File talk:SR-npc-Fanari Strong-Voice 02.jpg

Proposed Rename

I oppose the proposed renaming of this image. While it does contain Fanari, sure, and is in use on Fanari's page, it also contains other Skaal NPC's who are all gathered together specifically because of Storn's death. It probably should be renamed, but not for the reason you think. This is not an NPC image, it is a Quest image, and should be renamed (and maybe resized) appropriately as a Quest image for the Gardener of Men quest. It doesn't necessarily need to be used on that page, and there is nothing stopping you from using it on Fanari's page as an additional image, but, as far as I understand the Image Guidelines, it is basically a Quest Image. – Daric↝talk 10:50, 21 March 2013 (GMT)

Well it probably should be renamed as it is currently used on that page. I expect most NPC's story images could be considered 'quest images' but the fact they are used on the NPC page not the quest page makes them an NPC image. Even if the image is moved to a different page later the image could easily be renamed again. Also this is the correct size for a NPC story image or a quest image already? — Kimi the Elf ^{(talk | contribs)} 11:16, 21 March 2013 (GMT)

Thanks Kimi, it was late o'clock when I wrote that, and I obviously hadn't properly checked the size ratio. It is, in fact, quite obviously 4:3 aspect ratio already, meaning that its being named as "-npc-" anything would be incorrect, wouldn't it? Apart from the aspect ratio, as an NPC image (even a supplementary one) it fails the requirement to "allow clear and easy visual identification of the NPC", as there are three NPCs in the foreground. It's a great image, don't get me wrong, but it is just not fit to be an NPC image, from what I see. As a Quest image however, no problems! Oh, and I've recently been working on Krusty's remodeling of the Storn Crag-Strider page, so the issue of Storn's self-sacrifice is something dear to me. I'm not just coming over all negative about this image, I just want to see it used appropriately, that's all. – Daric↝talk 21:02, 21 March 2013 (GMT)

I think for NPC's only the first image in the top left should be 1:1 all Story Images are 4:3 this is the correct size. I think "allow clear and easy visual identification of the NPC" mostly applies to the first image and the rest are just to make the pages mroe fun and less of a wall of text. I think the image is fine as it is, or atleast until Fanari's page is even worked on. Well this is how I have been doing images anyway ... I could be wrong? — Kimi the Elf ^{(talk | contribs)} 21:26, 21 March 2013 (GMT)

Thanks for linking to that Story category, I didn't even know until now that it existed, and yet I see there are other such "Story" categories for OB, SI, and DB. There isn't any corresponding information about these "Story Images" in the Image Guidelines. I've seen many debates on UESP about such supplementary NPC images, and I think the classification of "Story Images" should be codified better to overcome such problems in the future. – Daric↝talk 21:42, 21 March 2013 (GMT)

I have started a discussion about codifying the Story Images on the Image Guidelines page, and will continue this discussion there. – Daric↝talk 22:47, 21 March 2013 (GMT)

{od} To get back to the original Subject: The only reason it is used exclusively on Fanari's page is that there is a simmilar image to this (File:DB-npc-Storn Crag-Strider 08.jpg), that is used on the pages for Storn Crag-Strider and the Sandbox of The Gardener of Men. we could possibly use that image on Fanari's page and delete this one as its showing the same scene, just in a slight different angle and lighting. SarthesArai (talk) 15:25, 21 May 2013 (GMT)

I guess I should have renamed the file right after uploading it. :) I'll do it now. I don't think it's necessary to delete the image. Even if they're similar, it's good to have different images of the same scene on different NPC pages. --Holomay (talk) 16:51, 21 May 2013 (GMT)

Hey SarthesArai, I have reverted your undo. What I did was part of a standard procedure of renaming images. It was not my intention to ignore or even suppress a discussion!! :) In fact, it can go on here. If you have a look at the contributions above, you'll see that the discussion has moved away from the image itself. All I did was to correct the image name so it fits its usage on Dragonborn:Fanari Strong-Voice. If it's going to stay there, it now has the correct name. If it's going to be deleted (and that is what you have proposed), it can be deleted regardless of its name. But I ask you to think about it: Should the image really be deleted only because it's similar to File:DB-npc-Storn Crag-Strider 08.jpg? There are many similar images that capture the same situation on quest pages and the pages of NPCs that are involved in the respective quests. Also, if you look at the page for Storn Crag-Strider, you'll see that all pictures have a pale, grey/blue color scheme, giving the article a certain visual atmosphere and consistency. Maybe the editor who is eventually going to revamp the article for Fanari will be inspired by the lighting on the current image and request similar shots, giving this article its own visual identity. If not, a different kind of imagery can still be requested. Why shouldn't there be variety among the images in different articles as long as the quality is fine? --Holomay (talk) 22:19, 21 May 2013 (GMT)

My apologies, I didn't see that you moved the talk page as well. -- SarthesArai (Talk) 16:08, 22 May 2013 (GMT)