User talk:RobinHood70

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I miss you![edit]

Just here to say hi. We have made a whole load of changes to Discord, so you might feel able to come back? Firstly, we've separated out staff permissions on the wiki/forums/etc from Discord staff permissions, so you only have to take Discord staff permissions if you want them. Secondly, it's now possible to go off-duty if you only want to hang out and don't feel like getting involved in any moderation. (When you type the command, your name drops from the Staff section down to ordinary users.) Thirdly, we've added some Community Moderators from among the most active users, which gives the rest of us the chance to continue working on our usual UESP projects without feeling the obligation to moderate the Discord chat.

It would be great to see you again, but I understand that your health must come first. baratron (talk) 18:59, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

I appreciate the suggestion, and believe me, there are times when I miss being able to just pop on and discuss something with someone, or point out some goof or whatever for general amusement. But, among other things, I found that Discord was just taking too much of my time and energy, and I suspect it would have been like that even without having administrative duties. Having left the server, and having cut back on a few other things, I've once again been able to find the time and energy to start working on HoodBot, which I hadn't touched in about half a year! (I was hoping to be more or less finished it by now.) So, for now, that has to take priority. Once that project is done, I may consider rejoining the Discord server. Robin Hood  (talk) 22:59, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Job #444[edit]

Do you know what HotnBOThered's job #444 was about? A user pointed out this edit, which is incorrect; those fields are hidden by default when they aren't applicable, so it's redundant to add "N/A". Any similar edits ought to be reverted. —Legoless (talk) 17:25, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

That was a result of this discussion. Robin Hood  (talk) 17:43, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, added my input there. —Legoless (talk) 17:56, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Namespace in the Page Title[edit]

Technical skin/style/css/js type question; is there a way to move/hide/shrink the namespace part of a page title? I was just looking at Tes5Mod:Beyond Skyrim: Cyrodiil/Absent Antiquity, or even Skyrim:I Done Got Thaned!, and thinking how much tidier they would both look if just Absent Antiquity and I Done Got Thaned! were prominent.

For example:

  • User-Enodoc-Title Style Question Monobook.png
  • User-Enodoc-Title Style Question Vector.png

Thanks! --Enodoc (talk) 00:17, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Not that I'm aware of, no. Looking at the HTML code, it looks like it's emitted as a single line of text with no CSS applied to specific sections. There might be something lower down, at the level of an extension or adding a custom skin, but that's not gonna be easy. It's a good idea, though!

Unable to create thumbnail error[edit]

Do you have any idea what could be causing the error on this page? It looks like a server-side error, I can't find any problems in my code, which works on every other case so far. Thought it might have something to do with the fact that image was moved due to the skill being renamed, but it's not the only time that happened and none of the others are causing problems. It seems like it's just not possible to create any new thumbnails of that icon, only the standard 48 pixels and the full-scale 64 pixels:

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ON-icon-skill-Bow-Endless Hail.png ON-icon-skill-Bow-Endless Hail.png ON-icon-skill-Bow-Endless Hail.png ON-icon-skill-Bow-Endless Hail.png
works works broken broken

TheRealLurlock (talk) 04:13, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

It's likely that the drive for creating image thumbnails is temporarily full. I'll bump this up to Dave. If that's all it is, it'll probably just take him a sec whenever he gets up in the morning. Robin Hood  (talk) 07:30, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
I was thinking about that, but I created dozens of thumbnails both before and after that one, so unless they're on different drives? I don't know. — TheRealLurlock (talk) 14:36, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Fixed! This was ultimately due to a file/directory permission issue and not drive space. It looks like RobinHood manually (or somehow via the shell) created a few thumbnail directories which prevented Apache from being able to write to them. -- Daveh (talk) 15:23, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Yay, thanks! I was going nuts trying to figure out if there was something going wrong with my template. Even tried re-uploading the image. Next experiment would've been to completely delete it first and then re-upload. Glad you could fix it server-side. I did notice that it was the bot which moved that file, not sure if that's in any way relevant. I'm currently doing a sandbox to test this template on literally all the skills, so I'll let you know if any other errors pop up. — TheRealLurlock (talk) 16:48, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
I certainly didn't do that last night. I'm wondering if it was a couple of years ago, to fix another problem we had where there were misplaced files and thumbnails. Robin Hood  (talk) 17:27, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Yeah it probably only showed up now because nobody tried to make another thumbnail for that image until just now. Anyhow, I've now tested the template on every skill currently in the game (not counting deprecated skills) and there were no other server issues. — TheRealLurlock (talk) 18:46, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Legends tables and Card Data[edit]

Hey Rob, here I am again with some table and template questions. I tried to use Template:Decklist in my sandbox here User:Ilaro/Sandbox3, but as you can see, the last column of the College of Winterhold card makes some strange shapes. I think we saw this already somewhere before due to the extra added column on the right side of the table. Do you know how the template could be fixed? I figured it has something to do with Template:Card Data?

Also, do you know if Dave managed to find/fix anything about the MetaTemplate not saving that template properly from our discussion here: UESPWiki:Bot Requests#Card links and pop-ups? --Ilaro (talk) 22:55, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

I fixed the Decklist template. I haven't heard anything back from Dave on the MetaTemplate issue. I suspect that might not be an easy fix. Robin Hood  (talk) 23:16, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Thank you again! --Ilaro (talk) 23:33, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Legends tables (another question)[edit]

Hey Robin! Since we started to use tables without card images (like here, for example), we've run into the problem that it is hard to discern the different attributes of the cards. So I thought it would be nice if the Attribute/Class column from Template:Card Data could be changed to also display the Attribute icon. For example, when strength is used it should display "Strength Strength". I tried to do it myself, however there are also double attributes (like "StrengthAgility Archer") and I am getting completely lost how I should even begin to add those without breaking everything. So that's how I ended up at your talk page again. I hope you know how to add these icons to the template. If you'd like to help me out, I made a small overview to show what combination there are. --Ilaro (talk) 14:59, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

I actually changed the {{LG Attribute Icon}} template itself, so it now handles classes as well as attributes (e.g., StrengthAgility Archer). I've put it into action on the Classes page, as well as {{Card Data}}, but if there's anywhere else that needs it, go nuts. If there's a lot that would need to be changed, let me know and I'll see if I can get the bot going on it instead. Robin Hood  (talk) 16:48, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
That's a quite elegant solution actually! I don't think the bot is necessary, because there are not that many places the class names are used outside the tables and the class page itself. There is one strange thing happening with Template:Decklist, though. There are all kind of "}} }} }}" above the tables now (see here). --Ilaro (talk) 16:55, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Just a slight bracket mismatch that I didn't notice in testing. It's fixed now. Robin Hood  (talk) 17:15, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Thank you again, you are a template hero! --Ilaro (talk) 17:32, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Quick Bot Job - Crown Crates[edit]

Hey, it occurred to me since splitting Crown Crates so that each crate theme has its own page, there may be some places that still link to the no-longer-existing sub-sections of that page. Could you run a search for all pages that link to e.g. "Online:Crown Crates#Flame Atronach Crates" and change them to link to Flame Atronach Crown Crate, et al? — TheRealLurlock (talk) 15:49, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

In progress. I also took the liberty of replacing links with similar text, like those found on Body Markings. It's a dumb-replace, though, so it'll only match the specific text that I gave it. If there are other common occurrences like that, I can always run it again; if it's just a handful, though, it'll be faster to change them by hand. Robin Hood  (talk) 19:13, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Alright, if you're collecting a list of questionable edits, just let me know and I'll double-check them. Thanks. — TheRealLurlock (talk) 16:32, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Template on Online:Style Materials[edit]

I'm trying to figure out what the purpose of the /Row template is on Online:Style Materials. What benefit does it provide over just standard table notation? It has a significant drawback in that it breaks the sortable table class, so it's not possible to e.g. sort by style, which doesn't seem like an unreasonable request for such a table to have. This template isn't used anywhere else, so I can't see how it's all that useful. While I do prefer the table format to the old list page, this template prevents us from using the most beneficial feature of the table layout. — TheRealLurlock (talk) 14:58, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Simplicity and consistency of formatting without having to change every single row when we want to change something. It shouldn't be breaking the Style sorting, though. I'll look at that. Robin Hood  (talk) 17:00, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
I've traced the problem down to the colspan for the image, but I'm not sure why it's causing a problem. Our sorting code is supposed to handle that correctly. It's possible that something's gotten broken over the years, or that there's something in the format of that particular table that it's not handling correctly. I can't look at it any further right now, but I'll come back to it later today. Robin Hood  (talk) 17:35, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Hmm. We use colspans on plenty of other sortable tables without issues. I wonder why it'd be a problem in this case? It's a start though, I might be able to work with that. Wait, I just realized what you meant - in other cases we use colspans on the header row, I can't think of any cases where colspans are used in the body of the table. That may be a problem. Best solution I can think of is to make them just 1 cell, but with 2 images side by side in it, then somehow fake the appearance of 2 cells in the header? — TheRealLurlock (talk) 18:16, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Well, that worked pretty nicely I think. It looks slightly different in that the divider line doesn't go all the way to the top and bottom of the cell, but not too bad, and if it means the table sorting works properly, I'd say it's an acceptable loss. — TheRealLurlock (talk) 18:35, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Looks good to me! Robin Hood  (talk) 03:05, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Cite book[edit]

Something appears broken with it, possibly as a result of all the recent changes, as it is not displaying the book title in references on lore pages. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 17:42, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, it's fixed for now. It's also on my list of things to take a look at once this project is closer to finished—that template is doing things you really don't want to be doing in a wide use template, so I'm hoping that once I'm done, there will be a simpler solution. Robin Hood  (talk) 18:01, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
It's always bugged me that "book" is not capitalised in that template. In your overhaul would you consider capitilising it (maybe leave a redirect for the older users)? Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 18:27, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
Sure, that makes sense. Robin Hood  (talk) 18:50, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Requesting cartographer status[edit]

Hello, I'd like to request cartographer status in order to be able to edit the ESO map. From what I understand, this is usually only granted to patrollers and administrators, but I was invited by User:Alpha Kenny Buddy to become a patroller in 2016 (see my talk page for the discussion) and I did not accept only because I do not contribute to UESP for more than a few weeks or months at a stretch. Hopefully the invitation itself is sufficient evidence of my qualifications as an editor. I would also like to mention that I do have prior experience with editing the ESO map during the weeks after the Morrowind chapter released, before the cartographer status was a requirement. Croaker (talk) 00:44, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

It's not specifically admins and patrollers that get those permissions, we just want to make sure that any users who can edit our maps have demonstrated their editing skills. You certainly qualify, so I've granted you the permission. Let me know if you run into any problems. Robin Hood  (talk) 02:42, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
I'll be sure to, and thank you. Croaker (talk) 03:32, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Possible bot request - centering[edit]

So I don't know if you remember, but a while back we were having issues with the "center" tag on images, which have still not been resolved. On my laptop's Chrome browser, it causes the image to simply not display at all, and I've also noticed on my tablet and phone that the Chrome browsers there display the image, but not centered. Likewise for the Silk browser on the tablet and the Samsung native browser on the phone.

I came up with a method that works in all browsers that I have available to test, and I'd like to change all the pages that use the old method to this - unless you can find a way to fix the center tag instead, that is. Right now it either doesn't actually center the image, or worse, makes it disappear entirely. If we can't fix that, though, could you get the bot to go through all the pages in Online-Places-Survey_Reports and Online-Places-Treasure_Maps and change them to use the formatting used on Alchemist Survey: Glenumbra - notably remove the "|center" tag and embed the image in a table. (I gave the table 70% width so that it doesn't get pushed below the infobox template.)

I've tested this method in Chrome and Edge on my laptop, Chrome and Silk on tablet, Chrome and Samsung browser on the phone, and had several people in Discord testing on Firefox, Opera, Safari, Puffin and others, and this seems to work for everyone. I'm open to other suggestions, but the current method doesn't work right now, so we need to fix it one way or another. — TheRealLurlock (talk) 17:15, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

That's a really ugly way to work around the problem. If we can, I'd rather fix the underlying issue or, failing that, see what else we can find. I'll look into it. Tables are cumbersome and slow, so I really don't want to introduce them all over the place. A <div> would be better, but even that's a less-than-ideal workaround, in the sense that we're changing things globally across the wiki for what's likely a version-specific and/or browser-specific issue. What version of Chrome are you using, btw? I'm using the PC version of Chrome, 66.0.3359.139 (Official Build) (64-bit), and everything looks fine for me, regardless of centering method. It would be nice if I were able to reproduce the problem so I can test to see what works and what doesn't. Robin Hood  (talk) 18:01, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
The version is 65.0.3325.181, which is not all that old - I think it dates back to September. I could update it, sure, but this isn't just about me, it's quite likely I'm not the only one using this version, so if I update it still doesn't fix the problem. It also doesn't fix the fact that the image is not centered on several other (mobile) browsers even if it does display. The center tag just plain doesn't work reliably and needs to be fixed or retired. — TheRealLurlock (talk) 19:30, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
I'm also using 65.0.3325.181, but the images are visible and centered on my desktop browser. Visible but left-aligned on mobile. That could be fixed by copying the .center rules from /skins/common/commonElements.css into the mobile stylesheet. Rigel Kent (talk) 20:15, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing me to that, Rigel. That was next on my list was to track down where that style was defined. :) Robin Hood  (talk) 20:26, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Actually, Rigel, you seem a bit more knowledgeable about all this than I am—if you're still paying attention to this conversation, any idea where I want to copy the center styles to? I've tried two different things now (one server-side, the other wiki-side) and both have failed. Robin Hood  (talk) 21:08, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, MediaWiki:Common.css is desktop only for some reason. MediaWiki:Mobile.css should be the equivalent for mobile. Rigel Kent (talk) 23:13, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Hey, that seems to have done it. Thanks! Also, excellent timing. I got EC'd from typing another message saying I'd bumped it up to the site owner, but now we don't have to worry about that. And I've learned something new today to boot. :) Robin Hood  (talk) 23:18, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Has the change to mobile CSS affected the display for you at all TheRealLurlock? Rigel Kent (talk) 23:42, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Oh, yeah, you weren't in the Discord chat so you wouldn't know. We got that one figured out. It was a custom AdBlock rule that was getting in the way, stripping out the entire centered contents. It was intended to remove the bottom ad on the site, but was overzealous. That was a completely separate issue from the mobile centering, we realized. Robin Hood  (talk) 00:09, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Arena Places[edit]

Got either a quick or a difficult problem, depending on the solution. The {{Arena Place Summary}} is incompatible with {{Place Link}} because it uses desc instead of description. Either the summary needs changed to description and all instances updated (50-60 uses), or the link template needs a custom rule for use in Arena. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 00:29, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

It also wasn't saving the description, although that kind of goes hand-in-hand with the naming issue. Renaming it made the most sense, so the bot's on that now. Thanks! Robin Hood  (talk) 00:55, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 19:16, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

To be shared with HotnBOThered[edit]

You have been given a plateful of cookies!

For all the excellent bot work today! —Legoless (talk) 23:27, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

We both thank you! :) Robin Hood  (talk) 23:36, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Deleting Add-ons on main page.[edit]

If you're going to delete the Add-onds page in favor of the Plug-ins page, you need to modify the main page to actually say plugins, not just leave a hole, please. Don't have privileges to fix that. (Litrevan (talk) 10:20, 23 May 2018 (UTC))

I've fixed the sidebar, if that's what you meant. If it was something else, please let me know, because I don't see anything on "the main page" (either the main page for Morrowind or the wiki's main page). IP users see cached versions of pages sometimes, so it could just be that. Now that you have an account, you might be seeing something different. Thanks for letting me know, either way! Robin Hood  (talk) 16:38, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Game Books[edit]

Something in the template appears to be interfering with secondary transclusions. The book ON:The Year 2920, Vol. 8 is not displaying text from its second section transclusion in the same format. Giving it a lorename=none and transcluding the first section manually makes it work. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 01:26, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, that's intentional behaviour, though it does mean that special cases like that one need a few changes to work properly. The reason is that Game Book turns off the book class once it's done transcluding. In a case like that one, however, you need to insert the text before it does that, which is what the addafter parameter is for...which I apparently didn't document. Robin Hood  (talk) 03:49, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Bot request[edit]

Can I prevail on you for a simple bot job? I just need to go through the images in Category:Online-Furnishing_Images-Light and change all uses of the parameter light=y to lightcolor=Orange. (I've already manually changed all the ones that were not orange, and some that were, so ignore any images which do not currently use the "light" parameter.) Should be around 200 or so images left to do. Thanks. — TheRealLurlock (talk) 17:26, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Done! Robin Hood  (talk) 22:20, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. That saved me a bunch of tedium. (Also helped me notice one blue one I would otherwise have missed.) — TheRealLurlock (talk) 14:31, 3 July 2018 (UTC)


Hi, I was thinking to do a icon for {{maplink}} so it would not use those (map) representations but there is no such template? Black magic? Ek1 (talk) 12:34, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

I think the template you're looking for is {{Map Link}}. Did you see something calling "maplink" somewhere? Robin Hood  (talk) 13:33, 4 April 2019 (UTC)


I hugely disagree with naming templates by their most used name. They should be at their full name for people to easily see what they are for. Having them at abbreviations makes them much harder to understand. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 16:36, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

If you have a counter argument I'd love to hear it. Otherwise please undo all the moves I've just done because none of them are at their most used name, and most never will be. That includes moving VN to Vn too. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 16:51, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Seeing as you have nothing to say I've gone ahead and marked the VN template as needs renaming. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 17:21, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
I had nothing to say because I hadn't gotten the message yet. The counter-argument is that redirects, while trivial, still consume at least some processor power, as does using the longer name as the primary name, though as I said, in most cases that's probably negligible. When talking about high-use templates, those trivialities start to add up. The double-move has really futzed with the "What Links Here", so right now, Wip is just a mess of duplications, but I believe that's the higher-use one (e.g., Lore:Sotha Sil appears in both, but is in fact only using "Wip"). It looks like you're right about VN, though. That probably should have been Vn. That was my mistake. Maybe before moving any more high-traffic templates, we should start a discussion about it. Robin Hood  (talk) 17:58, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
This was a massive change to many high use templates without any sort of discussion. That discussion should have happened BEFORE all these moves, not after. I'm considering rolling back the lot of the moves until a proper discussion can be made. Edits like this are hugely disruptive, especially when made without consensus. Jeancey (talk) 18:04, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
There already exists full name templates where the majority of uses are actually using shortcuts. Template space should not be and isn't immune to the standard article capitalisation. Therefore Wip is wrongly named, and should be at WIP if using abbreviations or the full name to allow for using the uncapped redirect. These are uncontroversial moves so long as you don't view template space as being allowed to follow idiotic naming standards, the same type of standards that are now abhorrent to find in files or other articles and wouldn't last an hour if newly created. There are a handful of templates that I had no idea what they were for simply by name alone, who knows how many of them would cause consternation to a newcomer. How many people reading can tell what the template {{C}} is used for without clicking the link?
(edit conflict) Jeancey if you undo these moves you will be doubling up the server load only to see them moved back later. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 18:17, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
I agree with capitalisation but I think at least vn, wip and ec need to exist primarily at their lowercase abbreviations. Are there any other abbreviations? --Enodoc (talk) 18:26, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Template space is an absolute mess of different capitalizations, and I absolutely applaud your desire to make things more consistent! In the end, I think that's something we should really we working on. But when you're talking about existing, highly transcluded pages, there are a lot of things to take into consideration, ideally before any moves occur. Let's have that discussion, preferably in a more public venue than my talk page, before making any hasty decisions. Robin Hood  (talk) 18:30, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

() There are plenty of abbreviations, not so many as the main template. An example would be {{Al}} and basically all the namespace shortcuts (BM, DB, SR). Abbreviations or shortened versions that are more in use than their full name are Uns/Uns2 and od/OD, Speed/Prod. There are some templates that use a game abbreviation before stating their use, though more use the full game name. The only reason anyone would undo the partial-capitilising moves I made is pure egotism (eg Discussion moved to Discussion Moved). The links to them can be updated removing any server load associated with using redirects. There's no logical argument to oppose them when a number of previous examples have gone through with the barest of prompts (#Cite book). And people follow moves, they'll it capped and start using the capped name, especially after the uncapped names are deleted. There are other templates that could do with moving, and they will have the barest impact on the server, some depending only on admin activity prior to when they are moved (Speedydeletion should be moved to Speedy Deletion). Some templates I had little-to-no intention of altering becuase their use is limited solely to other templates, though even then they still lack obvious knowledge (eg FacReact, TemProtect (should at least be TempProtect though)). Having a discussion about the necessity to move something only delays the point at which the server is impacted, it does not stop it. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 19:00, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes, there are plenty of abbreviations that don't follow the same pattern as others. As I said above, template space is a mess in a lot of ways. Please don't project your assumptions of motive onto me or anyone else. Quite simply, they're wrong, and they don't aid this discussion in any way. Much of the rest of what you've said, I agree with. As far as having a discussion goes, though, what that does is makes sure that the server impact of a large move only occurs once, not multiple times from people having different concerns and following different rules.
Since you initiated this, please start a discussion about your ideas on how to go about this somewhere else (or copy this one, if you prefer). Or someone else can, I'm not really that concerned about who gets the ball rolling. I'm rather busy with something else right now, and this isn't what I need to deal with right now. This discussion should involve the rest of the community so the decision is, hopefully, final. Robin Hood  (talk) 19:45, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

CK help[edit]

Hi Rob, a quick question from me. I'm trying to play this quest but short of console commands I can't get it to start. Essentially I need to speak to a certain NPC but the topic never comes up. I had a quick look in the CK and I think I've found the bug: one of the conditions attached to the dialogue is IsPS3==1. According to this page, that means the condition requires you to be playing on PS3, which would explain why it's not showing up for me. Does this sound right or have I got the wrong end of the stick? Thanks! --SerCenKing (talk) 16:49, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, that sounds like a bug alright. They probably meant for it to be another function, like IsPCSleeping or something like that, and just typed the wrong one without noticing. Robin Hood  (talk) 20:22, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
Brilliant, thank you! --SerCenKing (talk) 11:09, 8 September 2019 (UTC)


Just wanted to thank you for the courtesy edits, much appreciated! --Rezalon (talk) 02:31, 6 November 2019 (GMT)

No problem, I was just doing template maintenance after Silencer pointed out that there were a lot of blank spaces being left by the template now (which I'm pretty sure was caused by a change in MediaWiki itself). Especially in that scenario, it's hard to figure out what something used to look like, so on some of the user pages, I had to guess. Most of the Lore pages and such were easier, since they follow a specific format...or at least they're supposed to. :) Robin Hood  (talk) 09:29, 6 November 2019 (GMT)


As discussed, mostly in frustration earlier, i've been attempting to get the wikEd editor I use to work as a gadget. The scripts are functional (with one set of strange buttons) on the wiki as they are.

Copies on en.uesp: wikEd.js, wikEdDiff.js & diff.js
Copies on dev.uesp: wikEd.js, wikdEdDiff.js & diff.js.

Both sets of .js work correctly, and enable the show changes without page loading functionality. When imported as a gadget, I can't get that one feature to work. The rest functions as is should do.

I've tried copying both wikEd and wikEdDiff into the gadgets pages in their entirety as well as importing them as WP recommends but none of those get that feature to work.

The sheets work fully when manually imported, unless theres a magical brainwave about it, i'd suggest moving the files in my userspace to UESPWiki:Javascript/ as they are which will enable full functionality for those that want it. If the gadget can't be fixed, which i'm not an expert at this stuff so it may well be something easy i'm missing, i'd go for a slightly seperate version with the show changes without page loading functionality removed which would give a good portion of its utility easily accessible by most.

On a slightly more positive note, I created the gadget for "ajaxRC" with no issues and this is currently available and working correctly. The following pages will want their content type changing: UESPWiki:Javascript/ajaxRC.js and potentially MediaWiki:Gadget-ajaxRC.js. As well, can UESPWiki:Javascript/ajaxRC.js be fully write/move protected in-line with the other java pages? Thanks! Kiz(email - talk) 02:20, 10 November 2019 (GMT)

No thanks[edit]

I've been contributing to this site for 9 years, and you only bothered to post a welcome message on my discussion page now that I'm on the radar because admins are ganging up to badger me for a "necro post" contribution to a discussion page of all things. Sorry, I'm done with this wiki. --HunterZ (talk) 07:24, 10 November 2019 (GMT)

On the contrary, I failed to notice the timeline, and only noticed the relatively small number of posts. I apologize if that came across poorly. I've already posted a response to Kiz's actions on your talk page, but please feel free to post either here or there if you'd like to discuss it further. I'm also available on the Discord server if you'd prefer. Robin Hood  (talk) 07:26, 10 November 2019 (GMT)

Hoar Father page[edit]

Hi, I was just curious to know : why did you changed the missing words I added to one of the quote ? I mean, they are verified just like other words. Is there a specific site to give as source ? Kahvozein (talk) 00:54, 30 March 2020 (GMT)

Where/how did you verify them? We don't have anything on the wiki that points to a translation for those words, so I assumed it was speculation. If there's an in-game text or official translation somewhere, that's what we're looking for. If you just got the translation off the web or from another wiki, that's not sufficient unless they're citing a reliable source themselves. If they are verifiable, then by all means, we can put them back on the page, though. We just want to be sure. Thanks! Robin Hood  (talk) 02:11, 30 March 2020 (GMT)
Is the "Prima Games Official Game Guide: Skyrim Legendary Edition" a sufficient source? It contains a lot of official word translations that could help enhancing the site.— Unsigned comment by Kahvozein (talkcontribs) at 22:54 on 30 March 2020
Yes, the official Prima Guides are sufficient. There are still several places on the site where pages can be updated with information from there. However, you should still source sentences where information from the guides is used. --Ilaro (talk) 23:08, 30 March 2020 (GMT)



Just wondering, when I add the {{unsigned|user}} to an unsigned comment, do I mark it as a minor edit? Werewolfvampirre  (talk)

If that's all you're doing, then yeah, that would be minor. If you're actually replying to a comment, then I'd consider it a normal edit. It's not a big deal if you get it wrong either way, though. Robin Hood  (talk) 20:30, 9 May 2020 (GMT)
Thanks! Werewolfvampirre  (talk)

Effect Cell Mechanic[edit]


I'm working to help add/update pages for the new alchemy reagents and runes, and their effects that were released with the Greymoor chapter. Could you help me understand why, after creating what I believe to be a properly formatted stub article on the Timidity effect, does the reagent list on not display the appropriate color for an offensive effect (red) nor the ON-icon-effect-Alchemy-Lower_Spell_Resist.png icon for the Timidity effect?

Thank you,


It appears to be working now. It may have just taken a while for the wiki to catch up to what you'd done. There can be a couple of reasons for this, but typically, purging the Alchemy Ingredients page would cause it to refresh properly. If you're not familiar with purging a page, you can do it either using a gadget (see the Gadgets page in your preferences, or by editing the page and then changing the action=edit to action=purge. Robin Hood  (talk) 21:53, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Dragonborn page protection broke mod icon?[edit]


I noticed that after the Skyrim: Dragonborn page was semi-protected, the mod icon in the header now appears to be broken somehow, at least for me. It now shows up as this icon instead of what it should. Not sure if the page protection broke the header somehow or if it's just a weird problem on my end, but I thought I'd point it out anyway. — Wolfborn(Howl) 22:03, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

That appears to have been temporary, or possibly someone purged the page to fix it. Either way, it's good now. The utility we're using to save page data like that was written back around MW 1.10 and updated as needed since then, but it could really use an overhaul to fix these sorts of issues. In the meantime, the best we can do is purge the page and see if things get fixed. If not, then it's likely a template issue or something. Robin Hood(talk) 22:10, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Actually, I just figured it out and fixed it. The Protected template was added after the Mod Header template and that was breaking the icon. I moved the Protected template to the beginning of the page and that seems to have fixed the issue. Unfortunately that idea occurred to me two minutes after I posted here. Anyway, it's all good now, thanks. — Wolfborn(Howl) 22:15, 21 September 2020 (UTC) that case, that's something I'll want to take a look at to see what's going on there. Thanks for the info! Robin Hood(talk) 22:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Hmmm... this gets stranger... I just tried moving the Protection template back to its old position, and a Page Preview came up perfectly okay for me. Not sure what the heck happened there now. I think I'll just leave this here and stop trying to figure it out... — Wolfborn(Howl) 22:31, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
My first guess was correct, it was indeed the add-on that saves data that was the issue. It had been worked around previously and documented in the Mod Header docs, but apparently, I never fixed it on that page (or it got reverted at some point if I did). I'll have to see if there are any other instances like that. Robin Hood(talk) 22:34, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for figuring it out and clarifying! — Wolfborn(Howl) 22:36, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

New template[edit]

Hey, I've been doing some work on the Tes5Mod:Beyond Skyrim: Cyrodiil namespace and wanted to ask a favour. Similarly to TR, which has Tamriel Data, Beyond Skyrim has BSAssets. I wanted to start add some stuff in that namespace too and wondered if we could create a new template akin to {{BS5C|}}? Ideally I'd like {{BSA|XYZ}} being a link to [[Tes5Mod: Beyond Skyrim: BSAssets/XYZ|]] (I'd like to keep {{BS5A|}} for the Atmora release). Is this something you could help with? Thanks! --SerCenKing (talk) 20:24, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

That shouldn't be a problem. I'll have a look at it later tonight. Robin Hood(talk) 23:51, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
All done! Let me know if there are any issues. Robin Hood(talk) 00:34, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Looks perfect, thank you very much! --SerCenKing (talk) 20:00, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Another Broken Mod Header Icon[edit]

Hi Robin

I noticed that the Mod Header icon for the Markarth DLC is not displaying properly; it shows this: [[File:|x32px|Markarth|link=Online:Markarth (DLC)]] instead of the icon (as seen on this page, for example). I can't for the life of me figure out how or where to fix this, so I thought I'd give you a heads-up. — Wolfborn(Howl) 00:33, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

I've fixed the template to not spit out code. As for the icon itself, it needs to go in between the two bars in {{Mod Icon Data||36}} on the redirect page. Robin Hood(talk) 01:11, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. This template stuff is still mostly Greek to me, but I think I sorta kinda see what's going on here. Cheers! — Wolfborn(Howl) 02:21, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
LOL, it was to me too for the first several years I was here. Then, one day, I just kind of decided "Okay, I need to learn this." The basics were surprisingly easy, but counting the number of curly brackets is maddening to this day! Robin Hood(talk) 02:28, 7 October 2020 (UTC)