Oblivion talk:Else God-Hater

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Is this really necesasry?[edit]

Has been found in the following locations

  • The West Weald Inn @ 7:42pm

This just seems like it doesn't need to be there. First of all, I'm pretty sure that Else spends the majority of her time at the West Weald. At least I've never encountered her elsewhere. (Hehe, "elsewhere"...) Secondly, it's anecdotal, and if you started adding this to every NPC page, you'd end up with huge lists of mostly irrelevant information. Finally, at least in this case, I don't think anyone really cares. I can see doing this for NPCs who provide services or are important quest-related characters (particularly if they have an unusual schedule, like Trevaia in Anvil), but I doubt anyone will ever have any particular reason to need to find Else God-Hater. She's a pretty minor character whose only significance is that she's a Mythic Dawn sleeper who attacks you later. We don't need to know where she is 24 hours a day... --TheRealLurlock 09:20, 7 September 2006 (EDT)

I agree that it seems overly detailed. I'd say it would be better to check the construction set and add a more general and more useful statement such as "She can be found at the West Weald Inn every day from ?am to ?pm" --Nephele 02:27, 8 September 2006 (EDT)
Actually, I wish you didnt take the information out, because I wanted to know where she sleeps so I can kill her in good conscience to attract the attention of the dark brotherhood to gain entry into their guild so I can wipe them out. The first Dark Brotherhood quest where you kill a rapist sounds noble enough, but the dark brotherhood is pretty shady so I wanted to wipe them out and take their stuff. Is she always at the inn? If she sleeps somewhere that would have been useful information. — Unsigned comment by (talk)
You already have access to the full extent of the information that had previously been in the page: at 7:42 pm she was once seen in The West Weald Inn. That's all that was removed. Although perhaps eventually more detailed schedule information on non-merchant NPCs will get added to the site, the deleted line was far from what would be considered to be a useful schedule. --NepheleTalk 16:54, 29 January 2008 (EST)

Mythic Dawn[edit]

I'm not sure what time it was but all of a sudden she cast a full suit of bound armor and a bound claymore and killed an orc, once again his name eludes me. Has this happened to anyone else? (lol "anyone else"...) — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 23:27 on 10 July 2007

Yes. She's a sleeper agent for the Mythic Dawn. Once you've completed the Dagon Shrine quest, the sleepers activate and attack you on site. If other NPCs are friendly with you, they'll join in the fight and can often be killed. --RpehTalk 00:40, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

After Main Quest[edit]

I must have completed the main quest without running into Else after the Dagon Shrine quest, because she was still there when I was Champion of Cyrodiil. She was talking about which of the new songs were her favorite, completely denying her previous affiliation. I thought it was a nice touch! Do other sleeper agents act that way too if they survive the main quest? If not, should that aspect of her be added? 15:56, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Could you provide some more specific information about this dialogue, for example an exact quote of what she said? Because I can't find anything similar in the construction set, and I can't see any Else-specific dialogue that gets triggered after the main quest has been completed. So it's not clear that there is anything noteworthy about her behaviour. --NepheleTalk 18:16, 25 December 2007 (EST)
I don't think anonymous is refering to any Else specific dialogue, probably just one of the random rumors about bards composing songs for the Champion. ("Have you heard "The Fall of Dagon" yet?...)--Jiaan Phillida 17:38, 30 January 2008 (EST)

Swordswoman / Swordsman[edit]

I -know- swordswoman is no more and no less PC than swordsman. I -believe- it is vaguely awkward sounding to hear of a woman as being a 'swordsman', and further that 'swordswoman' sounds cool. Your 2 coppers below mine, if you care. Anarchangel 03:53, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

Political correctness concerns aside, it's also the case that the word "swordswoman" never appears in the game whereas "swordsman" occurs fairly frequently. Yes it's a little awkward to describe a woman as a "swordsman", "chairman", "batsman" or whatever, but artificial constructs like "swordswoman" or, Akatosh help me, "chairperson" are far, far more unwieldy. –RpehTCE 03:59, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
You may kill a woman by accident in real life but it will still be classified as 'Manslaughter'. --Matthewest TCE 04:25, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
Swordfighter? —Dark Spark 12:53, 11 July 2008 (EDT)


Er, was there any public whinging about the fact that the onlyAtheist in the game was a psycho cultist?'Cause that really seems like Bethesda getting preachy. — Unsigned comment by (talk) on 15 July 2009

I highly doubt it. Keep in mind that Tamriel is a very religious place. And I don't really consider her a cultist... there is the Dunmer in Cheydinhal as well... --Elliot(T-C) 02:46, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Obviously if she were an atheist, she wouldn't worship daedra. Atheists don't believe in any supernatural beings, good or evil. 07:28, 4 April 2011 (UTC)AvatarKorra
Point made there. She is not an atheist, she is a Daedra worshiper. Also, she hates the Divine, which is basically saying that they exist. By definition, an Atheist does not believe that any sort of higher power exists. --DKong27 Talk Cont 15:06, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Attacks before Main Quest?[edit]

I was randomly wandering the West Weald Inn when I suddenly hear her yell "Die, cur!" and all of a sudden she's chasing this Orc guy (his name eludes me) in full Mythic Dawn Armor with the Bound Mace out and everything. The Orc escapes onto the balcony and jumped down, and she stopped following him. She then goes to sit back down in the inn, talking normally to me about her aethism, but two guards (who probably saw her on the balcony) come in a few minutes later and butcher her. Is this normal behaviour? Pantherfang 08:08, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Possible joke, eastern egg[edit]

Maybe , Else God-Hater means , she's a god adorer... maybe its supposed to be a joke made by the developers, becaus in programming else is the oposite of true she doesn't hates gods but adores them so, else (the opposite) of God Hater? — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 02:17 on 12 June 2010

I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say here - what do you mean by stating, she is opposite "in programming"? --Krusty 09:58, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
He means that since in some programming languages you use if-then-else statements, like this one:
If Condition1=True
Then Run:function1
Else Run:function2 
or for a specific example: 
If height>=7ft 
Then set scale=giant 
Else set scale=human
but he made a basic error by assuming that else is the "opposite" of true as shown by the previous example. "Giant" is not the "opposite" of human - they're just different states--TheAlbinoOrcGot_a_question? 16:10, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Not to mention she openly states she has no care for the gods in dialogue.--Corevette789 17:10, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
I get what anon meant, although I'm not sure if javascript (or similar) is used to code oblivion. In javascript (in basics) if you have two possible values they are considered opposite by the program, even if its something like "water" and "H20" least, thats what my father tries to tell me... MikeTalk 17:16, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
There's some kind of "if-then-else" structure in most languages, including the game's scripting language, so it wouldn't have to be just Javascript. And I agree, it could easily have come from some obscure statement like:
If Character has a "Worships" Package Then God-Lover
Else God-Hater
...but anything of that nature is purely speculative unless/until Bethesda releases their source code or a developer can confirm that her name arose from such a case. It could just as easily be that one of the developers as an Atheist friend or any of a thousand other explanations. Robin Hoodtalk 18:42, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Won't attack me. Am I just too nice?[edit]

Do the MD Agents' disposition degrade automatically over time (if for some reason the initial 100 point drop didn't bring it to 1)? Will Else eventually reveal herself as an Agent? When talking to her, I always find her Disposition to be at 18, but can't seem to get it lower. Is this because of high Personality and/or Speechcraft? Predcon 21:36, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes. And fame might play a part as well. She only attacks past the 10 point disposition mark. Legoless 21:42, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw the "Agression: 10" rating. So the 100 point drop after stealing the Mysterium Xarxes is immediately adjusted for the aforementioned stats, and then further adjusted as I increase those stats in between the time I stole the book and the time I come into contact with the sleeper agents? Predcon 21:54, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
I presume so. You're still doing the Main Quest, right? Because after it the -100 disposition is removed and sleeper agents usually become peaceful again. In which case you have a seriously low personality for her to only be on 18. Legoless 21:57, 3 April 2011 (UTC)