood to express conditionals and the use of might can also be researched by anyone interested. Kalevala (talk) 20:47, 22 August 2014 (GMT)

The sic was on the words 'might have' asking not to use the shortened version of might've, which is not an appropriate usage seeing as they are the same thing. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 21:28, 22 August 2014 (GMT)
"Might have" and "might've" are both appropriate usage, but the second one is not actually used! The second is a contraction of the first, but, Urag, sounds as though he is saying: "might have". The visible sub-title uses: "might have". Thus, "might've" is something of a red-herring, since it never occurs in the original, let alone its not being erroneous. A [sic], (Latin for "thus") is used to denote an error: "this error was found in the original - thus". Since there is no error in the original it is not required here. Thanks for removing it. Kalevala (talk) 22:21, 23 August 2014 (GMT)