Morrowind talk:Sixth House
when you talk aboutdagoth ur at the end you say that he died while the other tribunal members survive from the destruction of the heart, im not saure at this point but i recall that at some point is says in the main quest that the tribunal was more carefull and caculative in their use of the tools in making themselves gods, and when they did the deed they weren't a directly connected to the heart as Dagoth Ur was. HSould we change this end section to fit this?— Unsigned comment by Example (talk • contribs) at 21:12 on 28 April 2010 (GMT)
- (It is not necessarily unusual to think that Dagoth Ur managed to succeed at gaining immortality without Wraithguard. Once, I managed to bypass the entire main quest by gaining Sunder and Keening, using Alchemy to make many long-duration restore health potions, and consumed them en masse to wield Sunder and Keening and destroy the Heart of Llorkhan. I wanted to know if people would still participate in the foolish Nerevarine obsession; I'm not a big fan of fame, and how could they love me without the Temple recognizing me as Nerevar? Regrettably, they insisted.--Drostie 22:23, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT))
This is no good, IMHO.
I strongly object the absorbtion of the previously independent War of the First Council article into this page, as well as the Tribunal-related discussion - all under House Dagoth heading. Especially, with the Battle of the Red Mountain page being totally crappy. To correct, I propose recreation of the Lore:War_of_the_First_Council page to combine the information currently in this article and the some salvageable content from the aforementioned other page that describes the same event, and finally to actually link the page to the Tamriel dictionary. --FMan | Talk | http://www.fooman.fi/ 19:11, 10 January 2007 (EST)
- You seem to be implying that some major changes have been made to this page, but I don't know what exactly you're suggesting has been done. The section on "War of the First Council" has been on this page since an edit made August 1, 2005. And I can't find any evidence that there ever was a page named Tamriel:War_of_the_First_Council (or even Morrowind:War_of_the_First_Council). I don't have any opinion myself about how this information is organized, so I'm not trying to say anything about the basic idea of creating a page specifically on War of the First Council. I'm just trying to figure out what changes you think were done that were inappropriate. --Nephele 19:48, 10 January 2007 (EST)
- I know such a page existed, because I pretty much made it myself. I can't recollect the exact name, but now it seems to be gone and the content is now on this page. It was probably some time last summer, yes. I am proposing that rather than having a "Battle of Red Mountain" page all of the related info would be put to "War of the First Council", which in my opinion is better - the BoRM page might have a redirect to the latter, and the Tamriel directory should also link to it (please debate this). --FMan | Talk | http://www.fooman.fi/ 20:54, 10 January 2007 (EST)
- Just to make sure the facts are straight: the section on this page was created in 2005 (a year and a half ago), not last summer, and well before you started contributing to the site. So I don't think it's likely that this section was created by merging in any content that you wrote. I'm really not sure what page you contributed to, but it's not likely it was deleted. We try to not delete any pages with significant history, even in cases where content from two pages is merged (in part because of problems like this). I even scanned the deletion logs back through last June and couldn't see anything with a similar name. If you want to check through them yourself and can find anything that I might have overlooked let me know... if a page was deleted without proper cause, I would be happy to undelete it. --Nephele 21:45, 10 January 2007 (EST)
"As the Player gains in level, the Blight spreads. As the Player pursues the Main Quest, Dagoth Ur's dreams spread. Either action boosts the nominal strength of House Dagoth, but other than having more blighted beasts and Sixth House dreamers to confront, very few game effects result."
What other action are we referring to here? Somercy 13:15, 8 February 2007 (EST)
- I took a stab at it. --Ratwar 14:02, 8 February 2007 (EST)
Another theory on GodHood
I disagree with this part of the last paraghraph "This suggests that Dagoth Ur was somehow still at a lower degree than Almsivi, that he wasn't a full-fledged god, and that the Nerevarine destroyed him once and for all." I always thought that it meant Dagoth Ur was directly bound to the heart. That he didn't need the tools to restore his godhood like the tribunal. He never left the heart chamber either because of that. Just my thoery.
- That and, usually, Just as I destroy the heart, Dagoth Ur falls into the Lava, and without the heart, falling in the lava would be quite deadly. And either way, he's standing on the bridge usually. The very same bridge that begins to collapse just as the heart is destroyed!--22.214.171.124 10:02, 7 May 2008 (EDT)(Juz,not logged in)
Joining the Sixth House
- actually you cannot join house Dagoth at all mostly because Nerevarine and Dagoth Ur had an unpleasent history and by joining them you would probably die.
- However if you would be a commoner and join them then you surely wouldn't become a black priest for example yet more of a ash vampire. And leading armies, pfuh, that's not the House Dagoth way their way would imply getting to each and everyone corprus and then the population would either join or die. Dagoth Ur knows that blight is spreading constant and a divine intervention from Vivec would mean a fall of the Ghostgate and that would be catastrophical. So Dagoth is actually waiting to convert all people and not kill them. He probably knows about Dyvath Fyr's cure yet he doesn't care since Dyvath never cured someone.
- So from all faction in Morrowind, 6th House is the most unjoinable! — Unsigned comment by 126.96.36.199 (talk) at 19:56 on 8 September 2008 (GMT)
- Far enough question. I suppose it's because of the in-game prejudice against the 6th house. I've removed the word from the article as, frankly, in ES - evil is as evil does. –Rpeh•T•C•E• 16:49, 8 September 2008 (EDT)
(moved from the article)
"At the same time, there is probably a little more to it. With the Heart destroyed, Dagoth Ur was destroyed directly, but the Tribunal was left unscathed. This suggests that Dagoth Ur was somehow still at a lower degree than Almsivi, that he was not a full-fledged god, and that the Nerevarine destroyed him once and for all. Alternatively, the fierce battle that took place in Red Mountain, coupled with Dagoth Ur's close proximity to the Heart upon its seeming destruction would have dealt enough direct damage to end the sharmat's life. Possibly, since the Tribunal was unable to reinfuse themself with the power of the heart, it is possible that the Tribunal was simply no more in connection to the heart while dagoth was. this however would imply that Dagoth somehow used keening and sunder without wraithgaurd."
This paragraph is awful. First, destroying the heart doesn't destroy Dagoth directly - it makes him killable but you still have to actually kill him. Second, why does it suggest a lower degree anyway? The Tribunal are killable even if the heart isn't destroyed. Lastly, the less said about the "Possibly" section, the better.
The remainder of the article could still benefit from some close attention. It looks like much of it has been around for years without any serious fact-checking. rpeh •T•C•E• 10:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)