Lore talk:Guide to Better Thieving

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So, judging by its content, this book was written by...[edit]

The Champion of Cyrodiil himself? This is very interesting, if this is the case. And I guess this would give him a canonical name, or at least a pseudonym (Wulfmare Shadow-Cloak), apart from just being called the Hero of Kvatch, the Champion of Cyrodiil, Sheogorath, Prince of Madness, etc. Bauglir100 10:13, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Nope. I think this is just him bragging, or it being a different heist. -- kertaw48 11:25, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Well, If I stole an Elder Scroll, became the head of at least five different guilds, was knighted four or five times, single-handedly fought an army of Daedra, dueled with the King of Worms himself, and ascended to godhood, I think I'd brag, too, even if nobody would believe me! This is the Champion of Cyrodiil we're talking about, after all. I'm willing to bet that he didn't just write this book, but an entire series of guide books based on his many adventures in Cyrodiil and the various realms of Oblivion. It just that this is the only book that actually appears in the games, and only the second one (which, since it apparently talks about Stealth, likely talks about his time as a member of the Dark Brotherhood) is explicitly mentioned otherwise.
Not to mention, this wouldn't be the first time that a Hero's canonical name has been given. Even if it isn't his real name, it's definitely a step in the right direction. Bauglir100 20:12, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Still, this is speculation at best, and if there is one thing UESP prides itself upon it is its factuality. Since there isn't any bigger hype about it at Bethesda, I'm guessing this is merely an Easter Egg. Also, if by a Hero whose name was revealed in an Elder Scrolls Game you're referring to Eternal Champion, I'd just like to add there are at least three conflicting reports on that (not uncommon in Elder Scrolls, see the dissapearance of Dwarves, the Dragonbreak, King Lysandus's death). There's no way Bethesda would ever allow a Hero of the roleplaying games to have its name revealed. It would destroy the illusion of everybody being able to be the Hero, which, from what I understand, is what the concept of Hero is all about. -- kertaw48 20:36, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm fairly certain they included that bit just so the reader knew that the author was "creatively exaggerating", as I like to call it. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 00:34, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Or perhaps the Champion of Cyrodiil really did write it, but the powers of the Madgod combined with the Gray Cowl of Nocturnal produce an effect on his handwriting that can make pretty much anything he writes, no matter how truthful and honest, seem like an exaggeration or a joke, and the ability to disguise any trace of his actual identity as the Prince of Madness/Champion of Cyrodiil and just make it seem like someone playing a joke on the readers.
It's like the Champion of Cyrodiil wrote and published the book to assist anyone "worthy" of his personal advice. The Dovahkiin could certainly see those details, though not completely, and in the mind of Pelagius, he could probably understand Sheogorath's references to his time as the Champion of Cyrodiil, though anyone else would just think he was joking around, or just being Sheogorath.
Maybe in addition to being able to absorb Dragon Souls, the Dovahkiin can see past the illusions of the Gray Cowl (and considering all the other things that Dovahkiin has done or potentially can do, it wouldn't be that far-fetched, especially when both the two Heroes have shown experience with reading Elder Scrolls), and see all the references to the Champion of Cyrodiil, while others would probably see it as another detail. "The Oblivion Crisis" probably doesn't even mention the Champion of Cyrodiil, if it were read by anyone else that wasn't even a Dragonborn or a Daedra. Bauglir100 23:15, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Regardless, any conclusion is too speculative to merit mentioning. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 23:19, 14 March 2012 (UTC)