Oblivion talk:Lucien Lachance

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unknown error[edit]

  • There is a error with his page which makes the NPC info not display properly. — Unsigned comment by Obliv4PS3 (talkcontribs)
The problem was that you deleted the }} braces at the end of the NPC summary with one of your edits. If you have a problem like this, the best thing to do is check the page history (use the "history" tab at the top of the page). You can compare the last two versions and see what exactly was changed. Or you can just revert the page to the last working version. --NepheleTalk 23:08, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
I don't know how I could have deleted something when I was only adding content but I will see if I did.--Most Honored Listener 23:33, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
ok I checked and I don't see a single thing different other than the content I added which was " ;[[Oblivion:Black Hand|Black Hand]"
This is the edit where you deleted them, which is not coincidentally, the point at which the problem first appeared. I've fixed the problem; not that I agree with the addition of Black Hand to the faction box, but we might as well have a functioning page while this issue gets decided. --NepheleTalk 23:53, 6 July 2007 (EDT)

I know we are on it right now but isn't the creatures and undead kind of unneeded information? I fail to see how it can really apply at all--Most Honored Listener 01:04, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

Well, for one thing it means that creatures and undead will not attack him. So if you could get the Dark Guardians in Fort Farragut to chase you into Lucien's room, they would not attack him. (An example of the reverse is Seridur who is not a member of the undead faction or even the vampire faction, although he probably was meant to be. As a result, Seridur can be, and has been, killed by the undead in Memorial Cave). --NepheleTalk 01:18, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
It still seems kind of out there but I see how it can mean something.--Most Honored Listener 01:32, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

Race Specification[edit]

Is Lucien Lachance really an Imperial? I mean, he has a French name like most Bretons. I don't have the construction set, but if it said Imperial, it would seem an inaccuracy.— Unsigned comment by (talk)

Yes, Lucien is really an Imperial. I just checked the Construction Set to verify it. --Eshe 00:43, 24 August 2007 (EDT)
Maybe he is an Imperial born to Imperial & Breton parents. Puddle 21:58 April 19, 2008


Who is the other NPC that becomes essential during the game?--Most Honored Listener 00:43, 19 August 2007 (EDT)

At the least, Varulae (note, for example, that in Recent Changes the three edits I made immediately before editing this page were all related to Varulae and her essential status). I haven't spent any time searching to see if there are others, too. --NepheleTalk 00:51, 19 August 2007 (EDT)

Scripted Death[edit]

Do you think his death in the storyline would be counted as an actual game death or rather he is just removed from the game and replaced with an object marked under his name? Volanaro 09:37, 10 February 2008 (EST)

I think it's fair enough to say that it's a scripted death. –RpehTCE 10:03, 10 February 2008 (EST)
OK thanks Volanaro 10:08, 10 February 2008 (EST)

It is possible that they put a mangled up corpse at applewatch considering it looks just like a hanging corpse that you find in oblivion. It is also possible that Rpeh's theory is correct. To be honest I don't know. --Hazman258 18:47, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


Does Turn Undead work on this guy? --Dagoth Ur, Mad God 03:47, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

No, because he's not a creature. The thing that determines whether Turn Undead will work is not what factions the target is in, but whether they are listed as type Undead in their creature settings. NPCs do not have such a setting, so no NPC can ever be affected by Turn Undead. I think they just put him in the faction to keep him from being attacked by undead creatures if he happens to wake you up in a hostile location. (Note that he's also in the "Creatures" faction, for the same reason.) --TheRealLurlock Talk 18:16, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

Ok, hold on[edit]

If Lucien Lachance is voiced by Wes Johnson, and Wes Johnson voices Imperial males, and Lucien is an Imperial male, why does it need to be on here that he is voiced by Wes Johnson? -Dan 9410 11:08, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

I'd say the voice he uses is different enough from the typical Imperial male to be worth noting. –RpehTCE 12:01, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

Previous Speaker?[edit]

Does anyone know who Lucien Lachance replaced as the speaker for the Cheydinhal sanctuary? — Unsigned comment by (talk)

It's never mentioned in the game or dialogue, so I think I can answer "no" on behalf of everyone! –RpehTCE 03:20, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Vicente Valteirei says that when he first joined the Brotherhood the Cheydinhal Sanctuary was led by a female Speaker, and that Lucien got her job when she was killed on a mission. Nothing else is known about her. Arquen replaces Lachance as Cheydinhal speaker though. - 04:23, 27 June 2008 (EDT)


In the barrel that gives you ebony arrows of slaying the bloody note says lucian a refernce perhaps? — Unsigned comment by (talk)

See the Bloodmoon easter eggs page. --Gaebrial 05:21, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

Items carried by Lucien[edit]

Might it be worth mentioning what items you get if you choose to kill Lucien? I mean, there is probably no point, considering that the items you would get for completing the Dark Brotherhood questline are probably way better, but it is still a valid bit of info... Zorath 10:02, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

I can't find what items Lucien is carrying? If you look at him, his gloves look kind of unique? whats up? — Unsigned comment by (talk) on 29 August 2008

The gloves are part of the Black Hand Robe. –RpehTCE 09:56, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
He's wearing a Black Hand robe & hood over some miscellaneous clothing items, he's got a handful of gold and a lockpick, and he drops a silver shortsword. Aside from the Black Hand gear, nothing special.

Confused: 2 Versions of Lachance?[edit]

By there being two versions of Lucien Lachance, would it be possible to kill one of these "Versions" of him and use that previouse and deceased version for more deviouse uses (Such as Reanimation With Risen Flesh or Staff of Worms), without affecting the main Dark Brotherhood/Black Hand Mission storyline?

And for more informal reasons of this question, I am not familiar with using the PC version of Oblivion, I have only the 360 Version and the expansion pack, I am rather innexperianced to the game and is not fully knowledged on what may be possible to achieve. I appologize if this statement seems of "Novice" Standards. — Unsigned comment by ThisFallenOne (talkcontribs) on 9 September 2008

No. You can only kill the original version before you kill Rufio to join the Brotherhood, so you would never get to meet the second version. –RpehTCE 03:31, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

The "second version" of him must be his corpse from his scripted death in the quest "Following a lead" in The Dark Brotherhood quest line.After the quest Lucian's mutilated and stripped corpse can be seen in Applewatch and it remains there afterwards.It will never disappear.

There's actually 5 versions of him; LucienLachance (NPC, used twice), LucienLachanceHaunted (NPC, used once), LucienLachanceDead01 (static object, not used in game) and DarkLachanceMutilated (activator, used once).
Isn't that worth mentioning and adding RefID's and such...? MrL 18:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Clothing equipped under other clothing[edit]

I was visited by lucien and i killed him but when i searched his corpse i found that he was wearing his burgundy linens as well as his black hand robes

He carries randomly chosen clothing, but he wears the Black Hand robes, I believe. --GuildKnightTalk2me 14:14, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

How does he wear clothes UNDER his robes? --Bgib1307 01:49, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

As it says on the page it is SPARE clothing so he has it in his inventory not equipped--Corevette789 02:50, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
It sure is equipped. On one save file along time ago, I decided to murder him when he first visited me and I took his Black Hand robe and Hood. Under it on his corpse, he was in fact wearing a Dark Green shirt and pants. --Bgib1307 13:26, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
I can confirm that the clothing is equipped. Really cheesed me off when I saw it, making me think, "Why can *he* wear clothing under armour like it's Morrowind and I can't?" --Sheogorath 09:56, 13 January 2013 (GMT)

Really Strange Bug[edit]

I am getting a very strange bug. When Lucien visits me in my sleep after killing Rufio he has now voice for all of his unique dialogue and when i click rumours he talks about the Knights of Nine prophet. All I have done so far as far as screwing with things with CS is to change the responsibility attributes to some characters. I don't think i even touched his attributes or anything at all. Anyone have a suggestion?

I do not think it is a bug. I have the GOTY edition of the game for Xbox 360 and PC and the same thing happens to me in both versions.Itaav 22:05, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

Battlehorn Castle bug[edit]

Not really a major bug, but amusing. If you sleep in the bed (in your Private Quarters) in Battlehorn Castle after your first kill, Lucien will appear and say his normal dialogue, cast his Chameleon and try to exit the area. The nearest exit is behind a secret door in the back of your quarters, which, if it is closed, will stop Lucien from exiting, and he will continue to walk into the wall until you either open the door or leave the area. -Nighteyes

Chameleon glitch?[edit]

I was playing as my female Bosmer and I recently killed Rufio so LuLa would come but when he did, he still had his chameleon effect on. I reloaded a few times but it didn't seem to fix it. Has this happened to anyone else before? --Sencilia 10:01, 17 March 2010 (UTC) It hasn't happened to me but it must have been some sort of glitch or something.--Hazman258 18:49, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Second Lachance?[edit]

So I'm playing the PC version. And in Chorrol, after slicing Francois with the Langourwine blade, I met someone named 'Regonald Lachance'. Is this part of a mod, or an Easter Egg? (I have the 'Brotherhood continued' mod installed and running.) Thanks. KJ.

He's part of one of my mods, A Brotherhood Renewed. Unless someone else stole his name :P Arthmoor 02:53, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Oblivion Gate[edit]

Strange thing: One of the Gates is named "Lucien Lachance". It's the one in the Jerall Mountains northeast of Ninendava. I play the GOTY Edition on XBOX 360 without any further patches. Known error? -- Romulus 12:13, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

That's not possible. All the random oblivion gates use the same object (OblivionGatetoOblivion) and so all use the same name "Oblivion Gate". rpeh •TCE 14:41, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Bad thing I can't make a screen shot... I forgot to say: I play Oblivion in german, maybe a translation issue? -- Romulus 16:58, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
You must - somehow - have the cursor on Lucien himself. Perhaps he's invisible and doing the usual NPC-walking-into-a-wall thing? I really can't see any way you would get a gate with one name different. rpeh •TCE 17:27, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Nope, LL is dead. Now that I think about, there are other translation issues with the gates. The random ones are named in german "Ein Tor nach Oblivion", the quest ones in english. I'm trying to find a german forum to ask about the issue. -- Romulus 17:58, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Already found something: Here it is mentioned that other players have come upon the same thing. One has a gate named Hlaro Dren and I just went to the game map and found one named Mucianus Allias (just northwest of Blueblood).--Romulus 18:20, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Ah - I think we may have been talking slightly at crossed purposes. When you say "called", do you mean on the map or in 1st-person view? If you mean the map, then it's odd but not unheard of - I had a gate with the German text when I installed a mod. I can't work out how it would happen on the XBox though. rpeh •TCE 19:36, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
The name appears both on the map and ingame ("You found: Lucian Lachance"). And when I revisit the site later. I started a new game now just to see if I can trigger it somehow (I killed LL in my game) --Romulus 20:39, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
I meant when you move your cursor over the gate when close to it, but you answered my question anyway :) If you were on the PC, I'd say it was a mod. On a console... no idea. rpeh •TCE 20:48, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

() I got my hands on a German Oblivion.esm file today and rpeh was on the right track. The map marker for the gate near Ninendava is entitled "Lucien Lachance" in the German version. I have to assume that this was simply a mistake of typing the wrong thing in the wrong place during translation. Similarly, there is a map marker named Mucianus Allias near Fort Blueblood. I wasn't able to find the Hlaro Dren one, but I didn't know where to look and wasn't about to check every last one of them. Robin Hoodtalk 02:19, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Thee Luciens[edit]

According to findings listed here, there are actually three versions of Lucien used in the game. I decided to leave the current note of two until we could get ref and form IDs for all three, as well as a listing of when they're used.

Here is everything I could find. Finding out where he is moved was annoying and I don't know if I got them all.



  • Enabled by DarkBrotherhoodScript under quest Dark00General after PC becomes a murderer
  • Moved to PC after they sleep
  • Enabled on stage 20 of Dark01Knife
  • Moved to PC after they sleep
  • Disabled on stages 10 and 30 of Dark01Knife by RufioDieScript after he enters a different cell to the PC and is moved to LachanceHoldingRef in cell DarkBrotherhoodHoldingPen



  • Enabled on stage 30 of Dark09RetirementFIN
  • Disabled on stage 100 of Dark10SanctuaryFIN



  • Enabled on stage 20 of Dark16Kiss
  • Disabled on stage 30 of Dark17Following
  • Moved to player on stage 20 of Dark16Kiss
  • After talking to the pc he will go to Applewatch because of package Dark16LachanceGoApplewatch
mxk101Talk 10:31, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Fantastic. All we need is that last BaseID and we should be golden. Dlarsh(T,C) 18:57, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
LucienLachanceMurderRef and LucienLachanceFarragutRef has the ID 000224ED
LucienHuntedRef has the ID 000034AF MrL 13:59, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Rumors about Lucien from other DB Members[edit]

This is a list of the rumors fellow DB members in the Sanctuary have about Lucien. We (Krusty and I) figured they didn't really add much to the page given the amount of content already there, so we decided to ax 'em. That said, they may be useful in the future. Dlarsh(T,C) 06:59, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Ocheeva: "Lucien isn't here very often. His duties with the Black Hand keep him very busy, so he trusts me to keep the Sanctuary in order."
Teinaava: "Ocheeva and I have known Lucien since we were hatchlings. He is the one who trained us in the way of the Shadowscale, and is like a father to us."
Vicente Valtieri: "When I first joined the family, this Sanctuary was controlled by another Speaker. Lucien took over when she was killed while fulfilling a contract."
Antoinetta Marie: "I will always think of Lucien Lachance as my savior. When he found me, I was living in a gutter, an inch away from death. I owe him everything."
Gogron gro-Bolmog: "I once saw Lucien deal with an insubordinate Brother, someone who had broken the Tenets. It took me a week to get the blood off my boots."
Telaendril: "Actually, Lucien did not try to recruit me. Not at first. He tried to kill me. My father wanted me dead, and he hired the Dark Brotherhood to do it. I escaped from Lucien, and paid my father back for his treachery. Lucien came to me again that night with an offer I just couldn't refuse."

During The Purification, some of the Sanctuary members will say the following about Lucien (also deleted from page)

Ocheeva: "Lucien Lachance's word is law. Whatever contract he has given you must be carried out, without question."
Telaendril: "Lachance has given you a... a secret assignment? But I've been asking for this chance for so long.... Surely he doesn't doubt my abilities!"
Gogron gro-Bolmog: "Lachance gave me a special assignment once. Had to go all the way to Sumerset Isle for that one, killed me about thirty Elves. Ah, good times...."
Vicente Valtieri: "Lachance would not have selected you for a contract unless he had the utmost confidence in your abilities. Best not let him down."

Moved Notes[edit]

  • "Lachance" literally means "The Luck" in French. "Lucien" is also a common French name. These would tend to imply that he is a Breton, as Bretons most commonly have French names. However, despite his name, he is Imperial. It's possible that either his race or his name was changed for some reason, leaving a minor inconsistency.
  • He is voiced by Wes Johnson, although his voice is noticeably different from that of other Imperial Males.

No need to keep these notes on the page; uninteresting (and pretty pointless and inaccurate) french translation - and the eternal Wes Johnson. --Krusty 22:25, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I do recall reading about a race change by Bethesda somewhere; but it really doesn't deserve to be here. And voice acting doesn't need to be noted unless the actor is actually unique to that NPC (he voiced several). Can someone tell me how this has remained on the page since the ONPCRP members revamped it. Hahaha.--Kalis AgeaYes? Contrib E-mail 22:32, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Rumors Glitch?[edit]

I have Knights of the Nine and when I asked Lucian Lachance for "Rumors" instead of what he usually says he says the "Anvil is all in an uproar..." rumor. And iit happens for all my characters. — Unsigned comment by DunmerPriestess (talkcontribs) at 14:51 on 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes it is a noted problem. This rumor takes priority over his original rumors. --Manic 15:29, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Somebody check this, please[edit]

For the sake of perfection, this needs to be checked be someone else but me. It is Lucien’s two responses when asked about “rumors”: "Dear Brother/Sister, I do not spread rumors. I create them." and, probably during Following a Lead: "Are you mad? My life is on the line and the entire Brotherhood is at stake! We don't have time for this nonsense!" I have never heard any of these replies due to KotN being permanent on the PS3. The first rumor is added on the page, but someone needs to check for the other rumor and add it where appropriate. Thanks. --Krusty 16:22, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I believe I've heard it before. Does KotN always prevents this? Or is it fixed by the unofficial patch? Probably the latter then. Anyway, I think he says it when he catches you when you've killed Ungolim, I can't confirm this now though as I don't have a save close to that quest. ~ Dwarfmp 18:18, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Just added it. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 18:25, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
KotN on the PC has no effect on the "I create them" line (at least not with UOP installed); I've heard it several times in my current playthrough, which also has KotN installed (and I've started KotN, though now that I know what KotN is about, it obviously conflicts with DB, unless you do DB first and KotN later to clear your bad rep). I don't know about the "Are you mad" line, nor about differences between PC and PS3 behavior. — Darklocq  ¢ 08:13, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Unessential version of lucien visits[edit]

While i was trying to finish the whole db questlines to evry stage before 100 in the purification i put the stage where i killed all, then i went to the fort and he wasnt there so i decide to use the player.placeatme cheat but i used the wrong lachance {the one u met at the begging of the a knofe in the dark quest}so after using the console again i put it to 100 and then i did all stages up to a kiss before dying and decided to do it but i used the console and killed the guy in the nightmother or luckylady statue .Then the nonessential lachance found me AND SPOKE THE SAME SCRIPTED DIAGLOUGE .after the quest was done he ran. soon when i came to the quest which included going to applewatch after the next of the kin i went inside and i saw the other corpse of the lachance thing , but the nonessential lachance is there i was able to speak with hime but it only includeds the topics and the kotn rumor bug thing .Carlangelo200 02:26, 8 September 2011 (UTC)Carlangelo200


You can also type SetPlayerinSEWorld 0 to fool the game into thinking you are in Cyrodiil. That will allow you to get the quest by talking to him. Just remember to SetPlayerinSEWorld back to 1 once you are done.

I am pretty sure that this would work, but I am not sure if there are any adverse effects...I know that the variable is used in pretty much every script in the game post SI, to check for dialogue and lots of blah blah. And normally it is only changed by the Door to the Fringe/Cyrodiil. Also, if we added it here there are a lot of other places where it would probably have to be added for consistency. --DKong27 Tk Ctr Em 15:14, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Lucien? I keep him under the desk![edit]

Whlile playing my 3rd playthrough of oblivion, I discovered that I must have commited murder somewhere along the line, because Lucien showed up in the merchants inn, located in the imperial city, market district. He tried to recruit me, but as I was trying to play as a "good" character, I decided to murder him, strip him, and drag him under a desk in my rented room. However, after returning to the inn MUCH later, I was shocked to discover Lucien's corpse still lying there! I know for a fact that the rooms in the inn reset a lot, so why hasn't his corpse vanished yet? Does he stay a permanent corpse forever?--Playerjjjj (talk) 12:58, 29 September 2012 (GMT)Playerjjjj

There are some NPC's in all Elder Scrolls games that lack a proper cleanup script, but because nobody is going to kill and check every NPC, most aren't documented. This is likely one of those.--Anil (talk) 14:07, 29 September 2012 (GMT)
Actually, most every permanent corpse in Oblivion is listed here. As you can see, Lucien is one of them. Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 16:20, 29 September 2012 (GMT)
Just expanding on what Kitkat said, you'll also see that the category she linked to, "Oblivion-Permanent Corpses", is listed at the bottom of the page. Robin Hoodtalk 22:36, 29 September 2012 (GMT)


It seems that originally Lucien was to survive the events of the DB questlines,since of his now cut from the game dialogue that referred to the player as 'Listener'

some of the lines were

'if you ever have need of my abilities dear listener,just say the word'

'May the night mother always watch over you'

'it is an honor to speak with the living legend of the dark brotherhood,your deeds are inspiration for us all'

it seems that Lucien was to give the contracts to the player — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 08:27 on 24 May 2014

All of these lines are assigned to generic Brotherhood assassins who appear after the quest. More information on how these lines were discovered is needed. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 11:03, 24 May 2014 (GMT)

Looting Lachance[edit]

I found that I was able to "kill" him (I even got a Sneak bonus for backstabbing him on his way out after our second meeting) after A Knife in the Dark, and loot him without consequences. I knocked him out temporarily, really, since he's Essential at that point, then pickpocketed all his gear. I got no bounty, and was not kicked out of the DB, though I had yet to go to the DB Sanctuary, so my induction was probably not complete). He just dusted himself off and walked out as if nothing had happened. If this can be done in a pure-vanilla game (I do have mods, plus UOP), this is definitely worth nothing in the article, since this is really schweet gear. — Darklocq  ¢ 08:06, 16 May 2018 (UTC)