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Claudius Arcadia[edit]

Would it be wise to break in and write the contents of his house then? Emoboy64 12:26, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I think that's the best idea. rpeh •TCE 04:33, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

editing question, if you can answer, please reply on my talk page :D[edit]

lets say someone posted problems with a glitch on an article talk page, I'm pretty sure it doesnt belong there so would it be appropriate to move it to the glitches talk page? Mikeyboy52 10:10, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, another question, but this time about legality. O.o you seem to be know about policies when it comes to bothe wiki and bathseda (sure hope i spelled that right) and I was wondering if it was withing my rights to get pictures from this wiki, and put them on a wiki i made (for oblivion). And if not, if it was withing my rights to take my own pictures (in-game) and post them on the wiki. I looked online, but I would rather have information from a reliable source Mikeyboy52 15:54, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
1) It might be. If they were talking about a glitch specific to an NPC or quest then the post should stay where it is. Even if if's a generic glitch, it may be better to keep it where it is and link them to the Glitches page.
2) If you use UESP images elsewhere, you have to credit UESP as the image source. See, for instance, this image used on the ES Wiki. rpeh •TCE 12:29, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for the help. Plagerisim sucks, I've had some of my work stolen so I know how it feels 0.o Mikeyboy52 20:01, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

umm...[edit]

hi!on the deletion review of the things to do when your bored page i maid a opose comment but i've sorta changed my mind...and want to suporrt it now and i'm not sure if i should delete my old comment and add a new one or just leave my old one and add a new one?thanks!--GUM!!! 01:05, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Just change the original vote.--Corevette789 01:08, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
ok then--GUM!!! 01:10, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Stuffing the Articles[edit]

That's two down, lots more to go! hehe =] Bal Oyra is up next (alphabetically…). That one's gonna be fun! It would be nice to at least have all the articles from Places to actually have content, don't you think? -Zhukant 07:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Brilliant stuff so far! For some reason I've always hated doing the town and city pages so it's great that you're doing them ;) rpeh •TCE 08:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Definitely! It's actually enjoyable for me =D I guess environment was always the thing that brought me back to Morrowind. The only part I don't really know how or particularly want to do is finding where all the trinkets and treasures are concealed throughout town. (Something like: The western room in such and such NPC's house has a locked chest. Inside you can find the Rapier or Sotha Sil.) -Zhukant 17:34, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Wow, that was way more work than I expected… Can you please glance over these?: Bal Oyra, Bal Oyra, Keep, The Black Ogre Tavern. Thanks! -Zhukant 04:37, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Looks good at a first glance. I'm working my way through the patrol backlog at the moment - I'll take a proper look in a bit. Thanks! rpeh •TCE 17:16, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Okay... the content you've added is good but I'm not sure about the transclusions you've made. I know I used that technique on the Alt Bosara page, but there was a reason for it. Basically, Alt Bosara consists of Tel Vaerin and some other minor stuff, so I think it's important to have the tower on the AB page. We also need to have a Tel Vaerin page so we can link it easily from the Telvanni Towers page and it goes into the Tes3Mod-Tamriel Rebuilt-Places-Telvanni Towers category. We could use a redirect here, but it seems to me there's enough reason for keeping the tower as a separate page.
In the case of things like the Elfmaid and the Black Ogre Tavern on the Bal Oyra page, I'd be inclined not to transclude them, as they aren't such major locations. A link would be enough. Having said that, I can see the benefit of having everything on one page.
The important thing is consistency. If we're going to do one page like that, then the other city pages (including in the Morrowind namespace) should be refactored to use a similar style. In some cases that might create pages that are a bit big (think Ald'ruhn especially). If you think this is the way to go, we'll have to start a larger discussion on the Community Portal.
Anyway, the site's going really slowly for me at the moment so I'm not going to look at the rest in detail. Seems like you've done more great work though! rpeh •TCE 18:14, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
I see what you mean. Whenever I start editing an article for a city, I always look at the map at the bottom of the page which usually exists already, and a lot of the time it has links to things like the elfmaid or the black ogre tavern. (e.g. the Alt Bosara page only had a link to Tel Vaerin; the other links were to people rather than places.) I figured since those pages already exist, the place must be important enough to have its own article. So when I would finish writing the section on that particular enterprise, I would see that it has its own article and I would put the content there rather than on the main page of the city.
Perhaps I'm not familiar enough with the subtleties of the layouts of the UESP's towns, and perhaps what you said in the last three paragraphs is a little bit over my head... In any case, unless I'm somehow making it very inconvenient to do, my writing is meant "to be edited mercilessly", right? So feel free to refashion what I did into what fits the status quo more, and I'll see the changes you make and learn the right way to do it! God forbid I, a total newcomer, be responsible for upturning what "the way to go" on style in the UESP is! =] -Zhukant 19:50, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Don't get me wrong: sometimes it takes a newcomer to suggest something that older hands had never even considered changing. Please, if you think the transclusion method leads to better pages, go for it and start the discussion. As I said, I can see benefits to both methods. If you feel the urge, set up a personal sandbox so you can play around with pages without disturbing the main site. rpeh •TCE 21:32, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

CS Question[edit]

I think you're a bit more familiar with the CS than I am, so hopefully you can help. While investigating a question on Oblivion_talk:The Collector, I was reminded that Jollring seeks you out as soon as you go into Umbacano's manor. How the !#$% does he do that? Based on a little testing, it's something in his scripting, presumably the greeting variable, but I'm damned if I can figure out where/how this is being used. I thought it might be a "magic" variable like fQuestDelayTime, but setting the variable on someone else causes no change in behaviour whatsoever. What am I missing? Robin HoodTalk 15:45, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Wow. Tricky one. There's a script on the front door to Umbacano Manor that causes Jollring to start a conversation with you if he detects you and his "greeting" variable is set to 1, which happens each time he goes to sleep and gets reset once he's talked to you. I guess that's to stop it happening time after time. Took me a little while to work that one out! rpeh •TCE 17:14, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
I was thinking it was something about the CS I just wasn't understanding. After a fashion, I was right, in that I wasn't aware that door activation occurred on the interior as well as exterior, but I certainly never would've thought of looking at the door for that kind of scripting even if I had known. Thanks for tracking it down! Robin HoodTalk 20:28, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
The CS is like programming: even when you know what every command does, one is still astonished when one sees what you can do with certain combinations of those commands! I never considered looking at the door, and it was only a global search on the scripts that led me to it. rpeh •TCE 21:35, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Caching with DotNetWikiBot[edit]

I don't remember if I've asked you this before, but have you ever run into caching issues with DotNetWikiBot? For example, if I retrieve Morrowind:Report to Caius Cosades via DNWB, it still shows the notes= Journal Entries parameter that I just removed. Any ideas? Robin HoodTalk 18:33, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah... Have you looked at the code for RoBoT yet? I added some extra request headers to disable caching. I can't check right now but look for things like "pragma" in the code. I added 2 or 3 extra headers, I think. rpeh •TCE 18:39, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
I've only glanced at bits of it here and there, not enough for any kind of picture of how it works...I've been too busy with other stuff to do much on my bot, so I haven't had the need to look at yours as yet. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction! Robin HoodTalk 20:29, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
This will probably be too late but I think these are the lines I added to Bot.InitWebClient (at the end):
wc.Headers.Add( HttpRequestHeader.CacheControl, "disable" );
wc.Headers.Add( HttpRequestHeader.Pragma, "no-cache" );
I think that's all I did to get nice, fresh results coming back to RoBoT. rpeh •TCE 20:45, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
Oh sure, now you tell me...right after I just spent time going through your code! :) As it turns out, that wasn't all that was necessary. It looks like at least in Page.LoadEx, you converted the site.GetPageHTM(res) to Bot.wc.DownloadString(res), amongst other coding changes. I only did a hack job on it and changed just that one line (and used the string from the original code instead of the Uri that you'd set up), but now that I've done that as well, it seems to work. I'll add a comment line to my code to compare in more detail later, as I'm a little fuzzy-headed to be coding much more than "Hello World" apps right now. (The joys of CFS.) Robin HoodTalk 21:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
At some point I'll finish my full rewrite of the DNWB code into something that works properly. Until then... well you've seen the hacks I've made. I've been working on removing expensive calls and replacing them with API calls instead - although that doesn't always offer 1:1 replacements. I haven't done much to RoBoT since I sent you that last batch of code, so any improvements would be welcome! rpeh •TCE 22:03, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

hey just saw you edited my sandbox[edit]

its k but what is a 'wanted template'? The WurmTalk 03:46, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

We have this page that lists all missing templates and your sandbox was showing up because of that username template. There are similar special pages that show wanted files, pages, categories and so on. It's not a big problem - it had just been bugging me for a few days. rpeh •TCE 08:50, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Oh so just putting random stuff between {{these}} makes it show up on the wanted template page? But isn't thae whole point of a sandbox to experiment? ah nevermind, sorry to bug you. :P The WurmTalk 23:19, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
You're right on both counts: curly braces make whatever's between them show up on the Wanted Templates page and the point of a sandbox is to experiment. This becomes something of a balancing act...where does site maintenance take precedence over a user's page and vice versa? Of course, the answer will vary from one case to the next. Usually for something like this, it would be allowed to stay for a few days or weeks until someone really gets bothered by it and there's no apparent move to fix the issue. At that point, usually either a note would be left or if it's a relatively minor/benign thing, the user page/sandbox/subpage could be changed directly, even though it's not the user him- or herself who's changing it. Robin HoodTalk 00:38, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Alright, thanks for explaining that. would it be possible to create a category or template that would prevent it from shoing up on the WT page? The WurmTalk 01:30, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
If I recall correctly, you can "fake it" by creating a template in a sandbox under your user page, then calling it with {{User:Wurm/Sandbox2}} (or whatever you called it), and because it's in user space it won't show up as wanted. I'm not 100% sure of that, but you can give it a try and then check the Wanted Templates page a few minutes later to see if it's shown up. (I don't have the time right now, or I'd do it myself and give you a more definite answer.) Robin HoodTalk 05:07, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Yeah that should work. Or, of course, you could always create the Sandbox2 page to make sure. rpeh •TCE 07:23, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Alright... I'll have to try that... But does using the <nowiki></nowiki> formatting prevent it from showing up on the WT page? That's probably cleaner than creating a new page. The WurmTalk 05:07, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
It would, yes, but it would also stop the template actually working. rpeh •TCE 09:05, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Alright. Thanks for the notice and the help. I'll either move the page or refrain from using curly brackets. One last question-Do missing links also show up on a seperate page? Like a red link? The WurmTalk 18:04, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

You mean this ->Wanted Pages. --Tim Talk 18:14, 25 May 2010 (UTC) Ah. thamks. sorry for the late reply. So... Bye. The WurmTalk 22:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Arena[edit]

I think I posted this elsewhere at some point, but noticed the "arena runs to slowly". I'm guessing you're using a DOS emulator. If thats the case you can set it to skip a certain amount of frames and it runs fast and smooth. Mikeyboy52 10:43, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. I know there was probably some kind of mistake in the way I was configuring things, and if I followed JKing's suggestions I could probably get it working. Unfortunately I really don't have the time. Thanks for the idea though. rpeh •TCE 10:48, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Ah, theres an infinite amount of time, but we never seem to have enough of it. Mikeyboy52 10:56, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

ancludeonly[edit]

I see you've taken up my trick...and the cursing that goes along with it. :) Robin HoodTalk 17:07, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah it's all your fault ;)
I used to just delete the tags completely, which left me cursing just as much but not quite so open to allegations of plagiarism! rpeh •TCE 18:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
LOL! It's a convenient trick, I don't mind the plagiarism. I use it with #preview tags as well to "undefine" the preview value temporarily. Robin HoodTalk 19:55, 31 May 2010 (UTC)