Online talk:Madam Firilanya

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Tables[edit]

The current page is only half-done and seems pretty messy in the current table format. I don't think using tables for this article would improve readability if the current ones are anything to go by. I'm also having trouble understanding the order of the messages, specifically the first two tables. They seem to be out-of-context and unfinished copies of other sections. —Legoless (talk) 18:38, 15 January 2015 (GMT)

A linear table might help (ie, one message on each line) to separate it better, than just using bullets, but I agree that tabling by message set doesn't seem to work. I think (but can't confirm) that they're all "in order" in the text files, if nowhere else. For example:
Msg # Message
1 Madam Firilanya, at your service. A true pleasure to become your exclusive outfitter. Your sartorial expertise is known even in the Summerset Isles With my extensive mercantile connections, I shall source materials so you may create the finest-fitting—and looking!—armors. I've enclosed proof of my diligence. Expect regular deliveries!
2 Once again, a timely delivery. I do hope you are pleased with the contents. The seasonal rains nearly washed them from the docks, but a good Altmer securing chain is worth its weight in gold. Unless you're imprisoned, of course.
3 I don't know why High Elven names confuse many throughout Tamriel, but to help bridge cultural differences I answer to "Miss Firi" or "Madam Lanya," as well as my given name. A competitor of mine once called me "Fishwife Firi," so I undercut her prices until she left town. I had to draw the line somewhere.
4 I never understand complaints made about nautical travel. You begin and end each journey in port. There you can find excellent deals for materials, such as what I have enclosed. The sea salt should wash right off.
5 The prices on untreated boar hides are outrageous. It's as though they've been hunted to extinction, at least in Valenwood. All that Green Pact business must be the culprit. I wager they ate right through them!
... etc
Enodoc (talk) 21:35, 15 January 2015 (GMT)
I've updated the content to a table style thanks to Lady freyja, who already had it formatted. I've also removed the seemingly-arbitrary division between "stories", as they are more connected than such a division implied. --Enodoc (talk) 23:42, 28 March 2015 (GMT)

Plot Summary[edit]

I was thinking, would it not be a good idea to add a plot summary? SirEricTheEuphoric1 (talk) 14:31, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

It's not something we generally do. Any particularly salient info can be summarised in lorespace, but these hireling messages are mostly just fluff. —Legoless (talk) 14:37, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
I agree with Legoless, but Sir Eric, if you have got any ideas, you could post an example here. My initial thought is that these are a bit hard to summarize in a meaningful way. Respectfully, Lady Tib (talk) 17:26, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Sure, I will try to do that as soon as possible. SirEricTheEuphoric1 (talk) 18:55, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Would something like this work? Madam Firilanya was a clothier. She sent a steady supply of crafting components to her customers. One day, she went to Black Marsh to find some wamasu scales. SirEricTheEuphoric1 (talk) 19:00, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
See, that's the problem with trying to meaningfully summarise this text. If we're going to do a play-by-play of each event, it won't be much shorter than the original. I attempted something similar with Lore:Flaccus Terentius, which is largely just a summary of the Emperor's Guide to Tamriel, and even after cutting out a vast amount of detail the page is still horrendously long. With Madam Firilanya, the story points are so numerous and the text so short that I can't really see the practical use for a summary on this page. A lore article for Firilanya is probably the better option. —Legoless (talk) 19:25, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
If we were to make a Lore article, would it be just a summary or the full story in paragraph form? SirEricTheEuphoric1 (talk) 00:28, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
A biography with historically relevant points. See Lore:People. —Legoless (talk) 00:44, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
So, are you saying I should make an article under Lore:People? SirEricTheEuphoric1 (talk) 00:52, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Also, should include the few from Low-Neck? SirEricTheEuphoric1 (talk) 00:55, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

() A lore article on Madam Firilanya is not a summary of this text. Rather, it would use both these messages and Low-Neck's messages as sources, along with perhaps the Loremaster's Archive books. I'd recommend looking at some Lore:People articles and reading our guidelines first if you're not yet comfortable writing this kind of article. —Legoless (talk) 01:03, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

No, I feel comfortable writing it. I will read the Loremaster's archive. Thank you! SirEricTheEuphoric1 (talk) 01:24, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
I am done! Here it is: Lore:Madam Firilanya I have also added a link at the bottom of this article. SirEricTheEuphoric1 (talk) 01:58, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Also, I am going to create similar summaries for the other hirelings. SirEricTheEuphoric1 (talk) 03:54, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Discussion moved from Online talk:Abnab
As stated above, Lore pages for People aren't just a summary; they are detailed biographical articles about a historical figure. The new page for Madam Firilanya reads more like a story than a biography. (See Uriel Septim VII, Vivec, Nerevar, and Lucien Lachance for some good biographical examples.) The Lore guidelines for people also state "Only people who are noteworthy from a Lore perspective qualify to be in this section - that is, people who have played important parts in noteworthy historical events and who have had substantial effects on the world of TES. People who are only noteworthy to fans are typically not mentioned because they are relatively unimportant figures in the Elder Scrolls universe." I think Madam Firi (and the other hirelings) fall under the second category; they're noteworthy to fans, but they're not important people in the Elder Scrolls universe, so there's no need for there to be lore articles about them. --Enodoc (talk) 18:05, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Should I move Lore:Madam Firilanya to Online:Madam Firilanya ? SirEricTheEuphoric1 (talk) 17:37, 24 May 2016 (UTC)