Oblivion:Helvius Cecia

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Helvius Cecia
(RefID: 0003628B)
Home City Bruma
House Helvius Cecia's House
Race Imperial Gender Male
Level 20 Class Rogue
RefID 0003628B BaseID 00035ED0
Available 24hrs/day every day
Training Trainer (Master)Hand to Hand (Master) Hand to Hand, Master
Other Information
Health 163 Magicka 167
Responsibility 20 Aggression 10
Faction(s) Bruma Citizens; Thieves Guild Bandit(Bandit Bandit)
Helvius Cecia

Helvius Cecia is an Imperial rogue and a member of the Thieves Guild in Bruma. He is the master trainer in Hand to Hand. During Turning a Blind Eye your secret meetings with the Gray Fox take place in Helvius's basement.

Due to his affiliation with the Thieves Guild Helvius keeps a low profile and rarely leaves his domicile. On all days but Sundas, he wakes up at 6am and spends the next twelve hours wandering around in his house. Between 3pm and 5pm he may decide (50% chance) to pay a visit to Novaroma but will otherwise stay at home. At 6pm he picks up some food and enjoys at two-hour dinner, and then proceeds to wander around his house until his bedtime at midnight. On Sundas, he will make a rare exception to his secluded life and, at 8am, visit the Great Chapel of Talos and worship the Nine Divines.

Once he has agreed to train you, he will cancel all his daily appointments and will wander around in his house 24 hours a day and offer services at all times. During Turning a Blind Eye, Helvius will patiently wait outside while you conduct business with the Gray Fox. During the battle for Bruma he will skip any outdoor activity as he follows the city-wide curfew.

He wears a set of lower class clothing: a burlap vest, sack cloth pants, and a pair of stitched leather shoes. He carries his house key and a small amount of gold.

Related Quests[edit]


When you meet him for the first time, he will introduce himself and his beliefs:

"Helvius Cecia. I do a little of this, a little of that. And I serve the Nine. Praise their Names!"
"All I need is a roof, some bread, and blessings of the Nine. Bruma is Gods' country, and the Gods are good to me."

Quest-Related Dialogue[edit]

Hand to Hand Training[edit]

Once your Hand-to-Hand skill level reaches 70, the two advanced trainers will point you towards Helvius for master training. From her spot behind the counter at the Imperial Bridge Inn, Davela Hlaren will say:

"You should consider going to Bruma, and talking with Helvius Cecia. He can teach you more than... well, probably anyone."
"Talk to Helvius Cecia in Bruma. He's your best bet for learning more about hand to hand combat."

In Cheydinhal, Ra'qanar will give you the quest with the words:

"I can't teach you anything more. You'll need to train with the best, and the best I know of is Helvius Cecia. If you can get him to agree to it..." :"Talk to Helvius Cecia in Bruma. He's your best bet for learning more about hand to hand combat."

When you approach Helvius about training he will laugh:

"Training, eh? The real question is, can you fight?"
"You know, throw a good punch? Can you? I'd like to find out if I'm going to spend time working with you. So are you up for a sparring match? I'll make it easy on you. I won't throw a single punch. I just want to see what you've got, anyway. So, is it a deal?"
All right.
"Okay. If I see you reach for a weapon, I'm calling it off. And if you can actually hurt me, I'll tell you to stop. If this goes on for too long, and I get bored, I'll stop you. Now show me what you've got!"
Not a chance.
"If you're afraid to have even a friendly little sparring match, why would I waste time training you?"

If you turn him down, when approached again he will repeat his question:

"So, how about it? Are you ready to fight now?"
"The offer still stands. You show me how well you can punch, and I'll think about training you. What do you say?"

If you break his rules and draw a weapon, he will stop the session right away:

"Hey! What did I tell you about weapons! That's it; we're done."

If you fail to impress him by dealing too little damage, he will say:

"That was disappointing at best. I was hoping for more from you."

If you do good he will accept to train you with the words:

"Not bad.... Not bad at all! Okay, you've definitely got some potential. I'll teach you what I know."

Turning a Blind Eye[edit]

When approached outside his house, he will say:

"The Gray Fox is waiting for you."
"He's inside, downstairs. Don't keep him waiting."

Unused Dialogue[edit]

Every Master trainer has unused dialogue related to them refusing you training if you hadn't completed their quest yet (likely when you selected the train icon). For Helvius this is supposed to be:

"If you want training from me, you're going to have to earn it."