Online talk:Summerset

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Zone name[edit]

The name of this zone is actually just Summerset, without the "Isle" part. This means that once this is definitely confirmed on live, it should be moved to Online:Summerset, while the page about the chapter should probably be moved to Online:Summerset (chapter) or something (the same way it is done with the Clockwork City). With the sheer amount of references to these pages, it'd probably be wise to employ a bot for that move... --Vordur Steel-Hammer (TINV1K) 06:19, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Indeed. We can't just keep ignoring this inconvenience, and I would suggest we get it done sooner rather than later. Probably worth getting the bot ready to go so all we need go do on the day is get someone to confirm it so we can press the button. --Enodoc (talk) 17:41, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
I've added a rename proposal tag. —Legoless (talk) 19:24, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
In support of rename prior to release. Fullertontalk﴿ 05:31, 17 May 2018 (UTC)


So what about subzones? Summerset doesn’t have subzones yet (or will it?). Plus Artaeum is not a part of Summerset zone, so it should be probably moved to „Other zones“. —YourGene (talk) 04:48, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Concur with YourGene on Artaeum. Per subzones: It may be the case that the Abyssal Anchor names signify Subzones, as each seems to correspond to the geographical location of a settlement. Fullertontalk﴿ 05:31, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
The concept of subzones was apparently phased out with One Tamriel and zones released since then have lacked any true subzones. Summerset seems to continue this practice (I think any official subzones would have been documented by now), but because unofficial subzones based on geographical distinctions were selected for Wrothgar and Vvardenfell here, the same could be done for Summerset. With no obvious alternatives, the Abyssal Anchor names might be the best premise to run with if we opt to do so. Croaker (talk) 06:00, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
I'm afraid it wouldn't be that easy. In Wrothgar, subzones were clearly distinguished by different biomes, and in Vvardenfell by both biomes and the subzones' borders from TES 3. In Summerset, there seems to be nothing that could be used to distinguish subzones. The Abyssal Geysers are just named after nearby locations, which can even be names of the world bosses, and even if we based the subzones on them, there'd immediately be a problem with determination which subzone a given location belongs to - we'd have to make up arbitrary borders between them, which would be too much of a stretch. So unless there are some subzones defined in lore (that is, Summerset lorebooks), then I don't think the zone can be reasonably divided. --Vordur Steel-Hammer (TINV1K) 06:22, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
It was a thought. Going through the Online:Summerset Scrolls transcribed thus far, they don't mention any subzones, not even in books like Online:Our Blessed Isles: A Guide where it would make sense. Without subzones, Summerset would belong in the "Other" section of the nav template with Artaeum. Croaker (talk) 07:34, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
Honestly, subzones were phased out long before One Tamriel - they're an artifact leftover from beta, when they were actually another layer of maps. They persist in only 2 factors: Each subzone has one Dolmen, and one 3rd of the zone's main quest. (Note the zone quests that award a skill point are the ending quest for each subzone.) It's not at all surprising that this concept doesn't cleanly apply to DLC and chapter zones added after the game's initial release.
Also, it's worth noting that Artaeum was initially part of the Summerset Isles. It's been moved to its own pocket-dimension now, but originally it was just an ordinary island on Nirn. This differentiates it from, say, Coldharbour or the Clockwork City, which were never part of Nirn. — TheRealLurlock (talk) 15:52, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
The main island of Summerset Isles is the actual Summerset zone. In fact, Artaeum was part of the Summerset Isles, but it's not part of the Summerset zone technically (particularly on ESO). So I guess we should move it to "Other zones." —YourGene (talk) 16:18, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
The only two names that I could find that are possible sub-zones are the Oleander Coast and Diren Valley. The former comes from a building in Alinor called Oleander Coast Winery and the latter comes from the Direnni Acropolis loading screen. Oleander could be everything from Alinor to Rellenthil. While everything in Diren Valley could be everything north from Eldbur Ruins. The way I see it is that Summerset Isle would be divided in multiple ways, like how Vvardenfell has more than three. The Eton Nir area and base could be a zone all on its own, albeit inaccessible. Also, sometimes wayshrines are named after the sub-zones, Boralis and West Gash are two examples of this, but using that is a stretch. --Vincentius1 (talk) 16:35, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
For what it's worth, this old alpha map shows a line through Summerset separating the southern 3rd of the island from the rest of it. No labels are given however, and a lot of the southern section is not accessible in-game, so it's not necessarily all that useful for division. (Incidentally, we should really have that map on the site somewhere, there's a lot of interesting info on there.) — TheRealLurlock (talk) 16:59, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
Subzones are definitely out of the question – they are well and truly defunct. The discussion therefore is about whether Summerset has any identifiable Regions, and I would say not because we have nothing to base them on in-game. The only thing that may provide region names now is the Prima Game Guide for Summerset, if it has a similar setup/layout to the Morrowind guide, which included the regions of Vvardenfell. Regarding Artaeum – I think that is correct as it currently is, being listed within the Summerset section. While it is indeed its own distinct zone, it is clear by the fact that its quests are labelled "Summerset" (and not "Artaeum") that Summerset is considered its parent zone, and that Artaeum is not independent. --Enodoc (talk) 21:00, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
Update: Based on this picture, "regions" have been defined either for or by Prima, but they are still unnamed. --Enodoc (talk) 21:01, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

() The link gives an error message telling the server does not allow hotlinking to such types of files. It would be nice if you could link to the page it is found? —MortenOSlash (talk) 21:38, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Forgive the apparent silliness of the question, but does Summerset Isle really need to be split by region? I haven't been able to play any of it yet being on PS4, but there doesn't appear to be any significant difference between the amount of locations here and the other major new zones (Vvardenfell and Wrothgar). The subzone pages aren't really that useful anyway, as the Zone pages include all the locations and quests already. A split between Summerset Isle and Artaeum "sub-zones" seems sufficient. PS: the primagames forbid hotlinking. The above image shows the southeast section of the isle, calling it both Southeast and Region 4. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 21:56, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
It might work if you click and then just refresh. Otherwise, it's here: --Enodoc (talk) 22:02, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Belport Run[edit]

I keep wondering why Belport Run is here in the ON:Summerset#Unmarked Locations section? I tried to access this small island but failed - it seems to be inaccessible for me. I suppose it's just the same as Sheogorad in Vvardenfell? I hope there's some quest on the main island that requires us to go to Belport Run... —YourGene (talk) 14:42, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

I just checked the lang file and "Belport" does not show up at all. Not sure how to edit it out of the map. Lady Nerevar (talk) 01:53, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
It's not called that in-game, but Belport Run is a location in TES Arena, it's that island, it's like the inaccessible ruins on Vvardenfell.--Vincentius1 (talk) 02:48, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Except that it's a coastal town in Arena, not an island. And, unless it's specifically referenced in ESO as being named Belport Run, it shouldn't be labeled such on an ESO map. Otherwise we can start charting all sorts of hypothetical locations.
Vvardenfell's ruins are located where they were in TES3 and are listed on their own special "out of bounds locations" page.Lady Nerevar (talk) 03:13, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
I agree that unless there is some book, dialogue, or other source (developer saying so) that it is pure speculation to assume Belport Run is the name of an island. I'm not sure we can even say the town did or did not exist during the time of ESO because the island is inaccessible and there's a possibility it is there. —Dillonn241 (talk) 05:11, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

() Many locations were listed here pre-release, and removed afterwards when it was clear they dont really appear or are accessible etc. I guess we can remove Belport Run, too, then? Tib (talk) 09:35, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Your discussion is a little late; I have already removed it some three weeks ago along with other locations that don't actually appear. However, these locations still have to be removed from the map, which I don't have credentials to edit (which is strange because I used to have them). --Vordur Steel-Hammer (TINV1K) 09:57, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
I removed it from the ESO map. Vordur, you can request to have the Cartographer role added so that you can edit the map again. The security was changed so that random people couldn't go in and vandalize it. —Dillonn241 (talk) 10:27, 24 June 2018 (UTC)