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King Borgas[edit]

The article says: "King Borgas of Winterhold died (or was murdered) during the Wild Hunt of 1E 369, starting the War of Succession in the Daggerfall region. Borgas was the last of the Ysgramor line of kings." Should it not say, "across the Nordic Empire" rather than "the Daggerfall region"? The Daggerfall reference is also on the 1st Era page, my only concern is that it gives the impression that the War focused on Daggerfall, when it was a war over the rule of Skyrim. --OblivionDuruza 13:40, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Most likely this was just people rephrasing information extracted from a book about Daggerfall (perhaps A History of Daggerfall) or the Pocket Guide to the Empire, 1st Edition. What I mean by this is that both of those books say that chaos spread across the Daggerfall region, but do not talk about Skyrim. However, we can infer from this that chaos also spread throughout Skyrim, since that was the realm which Borgas ruled over (High Rock being but a vassal state). All in all, though we'll have a bit of a problem finding a reference for this info, replacing it with a wide description of the land (e.g. "across the Nordic Empire") would help clarify. I'll go ahead and take care of that.--Kalis AgeaYes? Contrib E-mail 14:02, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
EDIT: Okay, I also want to make clear that this war also cost the Nordic Empire their holdings in Cyrodiil and Morrowind as well as High Rock, which also backs up my logic.--Kalis AgeaYes? Contrib E-mail 14:10, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
You beat me to it! Since the PGE1 explicitly calls it the "Skyrim War of Succession", OblivionDuruza is right. rpeh •TCE 14:11, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Cool, thanks for clarifying, I just wanted to double check in this case, even though it's a minor edit. As for the loss of Morrowind and the other Provinces, we know for sure that Morrowind was lost during the period of the war, in 1E 401, so although there were other factors, including the alliance between Nerevar and Dumac, we can safely say that the war was at least a contributing factor, in my eyes anyway. Our articles on the subject also assert that the Aldmer retook the Western Reach of High Rock, so perhaps a broad statement along the lines of, "The ensuing conflict lead to instability across the Empire, and the Nords subsequently lost most of their external holdings, most notably, the province of Morrowind and the Western Reach of High Rock." OblivionDuruza 13:35, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Alright, I've added that in (with a few minor tweaks). Thanks for pointing this out!--Kalis AgeaYes? Contrib E-mail 14:02, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
No problem, thanks for helping out. I'm fairly new as an editor of the UESP Wiki (I've been an editor on Wikipedia for a while though), so I'm still getting a feel for the place an how things work. Just taking the softly, softly approach. --OblivionDuruza 08:42, 26 August 2011 (UTC)


"Belharza the Man-Bull" is mentioned at Lore:Alessian Empire as Alessia's successor. I can find no source. Once again, this seems to be something that was transferred over from the old site, so I'm assuming it's either Arena info, Daggerfall info, or fan fiction which wasn't properly fact-checked. "King Belharza" is mentioned in the Cleansing of the Fane, but it corroborates little. Pretty soon I'm going to have to start moving this stuff to the talk pages unless someone can provide a real source. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 00:44, 2 May 2013 (GMT)

Looking into this, "Emperor Belharza" isn't really mentioned anywhere. Like you said, the only mention in-game is Cleansing of the Fane. Nu Mantia Intercept, Letter #1 mentions: "The moths closest to my ears and lips once served under Belharza the Bull during their corporeal stage.", but even that doesn't support his crowning.
The Imperial Library notes that: "Belharza the Bull, the son of Alessia and Morihaus, and the 2nd emperor of the First Cyrodiilic Empire, is thought to be a minotaur." and also: "The Elder Council elects Belharza the Man-Bull as the second Emperor of Cyrodiil.", however again there is no source. Also semi-related, MK has mentioned in a forum post that the origin of Minotaurs are: "The issue of Alessia and Mor Breath-of-Kyne." I guess whoever added this info took it from TIL.--Jimeee (talk) 16:09, 7 May 2013 (GMT)
I've changed the entry to relay all that can be reasonably inferred, I think, from Cleansing of the Fane. I left out his Nu-Mantia moniker, as we're supposed to leave OOG off the multi-topic pages. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 03:49, 24 May 2013 (GMT)


Lore:Buljursoma redirects here, but there is no entry for Buljursoma. Xolroc (talk) 01:49, 11 October 2013 (GMT)

Authors were removed from the lists as they just became clutter in the middle of people of interest, I've redirected the redirect. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 02:01, 11 October 2013 (GMT)

Belharza's identity[edit]

As per the conclusion reached in this discussion in the CP, I think we should remove the information of Belharza being the second Emperor and the son of Alessia and Morihaus, or at the very least mark it as OOG. From what I know, that bit of information does not appear in any official source, only within a question in the Loremaster's Archive. There is nothing to say that, for example, Belharza the Man-Bull is not just an alternate name for Morihaus. Or he can be someone totally different and unrelated to Alessia and Morihaus. The current entry on this page is vague enough, but that theory is referenced as a fact on Alessia's and Minotaurs' pages, and perhaps some more. --Vordur Steel-Hammer (TINV1K) 03:38, 26 September 2015 (UTC)