Lore talk:College of Winterhold

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Discovery of Saarthal[edit]

This article states that the College discovered the ruins of Saarthal during 4E 201. However the Saarthal page itself states that the ruins were located by archaeologists in the late Second Era. Which is it? Darictalk 00:31, 27 January 2013 (GMT)

Why not both? The time from late second era to "now" is 600~700 years, plenty of time to lose something and re-find it. The pocket guide mentions other things about Skyrim (place) that do not exist in Skyrim (game), so this is a perfectly feasible explanation. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 00:37, 27 January 2013 (GMT)
Fair enough I guess. I suppose the quest from TES V: Skyrim would indicate that Saarthal had only recently been "re-discovered" at that time, as Tolfdir exclaims it to be "an exciting opportunity for us". Would it therefore be more accurate in this article to change the word "discovered" to "re-discovered"? Darictalk 00:49, 27 January 2013 (GMT)

The Ysmir Collective[edit]

"Scholars from all over Tamriel have descended on the county since it became home to the Ysmir Collective, a library rescued from destruction in the east, and the cornerstone of academic life at the College of Winterhold."Pocket Guide to the Empire

Does this imply that the Ysmir Collective was rescued from Morrowind during the Red Year? The influx of Dunmer to Eastern Skyrim at that time may have been responsible for bringing such a library with them. Or does this relate to an even earlier time period? Lore about Ysmir is confusing anyway, so what would Ysmir have to do with a library anyway? I haven't played any of the TES games before Oblivion, so I don't really understand much about Shezarrines, the Numidium, or the Mantella yet, but I am learning slowly by reading the UESP. Daric 18:45, 14 April 2013 (GMT)

Ah, I have just come across the redirected, original Ysmir Collective page, with some discussion that has bearing on this issue. I'm still left wondering if the Ysmir Collective was brought from Morrowind by the Dunmer refugees after the eruption of Red Mountain in 4E 5. Any ideas anyone? Daric 19:03, 14 April 2013 (GMT)
I think the Ysmir Collective stuff is from PGE3, so whatever destruction it is referring to is before the Red Year. Could be the Blight Storms from 327, or maybe something further east than Morrowind completely. --Enodoc (talk) 19:14, 14 April 2013 (GMT)
Interesting, I never thought of that. The 3rd Edition of the PGE was published in 3E 432, so the authors would not have known about events of 4E 5 at that time. Good point. What is further East than Morrowind? Daric 19:26, 14 April 2013 (GMT)
I believe Akavir is further east from Morrowind. Jeancey (talk) 19:29, 14 April 2013 (GMT)
Thanks Jeancey, now we're getting somewhere. So, what would Ysmir have to do with Akavir? Daric 19:34, 14 April 2013 (GMT)
All it said was that they were fleeing destruction in the east, which probably means east of Skyrim, i.e. Morrowind. My guess would be that they were fleeing the Arnesian War, which occurred in 3E 396. Jeancey (talk) 19:46, 14 April 2013 (GMT)

() Thanks, that gives me more to read up on. 😆 Daric 19:58, 14 April 2013 (GMT)

Oh, BTW, I assume you realised what I said was a typo :P . The Blight was 427, not 327. The Arnesian War is a good call, too. I can't think of much of a connection between Ysmir and Akavir, save that Ysmir is 'Dragon of the North' and Akavir is 'Dragon Land'. Morrowind is a likely candidate for destruction to be fleeing from. --Enodoc (talk) 22:32, 14 April 2013 (GMT)

Necromancy?[edit]

The College deems Necromancy an acceptable practice, but Wuunferth the Unliving says during Blood on the Ice that they haven't allowed it for hundreds of years. Which is correct? — Unsigned comment by 108.8.210.115 (talk) at 13:39 on 23 July 2013

It's possible the "official" stance taken by the Empire is that necromancy is banned, but Savos and the College simply bend the rules as they see no harm as its a viable school of magic. If pressed, the College may claim to forbid necromancy to outsiders in order to placate the very anti-necromancy Nords, but freely practice it behind closed doors. --Jimeee (talk) 15:14, 23 July 2013 (GMT)