Oblivion talk:Blackwood Company

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I'm not so sure the Blackwater reference is appropriate. There's considerable controversy as to whether they are actually mercenaries (which is considered a disparaging term) or just contractors. Additionally, the Blackwood Company gets its name from the Blackwood region, which existed in Elder Scrolls lore a few years before Blackwater did, so it's a bit of a stretch to say that there's a definite connection. See This section for a page rebutting the claim. I not necessarily taking their side on the issue, but I think we probably don't want that kind of controversial statement made on the site unless there's some hard evidence. --TheRealLurlock Talk 13:43, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

  • Blackwater Worldwide is named after the region it is located it in as well; the term "Blackwater" coming from the local name given to the Great Dismal Swamp in North Carolina (the company's HQ).
  • I came here because I just heard the name "Blackwater" and made a connection with "Blackwood" too and wanted to hear everyone else's thoughts on it. I knew that Blackwater was named after the region, but I didn't know if that region appeared before or was new to this game--added for the purpose to give background to the company. I didn't know that there was already heated debate over this connection. It's certainly a strange coincidence. 23:39, 20 September 2007 (EDT)
  • There are just too many parallels between Oblivion's "Blackwood Company" and "Blackwater USA" to ignore. Certainly, if you pay attention to the subtleties of Oblivion's plot-lines you will notice that there is no shortage of relevant social and political commentary. In my opinion, to deny this link is to do a disservice to the ingenuity of the game's writers. Sure, you can dismiss the Blackwood/Blackwater link by saying that Blackwood has long existed in Elder Scrolls lore. But that certainly says nothing of the emergence of the Blackwood Company and its choice of location. It could have easily been placed in Skingrad and called the "West Weald Company". But it wasn't.
  • However there is also a book series called The Black Company which is about a mercenary band in a fantasy setting who do tend to take contracts regardless of who puts them forward and Oblivion has referenced many fantasy novels in the past.
  • If I remember correctly, the term "mercenaries" was used to describe the Blackwood company. I would suggest that a connection to the real life blackwater organization could be placed in a new section called either "trivia" or "Real world parallel".
  • I also came to this page because I made the Blackwood/Blackwater connection. Whether an intentional "easter egg" or not, it is still funny. 07:16, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Blackwood company armor[edit]

Shouldn't there be a picture of the blackwood company armor, like there is a picture of the Knights of the Nine crusader relic armor here

Not necessarily, seeing as Blackwood armor is basically Steel armor but darker. The only thing different is the Blackwood shield, so no. If you cannot get the armor and have Oblicion for the computer you may exploit the coctestinghall glitch to obtain the armor.

I would say it's worthwhile because while the shape of the armor is the same (not including the shield) the texture and colour are completely different, it's worthwhile mentioning that Blackwood Armor is also a lot stronger than Steel and stronger than Dwarven armor as well (I'm not entirely sure about this as it might be a result of my level, so if someone could confirm it) --Nacht 05:10, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it's true that the Blackwood armor is stronger than Steel and Dwarven armor. -Goblin lair 16:22, 29 December 2009
Armor Rating
Blackwood armor 53.0
Dwarven armor 50.0
Steel armor 45.0

I know this is a older one, but I just came across it and agree that someone should put a picture up, i can't cause i'm on the 360 or else i already would have. another reason why we should put the armor up is the gauntlets don't have cloth under them, unlike steel, so you can see the players hands, however I guess i can't force anyone to but that is just my opinion to improve the site Kingbaby 01:42, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

I second that idea: I would do it but i can't find the screenshot folder in my computer O.O -DevotedInsanity 02:03, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
To suggest an image be added to an article, add the {{NeedsImage}} tag. --GKtalk2me 02:12, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Is this what you wanted?--Zander490 12:17, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Almost... a picture of a character wearing a full set of the armour would be better. :) --Goblin lair 16:47, 16 July 2010
I added a pic of Maglir in his blackwood company armor,I hope that will suffice for the moment.

Kinvalor75 12:59, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

a large home[edit]

Can I use the guild hall as my home where can i sleep and where can i store (Vvardfell 09:39, 10 October 2010 (UTC))

Shure you can sleep there, but I don't think there are any safe containers in there. -Goblin lair 11:48, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


Does Oleed-Ei really belong in the members section? He doesn't appear in-game. He could be linked to underneath the actual box as a side note instead. Legoless 20:55, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

It's standard for other non-existent NPCs. For instance, Curtis, Gwendolyn and Ris Fralmoton on the Imperial City page or Wallace on the Chorrol page. It might be worth looking at changing it, but that's another discussion. rpeh •TCE 21:48, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


Regarding the cleanup of the page, it's said that it would be better to be a place-only page. As the page is currently listed under Factions, should another page under Places be made, then then cleaned up accordingly? Melleh17 03:03, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I think it should be a faction page--that's what it looks like now, at least, and I see very little about the place on it except "this is where their hall is". It does not appear to need cleanup to me. Vely►Talk►Email 21:08, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
I agree, I just found it curious that someone wanted it as a places page instead. I'll let someone of higher authority than me remove that from the page, or decide otherwise. -Melleh17 04:43, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Cleanup Header[edit]

I see this has been brought up before in the past, but I'm going to bring it up again: The cleanup template on the top of the page says that the article should be transformed into a place article. Like the above post, I think it should stay as a faction page. With that being said, there are two red links on the page to a place article for the Blackwood Company Hall.

This leads me to a few questions: 1. Should the cleanup template be removed from the top of the page, or at least altered to reflect cleanup that is actually needed? and 2. Should I at least start a page so there aren't red links? As in get a bare-minimum page with an image and whatever is already currently on the wiki about the location. If yes, 3. Should I slap an OBHRP template to the top of the page?

Okay, what does everybody think? •WoahBro►talk 05:54, 20 November 2013 (GMT)

I think that this page is best suited as the faction page without any specific location information that isn't strictly relevant to the faction or quests. That said, a location page for the guildhall with the usual contents, layout, occupants, etc should be created if one isn't already made, since I see no point in having one building in the whole game not documented (and I am sure that someone - myself included - could find use for knowing ahead of time what's in it/around it). -damon  xoxo 06:26, 20 November 2013 (GMT)

The Black Company[edit]

A possible reference to The Black Company, a series of books about a group of - how shall we say? - less-than-ethical mercenaries? 20:37, 17 December 2017 (UTC)