Oblivion talk:Mankar Camoran

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Archive 1: February 2007 - January 2011

Mankar Camoran's Chair/Throne (Kind of funny)[edit]

I noticed that there's no mention of the fact that while no one's sitting in it (such as Camoran himself) if you try to interact with the throne you get temproarily magicly paralized (you flash green and fall over as with the normal paralysis spell). This is pretty funny to do while he's blabbing on about how he's going to one day rule the world. (You'd think he yell at you to stop that and pay attention!) :D It probibly should get some mention in the article, though being new I'm not sure what to say or how it fits.

--Foolster41 00:02, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

It used to be here but it was moved to the talk page. mxk101Talk 00:04, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Morrowind mix up[edit]

In oblivion nords no longer have resist shock so even if he has it it should not be under nord abilities — Unsigned comment by Nordico982 (talkcontribs) at 19:03 on March 15, 2011

I checked this in the Construction Set. It is labeled as AbRaceNordResistShock. Which of course is only used on Cameron and not the Nords... --DKong27 Talk Cont 00:10, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


Thanks to Skyrim we now know more of the Blessing that Akatosh bestowed on Alessia, which was of course the Dragon Blood. Being Dragonborn was what allowed the Emperors to wear the Amulet of Kings and Light the Dragonfires, those who weren't Dragonborn could not wear the Amulet yet Mankar did, so he must have been Dragonborn. Of course before Skyrim we didn't know what being Dragonborn truly meant so how Mankar managed to wear the Amulet was a mystery back then.Reven 15:30, 15 January 2012 (UTC)Reven

I think this is true, too(Vvardfell 10:18, 21 January 2012 (UTC))
The Camoran Usurper was reported to have used "false beast roars" to intimidate the enemy. Thu'um? 17:15, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
TBH, I think that it -could- be an engine limitation.
In Morrowind and Oblivion, if an NPC has something they can equip in their inventory, they'll equip it. If they're naked, they'll equip cloths that are put in their inventory. Since the amulet exists in Mankar's inventory, it's going to be flagged as equippable even though there's a script that prevents the player from equipping it. This is why it was a bad idea to sell armor to NPCs in Morrowind because they would equip the strongest armor "given" to them. — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 14:59 on 27 March 2012
That's plausible, but Mankars robe is a special version of the Arch-Mage's Robe and it's designed so that you can see an amulet on top of them, rather than not seeing the amulet as you normally would with the Arch mages robes, the devs wouldn't do that unless they wanted him to equip the amulet, and the player to see. (Eddie The Head 15:09, 27 March 2012 (UTC))
From Mankar's own "Commentaries", volume III: Offering myself to that daybreak allowed the girdle of grace to contain me. When my voice returned, it spoke with another tongue. After three nights I could speak fire. Could this be some obscure reference to him gaining the authority and abilities of the Dragonborn? Remember that Xarxes was a scribe to Hermaeus Mora, who is apparently going to feature in the second Skyrim DLC called Dragonborn. Perhaps Mora has some hidden connection with Akatosh. ([[Guest: Pilaf the Defiler]] 15:02, 23 November 2012)
Given what we learn about a trained Dragonborn in Skyrim, I think that Camoran being a Dragonborn makes more sense than any previous explanation offered at the time in Oblivion. In Oblivion, it was just sort of assumed that he was a cousin of the Septims. But given that the Amulet of Kings was first worn by Alessia (a Dragonborn), the Remans (all Dragonborn), then Tiber Septim (Dragonborn), and the entire Septim line (all Dragonborn), yet it slips off the Champion of Cyrodiil (a non-Dragonborn at first, a Daedra after Shivering Isles) it's clear that the only thing everyone who wears the Amulet of Kings and isn't named Mankar Camoran has in common is that they're all Dragonborn. In Skyrim, we learn that a Dragonborn can be born from any race, not just Nords and Imperials. We also learn that, given time and training, a Dragonborn can become a god-like wizard (Talos, before becoming a god, changed Cyrodiil's climate by shouting at it) and Mankar Camoran is the only wizard we've ever seen to create a plane of Oblivion from scratch. Black jack king (talk) 06:53, 13 September 2014 (GMT)
Talos didn't change the climate by "shouting" at it, Dragonborns do not possess such power. Talos could change the landscape because he achieved CHIM. Has nothing to do with being a dragonborn. Anyone can achieve CHIM, but only Talos and Vivec have. 02:57, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

() Officially he didn't at all. The retcon delivered by ESO says it was a scholarly error. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 04:35, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Mankar Camoran's race[edit]

Mankar is an Altmer in Oblivion but the Camoran Dynasty is Bosmer.. is there any known explanation? — Unsigned comment by (talk) on 5 March 2012

See Altmer-Bosmer. --NepheleTalk 01:17, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Wearing the Amulet of Kings[edit]


"He is not known to be related to the Septims, so how he was able to wear the Amulet of Kings is unknown."

Since wearing the amulet only requires being dragonborn. 11:22, 23 February 2013 (GMT) CBR JGWRR

400 years old ??[edit]

Tar-Meena while asking about Mankar: "The supposed leader of the Mythic Dawn cult. He wrote the infamous "Commentaries on the Mysterium Xarxes". The "Commentaries" are contemporary with Tiber Septim, over 400 years ago. So he is unlikely to be still alive, although you never know."

Does this not rule out the fact that he would be the heir of the Camoran Usurper?

I also find it ridiculous that Tar-Meena thinks he would be dead by now. I mean, he is an elf, and many surpass that age. --The Hlaalu (talk) 10:16, 2 March 2015 (GMT)

Yes being a High Elf he could very well be over 400 years old, this was most likely a small oversight on the developers but at the same time she does say that it is unlikely not impossible. Also bare in mind that living for 400 years in a world such as Morrowind or Oblivion could very well be considered difficult.RIM (talk) 16:42, 2 March 2015 (GMT)
The Lore page of Camoran Usurper has already noted that there is very little chance that Mankar Camoran might be the illegitimate son of Camoran Usurper, despite the same name. In addition to the possible age noted here, both Camoran Usurper and the mother of a child named Mankar in the book The Refugees are bosmer, so they can not have an altmer child unless the book was wrong on the mother's race. —MortenOSlash (talk) 21:26, 2 March 2015 (GMT)
Having him be 400 years old is in no way a developer oversight and him being "unlikely to be alive" is ridiculous as he is a mer. Divayth Fyr was 4000 years old in Morrowind. And Cameron is a very powerful mage. 03:00, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Considering Tar-Meena's extensive dialogue it's very unlikely to be an oversight. The 'unlikeliness' of reaching that age stems from the abundance of dangers in the world, not from the idea that a mage cannot extend their lifespan. Non-mage mer can only expect to live to between 200 and 300. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 04:35, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Skull of Corruption Clone[edit]

If you use the Skull of Corruption on Mankar Camoran, kill his clone, and search his corpse using the save-and-load method, there is no Amulet of Kings. There are two of the item <Missing Name>. You know something else? His corpse didn't disappear, even when I didn't perform the loot clone glitch. Can I put this on the article? DRAGON GUARD(TALK) 15:53, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Not yet. An essential NPCs clone should also be essential and thus unkillable. The missing name part isn't notable either as it stems from doing something unexpected. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 04:35, 17 July 2016 (UTC)