Lore talk:Black Marsh

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What does this belong to...Morrowind? Or is it just available through Arena?----w1n3r1

At the moment you can only visit Black Marsh through Arena, but the Tamriel namespace contains several articles for places that can't be visited at all - it's the repository for all TES lore. –RpehTCE 02:11, 2 May 2008 (EDT)


is this ever accesible in any of the games? — Unsigned comment by Samcorkery (talkcontribs) on 21 March 2009

Only in Arena. --SerCenKing 10:36, 22 March 2009 (EDT)

moved section from article[edit]

This is the epitome of old lore. It comes from a concept document for what Arena was originally planned to be. And it's not really appropriate material for city summaries. There might be some info in the PGE for that, though. 04:04, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


Helstorm, You enter the city gates of Helstrom, noticing the dark looks the guards give you. the Pit Daemons, who fight here. They have a reputation of being very dangerous...

Archon, The city gates of Archon loom over you as you enter. People around here wear hoods and seem to be avoiding eye contact to strangers. the Plague butchered their last opponents in this Arena and ate their remains. Not a fate you'd wish to share...

Gideon, the black city of the followers of Sethis, lies near the southern tip of the Imperial Run. A cold air that has nothing to do with the time of year seems to chill your bones as you enter. It has been rumored that the Shadowblades, who fight for Gideon, are undead...

Blackrose, near the legendary forest of Murkwood, holds many secrets. The Arena here holds the blood of many teams who have lost their lives to the Warriors. no one wants to be added that list...

Lilmoth, home of the Dark Tide, gloomy and forbidding. This city it is rumored, holds much under its streets...

Soulrest, a hush as fallen over the city. The Knightblades fight here, and the citizens are eager for blood...

Stormhold, lies on the northern tip of the Province of Black Marsh. Here the people seem friendly. the Black Shields, fight here and are considered perhaps the deadliest team on the continent...

Thorn, holds the eastern edge of the continent, and has been named by some the Jewel of the East. rumored to be beautiful and deadly. Vagabonds eye your purse and guards to turn lazy eyes. The Warlords fight here, and if they can make a home in such a place, it seems they will be implacable foes...

Cold blooded[edit]

This article mentions Argonians are cold-blooded, but the lore article on Argonians does not. Personally, I doubt very much they are cold-blooded. On earth the size and activeness of reptiles is constrained by their cold-bloodedness. The largest reptile, the Komodo dragon, is quite slow and sluggish, save for the odd sprint or so. It spends most its time resting to conserve energy. The size and activeness of Argonians leans towards warm-bloodedness. They may not be endothermic like mammals, but surely have some means of raising body temperature other than sun bathing. Possibly they are facultative or excersize endotherms, wich differs from the mamallian system but likewise means the body is not dependant on outside temperature.

Where does the information they are cold-blooded come from? --Merari 15:22, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

It's fantasy, lizard-men in the first place doesn't make much sense scientifically. But unless a reference can be found, the cold blooded note should be removed as speculation. Legoless 15:28, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
I would think, if it were true, it would be mentioned in Notes on Racial Phylogeny, and it is not... Although the author of that book thinks they live in caves, which is ridiculous. --Brf 16:15, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
I wouldn't say ridiculous. There's that Argonian tribe that lives in Veyond Cave, as well as the crazy assassin in the Flooded Mine (Oblivion, of course). I guess it could be out of necessity, similar to bandits or daedra worshippers, but there's nothing to completely disprove an affinity for caves. But I digress. The cold-blooded note should only be re-added with an accompanying reference. Legoless 17:02, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
The word used -- troglophile -- refers to creatures that spend their entire lives in caves. --Brf 21:33, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
From a quick search, Wikipedia says "a troglophile is a cave-dwelling animal that may complete its life cycle in a cave, but can also survive in above ground habitats". Probably not the best word choice, but it might be true for all we know. Any further discussion about it should probably be on the Argonian page. Legoless 21:36, 6 May 2011 (UTC)


Does anyone know the capital of Black Marsh? I found out the capitals of all the other nations, but I couldn't find out the capital of Black Marsh. (Kharwog) — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 17:12 on 22 January 2012‎

I read somewhere that it is assumed by the Empire to be the city of Helstrom. 04:14, 17 September 2012 (GMT)
I can't find any reference supporting that. Helstrom is rarely mentioned in lore, but the 3rd PGE seems to imply that the city's central location in Black Marsh makes it uninhabitable by men and mer. To answer the original question, I don't think Argonia has a capital; Imperial administration of the province never succeeded, and while there are mentions of an obscure Argonian kingdom, Black Marsh seems to be locally ruled and governed by the Hist. —Legoless (talk) 21:50, 17 September 2012 (GMT)

OOG references[edit]

There are a large number of OOG reference in this article. However, I'm not sure all of them actually ARE oog references. Specifically, the four era overviews from TIL and the compendiums. Are we sure that this information wasn't gathered from ingame sources, such as books, and simply put all together at TIL? If so, we should track down where THEY got the information from, so we can cite the source directly, instead of the second hand citation of TIL. Jeancey (talk) 16:32, 29 April 2013 (GMT)

There are quite a lot of OOG references here, and this page definitely needs work. It looks like it hasn't received a comprehensive revamp since the Oblivion era. If any of those OOG cites can be supported by in-game material instead, they should be. Also, I see the Daggerfall Manual is in the OOG section; we've been treating it as an in-game source on other pages (as it's official Bethesda game material). Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 17:47, 29 April 2013 (GMT)
Separating out some of the OOG references was my small contribution to the LPP, which I did back in February 2013. I was still quite new to UESP, but I did my best to identify those sources that were definitively in-game. The rest, as you say, probably need to be investigated further to ascertain if they are really OOG references. Daric 22:18, 13 May 2013 (GMT)

Lore:Horwalli and Lore:Yerpest[edit]

They both redirect here, yet they are mentioned nowhere. Elymdor (talk) 15:42, 9 March 2014 (GMT)