Lore talk:Auridon

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Regarding Moridunon[edit]

Do we have more sources for the name "Moridunon" outside of On Artaeum? If not, that alone to me doesn't suggest that Moridunon is another name for Auridon. All we know about Moridunon is that Artaeum is south of it. We also know that Artaeum is 'west of the mainland village of Runcibae'. This extrapolates to Moridunon being vaguely north-west of 'the mainland village of Runcibae', but is that mainland Tamriel, or mainland Summerset? Without Artaeum being on any maps, we can't extrapolate these locations. --Enodoc (talk) 22:47, 2 July 2013 (GMT)

On Artaeum mentions the "Moridunon village of Potansa" where "the kings of Sumurset, particularly those of Moridunon, have often sought the Psijics' opinion". Kings (or Queens) only exist in each of the cities of Summerset, therefore Moridunon is either of the two large islands. Galerion the Mystic mentions the "village of Potansa on the far eastern end of Summurset". From this we know that Moridunon is on the far eastern end of Summerset, is an island, and the kings there take advice from Psijics. Origin of the Mages Guild mentions that the King of Firsthold met with a Psijic (the only example of a known king of Summerset taking advice from a Psijic), and since Firsthold is on the eastern island this further confirms the info from On Artaeum. AldmeriDominion (talk) 23:16, 2 July 2013 (GMT)
It says that it is the far eastern end of summerset, not of the summerset island. We also have no evidence that Moridunon is an island at all, it could be a people, as in the Moridunon of Potansa. There is no evidence to show that Moridunon and Auridon are the same. Jeancey (talk) 23:36, 2 July 2013 (GMT)
That's wrong actually. The name used in Galerion the Mystic is "Summurset" which refered to the province as a whole (examples of this in: On Artaeum, 2920, Rain's Hand, v4, Brief History of the Empire v 1, etc). "Summerset" (rather than "Summurset") refers to the main island of the Summerset Isles, which is why the very same book, Galerion the Mystic, also uses this alternate spelling, "Summerset Isle", to differentiate between the two. Even the ESO book, Ayrenn – The Unforeseen Queen, refers to the main island as "Summerset". Since Summurset means the Isles as a whole we know that Moridunon is on the far eastern end of the Isles, not the main island.
Here's it simplified: According to Galerion the Mystic (and other lore books from TES Arena & Daggerfall), "Summurset" = province, and "Summerset" = island.
Also, saying that the people of Potansa are called Moridunon is false, since no lore states that Kings rule villages or that villagers are referred to by certain names. AldmeriDominion (talk) 09:57, 3 July 2013 (GMT)
The name in the early games has variously been, Sumerset, Sumurset, Summerset and Summurset. It is just inconsistency, not a grand plan designed to differentiate between the islands and a whole and the largest island. Trying to assign some sort of master plan to it is just speculation and cannot be used on the wiki in any way. Jeancey (talk) 10:14, 3 July 2013 (GMT)
So that means my previous statement was correct then. Nothing states the Moridunon village of Potansa is on the actual island of Summerset, Potansa may very well be on the eastern island since the spellings are random and Isle refers to the province as a whole. And since no lore states that kings rule villages, it refers to the kings of Skywatch and Firsthold. AldmeriDominion (talk) 10:30, 3 July 2013 (GMT)
I was thinking maybe Moridunon was a region, and for Artaeum to be south of it and west of the mainland, I thought Moridunon may be that peninsula on the north-west of the larger island. But that's a good shout about the book saying Potansa being on the far eastern end of Summurset (however you may want to spell it). I hadn't noticed that one before. In that case, maybe Moridunon is a region of Auridon, rather than another name for the whole island. I think it's reasonable for the islands to be split into regions, and the regions to have kings like the Skyrim holds each have their own Jarl. --Enodoc (talk) 14:19, 3 July 2013 (GMT)
In any case, there is no firm lore stating that Muridunon is an island, or, if it is, that it is the same as Auridon, other than pure speculation. Jeancey (talk) 21:07, 3 July 2013 (GMT)
It's not so much speculation as it is taking clues from the lore. However, what the lore does firmly state is that Moridunon is on the far eastern end of the Summerset Isles, there is a Moridunon village with contacts of the Psijic Order, and Moridunon is ruled by kings who have often sought the opinion of Psijic's. The only known king of Summerset to have met with a Psijic is the King of Firsthold. From this info Moridunon can only be the the island, or as Enodoc stated, a region of Auridon (likely in the north around Firsthold). AldmeriDominion (talk) 10:31, 4 July 2013 (GMT)

() Taking clues from lore IS speculation. The way that it is phrased means that it could be and island, a people or a region. Any of these would make sense in the context that it is given. Just because we don't have specific instances of kings meeting with psijics doesn't mean it hasn't happened other times. Without specific names, we cannot just assume that the kings are one and the same, THAT is speculation. Jeancey (talk) 10:41, 4 July 2013 (GMT)

The quote from On Artaeum, "the kings of Sumurset, particularly those of Moridunon", definitely does not indicate that Moridunon is a group of people. Since Moridunon is on the "far eastern end" of the province of the Summerset Isles, then by process of elimination it's either the island of Auridon, or a region in Auridon. Also, we know Moridunon is a location because the book refers to Potansa as a "Moridunon village" and Runcibae as a "mainland village". AldmeriDominion (talk) 15:27, 4 July 2013 (GMT)


After reading the discussion above, I still believe there's not enough evidence to say that Moridunon is Auridon or a region in Auridon. The village of Potansa, and by extension Moridunon, is said to be located on the far eastern end of Summerset, but it's not clear if it means the whole archipelago or just the biggest island, which is also sometimes referred to as the Summerset Isle, at least according to our own lore page. Therefore, I think that redirecting Moridunon to Auridon is a bit too far-fetched. --Vordur Steel-Hammer (TINV1K) 13:28, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

I didn't realize there was any of that tenuous link left. I agree the redirect should not point to Auridon. It would probably make most sense to point the redirect to Summerset Isles. --Enodoc (talk) 15:29, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Done. --Vordur Steel-Hammer (TINV1K) 13:22, 2 January 2016 (UTC)