Oblivion talk:Information Gathering

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Question[edit]

(I don't know where to place this, so I put it at the top). My question: Is there any way to complete this quest (Information Gathering) BEFORE Mystery at Harlun's Watch so that you can get the BEST versions of the Amulet of Interrogation AND the Mind and Body ring? The prerequisites on the individual quest pages are a little different, so I wanted to make sure. The Information Gathering page lists Mystery at Harlun's Watch and The Stone of St. Alessia as prerequisites to begin the IG quest, but, The Stone of St. Alessia quest page lists Information Gathering as a possible NEXT quest (along with Mystery at Harlun's Watch and The Nobles Daughter). Obviously, the best-case scenario from a leveled-item perspective would be to get the Amulet of Interrogation between level 5 and 9, have your character level up, and then do Mystery at Harlun's Watch to get the Mind and Body Ring at level 10-19. Is this possible, or is Information Gathering listed as a possible next quest on the Stone of St. Alessia page because it IS available as a next quest, but ONLY if The Stone of St. Alessia was the last of the three prerequisites completed? I suspect this is the case, but it's good to make sure. Thanks. (PS3 user who apologizes about his hideous number of unintended test edits!) 204.108.237.194 11:49, 14 May 2009 (EDT)Marcus


I've never actually done this quest (I got to the Mystery at Harlun's Watch and had cleared it prior to the quest and can't download the patch), so what happened if Ajum-Kajin dies?--Hicky 07:07, 10 March 2007 (EST)

He can't die before the quest starts, because he doesn't exist in the game until the start of this quest. But if he gets killed by the player during the quest (i.e., while being tortured), you are told that "Ajum-Kajin has died. I will be unable to learn any more from him. Oreyn is unhappy I took the interrogation too far." You don't get the amulet of interrogation reward, but otherwise the quest is over and you proceed to the next as usual. It is a bit ambiguous, though, what happens if he is killed by someone else during the quest (i.e., by a beast along the road)... it seems possible that in that case the quest will glitch and become impossible to finish. --Nephele 18:28, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

If he is killed by someone else during the quest, it will indeed glitch. This just happened to me earlier tonight, and I have so far been unsuccessful in getting the quest to proceed in anyway. I got the quest to update to the Interrogation portion by reanimating Ajum's corpse and walking it into Oreyn's house, but then I had to interrogate him, a remarkably futile attempt since walking corpse's don't talk.71.76.227.253 01:44, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Strange Basket?[edit]

Did antbody notice the basket you can move but cant pick up in glademist cave?-Mr. V 20:31, 22 August 2007 (EDT) Theres a ton of baskets like that.

What happens if...[edit]

...I pickpocket the Blackwood Ring of Silence from Ajum-Kajin before he commits suicide with it? Will this screw up my game? I am asking purely because it would be fun to have a suicide ring.--Kittyboymaxj 22:04, 5 November 2007 (EST)

(a) Nearly nothing and (b) Nothing. You'd have to have incredibly good timing to pickpocket the ring of silence because he doesn't have it in his inventory until moments before he uses it. If you really did manage to take it, then yeah, you'd screw up the quest because he wouldn't be dead. But it's a lot of trouble to go to when you can just wait until he dies then take it off his corpse without messing up the quest. At which point, well, you have a useless ring. See Blackwood Ring of Silence and discussion on that talk page. --NepheleTalk 03:48, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Fast Travel[edit]

Deleted the part about Fast Travel. I'm doing the mission right now, and I can't fast travel there. The one who said that probably went there before or passed through it while going somewhere else.

Well maybe he meant that you can Fast Travel back to Chorrol while you have Ajum following you? I did it like that and didn't had a problem (i.e. he fast traveled with me) although that doesn't prove it's 100% safe. I see the article doesn't state anything about this, but maybe it's worth mentioning if it's 100% safe, cause you cut down the time needed. Eth 19:24, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

I had previously discovered the cave and fast travelled there. When I came out with Ajum, I didnt want to go back on foot and leave my horse standing there. So I saved and fast travelled to chorrol. Ajum appeared there with me, no problem. --62.194.21.246 00:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I fast travel, and I didnt have problem, he was there in Chorrol when I arrived. --2.138.23.149 15:50, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Lost Ajum-Kajin![edit]

somewhere on the road to Chorrol, just north of the Imperial City, I lost Ajum-Kajin. I had to fight several creatures along the way (bear, wolf, etc). After all of this, I could not find Ajum-Kajin anywhere.

I decided to wait at Oreyn's house, but that didn't work. It's been several weeks and Oreyn's house is still empty. I can't find him or Ajum-Kajin. And now, I can't do any more fighters guild missions because the other leaders say that I need to talk to Oreyn.

Is my "life" over? or is there a way to redeem this mission? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you. — Unsigned comment by Dinkyreverse (talkcontribs)

If I recall correctly, Ajum-Kajin will stop if he gets too far away from you, but he probably ran off as a result of being hit, so now you'll have to find him before he'll actually move. Does your quest marker still point to him? If you're on a PC, you can also use the Console and just type in player.moveto 000356DE, and that'll take you right to him. If you're not, you'll have to find him the hard way (search all over the place) or load an older saved game, if you can. --Robin Hood (TalkE-mailContribs) 21:49, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

ok. Thank you. I'll have to hunt him down. I'm on the Xbox360. I'll keep searching. Dinkyreverse 01:55, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Is there a limit to how long this guy will remain standing in the middle of nowhere if you lose him? It's been about 2 or 3 weeks in game, and I can't find him to save my life. Has he despawned or is he still standing in the middle of... somewhere?--69.92.239.229 21:27, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

Misplaced Oreyn[edit]

To start the mission i spoke to Oreyn, but he wasn't in Chorrol. He was at Atatar, the Ayleid ruin in the quest Azani Blackheart. After getting Kajin to to follow me i return to the ruins and talk to Oreyn. Oreyn tells me to interrogate Kajin, so i fast travel to his house in Chorrol and go through the process of interrogating him. After i interrogate him however Oreyn is no where to be found. Any ideas?


Well, like one of the above comments mentioned you could use the console command but if your on the 360 you may have to reload, but if your like me and have two saves that are very recent then you may want to search the roads or places youve been to since you talked to him.--LuciusZelgius 21:13, 20 November 2008 (EST)

i have a similer problem. i used tcl while in one of the azzani blackhart mision and he is now stuk outside the walls, miles away from the interier. i allso made a few copys of him ad i whant them gone. any sugesgtions?

Click on him, move to a suitable spot, "moveto player" will get him to a more useful location; clicking and "disable" for the others should deal with them. Though personally I'd be concerned about what multiple Modryns might've done quest-wise and would reload from a save prior to all of that stuff happening. --Cbh 15:34, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

Persuasion consequences[edit]

Is it perhaps worth mentioning in the article that the more direct means of persuasion counts as an assault for each "persuading"? Though there may be no repercussions, some players prefer to maintain a clean slate, so perhaps this should be pointed out rather than have someone only notice their character's "conscience record" later in the game... --Cbh 18:00, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Well that counter doesn't have any consequence in the game. I don't see how a counter on the UI could break it for someone, considering this is a roleplaying game, meaning that what counts is all those things that your character can understand/interact, not a counter on the UI that only you - the player - can understand/interact. Eth 19:41, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Moved from the Article[edit]

  • During the Azani Blackheart quest, if you managed to get the bug where Modryn Oreyn stays at Atatar throughout the rest of the game (or until you follow him in there), this has a possible annoying outcome on this quest. When you take Ajum-Kajin to Oreyn, he will tell you that you must interrogate him and make him sit on a chair in Oreyn's house. So when you tell Ajum-Kajin to sit in the chair he will go and walk to the chair in Oreyn's house, but he is at Atatar! You must follow Kajin all the way to Modryn Oreyn's house in Chorrol. Fast-Traveling is an option, though there is a chance that Kajin may die. Kajin has no marker on him, but there is no chance of him getting lost along the way because he sticks to the road and heads straight for Chorrol.
    • Interrogating Ajum-Kajin could actually be done on his way to Chorrol. The only problem about that is he runs away, turns invisible, and restores his health.
This might be true... but why would you do this? Why would you go on to the next stage before completing the previous one properly? A brief note is all that is required. –rpehTCE 19:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Can you save Ajum-Kajin?[edit]

Tried casting fire shield 100% on him but it had no effect. Also tried various other spells to keep his health up but to no avail. Does this mean that his death is in fact scripted and doesn't actually come from the effect of the ring?122.102.238.156 03:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

It occurred to me that since this is a unique instance of a constant effect being damaging, maybe it does 150 fire damage multiple times, perhaps every tic?122.102.238.156 03:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Yup, that's 150 pts per second. "On Self" effects surpass any protective spells you may have applied, so that is why your Fire Shield won't help him ("Self" refers to Ajum-Kajin, in this case). --Timenn-<talk> 15:39, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Modryn Oreyn did not give me the next quest[edit]

Even though he rewarded me for finishing the current quest (Information Gathering) without killing the Argonian, Modryn Oreyn did not give me the option to continue to the next Fighter's Guild quest. Does anyone know why this happened? Is this a bug others have experienced?

please someone if you no were ajum-kajin is telll me and i will show you how to use a magic spell when you don't have enough magicka just please tell me

OH BY THE WAY, I AM 8 YEARS OLD
If you are on the PC you could remove the ring from his inventory with the console.--Corevette789 22:51, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

page[edit]

I noticed on the script of the page there is a next quest thing but why doesnt it show up on the page? --Arny 09:38, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Huh? I actually have no clue what you're talking about... --SerCenKing Talk 10:17, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
In the page there is a |Next=[[Oblivion:Infiltration|Infiltration]] but the next quest thing doesnt show up on the page Arny 10:21, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
It seems to be a problem on ALL quest pages, not just this one. Not good. --Krusty 10:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
It's likely to be something to do with Template:Quest Header, since Template:Quest Footer works fine. It might be caused by RH's edits to the former, which need processing and may have temporarily screwed up the template. Let's give the server a day and then see. :) --SerCenKing Talk 10:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
I think it's caused by the new version of the MetaTemplate code that just got uploaded. I've left a note on Nephele's talk page and I don't think there's anything we can do to fix it right now. rpeh •TCE 11:19, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

fire on self[edit]

Any way to wear the ring without taking damage, I have tried resist magic and spell absorbtion but don't work either(Vvardfell 09:33, 24 October 2010 (UTC))

Resist Fire is the only way because enchantments on items you wear ignore Resist Magic and Spell Absorption to prevent positive enchantments from being wasted. --Rigas Papadopoulos • TalkDeeds 10:21, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
I wear flame ring but it dont work(Vvardfell 11:05, 27 October 2010 (UTC))
Wait a bit, I'll test it myself. --Rigas Papadopoulos • TalkDeeds 11:10, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Sorry for been late, you're right, it doesn't work. But if you save and reload you will not take damage. --Rigas Papadopoulos • TalkDeeds 12:09, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
It isn't work again, what is your step(Vvardfell 09:52, 30 October 2010 (UTC))
You're right, it doesn't work. It happened to me because I had god mode with another character and then reloaded to the character with the Blackwood Ring of Silence. --Rigas Papadopoulos • TalkDeeds 14:09, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Then can i enhance an object and have a smaller amount of damage and what is the smallest possible damage (Vvardfell 07:40, 31 October 2010 (UTC))
I can not understand what you mean, but I can tell you that enchanting items that you can wear with negative effects results at the negative effect been 5. 5 Fire Damage, 5 Drain Health and so on. --Rigas Papadopoulos • TalkDeeds 07:48, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Moved note[edit]

  • Although all the guards in the cave are Blackwood Company members, they don't carry much of the company's unique armor: Ajum-Kajin carries a cuirass and four of the guards carry the shield but the others are equipped with standard leveled armor and weaponry.

I don't see the relevance of this... --AKB Talk 06:15, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Is it possible...[edit]

...to keep him alive by reverse-pickpocketing a resist fire ring or ? JackTurbo95 20:06, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

No, this is already discussed on this same page by the way, but i'm sure you've read it through hmm? Razor 20:17, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Killing Ajum before he sits down[edit]

I think this is a bug that isn't mentioned on the page yet. As I experienced several times, killing Ajum before he sits down will stop the quest progress, as Modryn will still only tell you to ask Ajum to sit down... Which means the quest is stuck. Maybe someone else can test this to see I'm correct? ~ Dwarfmp 01:28, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, odd. I can't trigger this "bug" at all. Regardless of when I kill Ajum, I always get quest stage 105. Exactly WHEN do you kill him? --Krusty 22:45, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Sorry for the late reply, I should watch pages like this... It happens when I kill him without asking him to sit down at all. I'll try it again to see, but I was pretty sure you don't get a quest update. ~ Dwarfmp 12:49, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Ok I tried it again, and I see how you can't trigger it. Weirdly enough, if you kill him through the console, this happens to me, but not when I kill him legitimately. I don't know why that is, but I guess there is no bug then legitimately. Maybe that is because he doesn't die by your hands with the console, I don't know, but I guess this can be ignored then ~ Dwarfmp 12:55, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Ajum-Kajin won't follow me out of the cave?[edit]

I have killed every single Blackwood Company member in Glademist Cave. I know because I've run around the entire thing several times (and outside the cave) just to be sure. I can't find anyone else, yet Ajum-Kajin seems to think there are some left. Consequencially he refuses to follow me back to Oreyn's house. Is there some place I'm forgetting to look? There is no 'fighting music', so I know I'm not being pursued. — Unsigned comment by Felinefancy19 (talkcontribs) on 14 June 2011

How to save Ajum-kajin[edit]

You can pickpocket his ring while he isn't sitting at the chair. Before he suicides, using paralyze and command humanoid to get him out of the chair. Then, talk to him and pickpocket his ring before he's back to chair. BUT, you can't complete the quest without his death. All of his company in the cave too. You can drag Ajum-kajin to Modryn's house without fight but can't progress the quest without killing all of his guards. Once you complete every conversation with him, whatever you do, his death is regarded suicide. Guyde (talk) 05:13, 3 June 2014 (GMT)

Effects of a failed interrogation?[edit]

If he dies before all of the information is gathered, does it result in anything other than forfeiting the reward? - 89.70.239.244 20:28, 3 December 2014 (GMT)