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Hi Biffa! Got some images for you![edit]

I took shots of all but the last request for the Karthspire articles (wasn't far enough into the main quest on my current save), and now I'm working on the Kolbjorn Barrow/Unearthed requests. Those should be up within a day or two at the Image Requests page. Wasn't sure if you got a notice/was checking the page. Cheers! Likelolwhat (talk) 08:19, 26 December 2013 (GMT)

Will get them done in next 24hours. Biffa (talk) 18:25, 19 January 2014 (GMT)

Image Requests[edit]

Hi Biffa. Please remember to remove fulfilled requests from the Image Requests page. If you do not do so in one week I will place the images for you and remove the requests. Thanks. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 22:10, 13 January 2014 (GMT)

Will get these donw in next 24hours Biffa (talk) 18:24, 19 January 2014 (GMT)

Sorry I've been missing[edit]

Happy Christmas / Yule / New Year to all, sorry I've been missing, my health took a hit over xmas. Hopefully be back up fully soon. Biffa (talk) 18:21, 19 January 2014 (GMT)

I'm sorry you're not well, Biffa! Here is hoping you have a swift recovery! --AKB Talk Cont Mail 18:25, 19 January 2014 (GMT)
Cheers, nothing new. Biffa (talk) 20:40, 20 January 2014 (GMT)

More Image Requests[edit]

Hey Biffa! Just a quick reminder – remember to remove (and use) your fulfilled Image Requests. Thanks, and keep up the good work! --Krusty (talk) 16:55, 24 February 2014 (GMT)

oops, sorry. Done now. Biffa (talk) 21:02, 24 February 2014 (EST)

Solitude images[edit]

Hi Biffa! Am currently wandering through Solitude and took some pics for you. But a quick question - the interior of Solitude sawmill - is that the interior of the residence or the mill itself?--Beezer1029 (talk) 14:54, 12 March 2014 (GMT)

Hi interior of the residence please, sorry should have been clearer. Cheers. Biffa (talk) 16:29, 12 March 2014 (GMT)

Hi! Been meaning to get Katla's farm to you, but wanted to know if its what you had in mind. --Beezer1029 (talk) 17:58, 25 March 2014 (GMT)

Yes that great. With images, unless there is a particular shot I really want, I try and leave it quite general so that you can use your skill and artistic ability to choose the right shots, so don't be afraid to offer something similar to what I ask for, but that you think is a better image as I'll go with it 99/100 times. Thanks for your efforts as think it's the images that really make the place pages stand out! Biffa (talk) 18:31, 25 March 2014 (GMT)
Cool!--Beezer1029 (talk) 18:51, 25 March 2014 (GMT)

Testing[edit]

I appear to have gone into one in my reply on Irkingthand, so I offer a small apology for any offense caused. Your testing methods do not appear to be of sufficient standard to stop many items appearing again and again, even though they are random (one example here). If you don't mind, would you explain to me exactly how you test an area, and I will explain how I manage thorough testing (as much as can be achieved on consoles mind), where any changes have really only been limited to 'leveled>random' by testing on PC. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 19:34, 19 March 2014 (GMT)

Image Requests[edit]

Hey, Biffa, may you kindly slow down on Image Requests? As you will observe, we have very few photographers who are taking photographs, and only one, Roger, appears to be processing requests for Skyrim images, with the ESO release and all. We are short on manpower, and it's simply not realistic to be able to have that many images processed at one time, which according to my counting is 111 images for 38 articles. May you perhaps create a sandbox with your requests in your userspace so you know what you want, and then only post one to three articles or so at a time on the requests page? A smaller list is less intimidating to photographers, and it would make the page more manageable for ESO-related requests and new users as well. Thanks. -damon  talkcontribs 16:01, 30 March 2014 (GMT)

Yes, no problems I'll create it now and place a link to the list on the image page. One point I generally only add a few individual image (1-6) requests each day, however the current list includes almost a full months worth. I'm trying to complete as many of the house pages before I gain access to ESO. Biffa (talk) 16:20, 30 March 2014 (GMT)

Healing[edit]

Hey, Biffa, I noticed that you'd been linking to Skyrim:Healing when describing healing potions. As odd as it may seem, Healing is actually a spell with the Restore Health effect, so it would be better if you would link to Skyrim:Restore Health instead. Thanks! --AN|L (talk) 16:36, 14 May 2014 (GMT)

No worries will change to using that instead. Sorry. Biffa (talk) 16:43, 14 May 2014 (GMT)

What is the point?[edit]

Is there any point to me trying to help? I may be being overly sensitive and I've had one of the worst weeks of my life, but showings minor changes as fixes is less than diplomatic. Undoing me changing [[Dragonborn: back to [[DB, when I've been told in the past to make this change whenever I come across this. I added a link for an east empire company strongbox and similar, but that's been reverted? What's the point, I've done everything in my power to make a positive contribution to this site, but this is pathetic. I think I'll go back to just using the site without give my time, energy and efforts to try and help, that way I won't end up constantly feeling that I'm wasting my time. It's been one of the worst weeks of my life, so I'm possibly being overly sensitive, and no doubt will end up regretting this post, who knows. I feel like I can't win, no matter what I do, no matter how I try and improve the quality of my posts to suit the different preferences, but I can't do that when there are so many points that are directly in contrast of each other. So what is the point? Biffa (talk) 10:22, 20 May 2014 (GMT)

First, it's okay. We all have bad weeks. Everyone will understand, as long as you're careful not to get so emotional that you end up being confrontational (we've lost some good editors over emotional moments). If you're upset, it might help to stay away from editing for a bit to give yourself some time to relax.
Second, I think the kind of change you described is a bit unnecessary. I don't know who told you to make the change whenever you came across it, but either one of them works fine and does the intended job, so changing it after the fact doesn't really accomplish anything. You're right that some of our guidelines can seem to contradict each other at times, and in such cases it's usually left for the community to decide via our good friend consensus.
Third, DON'T LET YOURSELF FEEL UNIMPORTANT. I can't stress this enough. You're a great editor and you've been helping out the site a lot in a number of ways. Even I still make mistakes that I didn't realize were mistakes, and I've been here for 3 and a half years now (that's why I was inactive for the last few months). It's not a big deal, just think of it as a learning experience and, if you feel stressed over your contributions, try taking a wiki break for a few weeks like I did. Nobody will hold it against an editor as good as you :-) ThuumofReason (talk) 12:34, 20 May 2014 (GMT)
Hi Biffa, I've has a look at your recent changes to try and understand what the problem was. I think this is the one maybe? I'm no policy expert, but I can say that I have certainly seen regular editors change the namespace links from "SR" to "Skyrim" (And I personally never use the shorthand version) so I don't think you was incorrect. I have no idea why Alphabetface only changed the Rieklings link and not the other links, but I don't think you was incorrect.
As for the link to East Empire Company strongbox - again, I have no idea why that link was removed. I originally thought it was because a link appeared earlier in the article, but there is no link to that page anywhere, so I see no problem in adding the link to the first instance (in the opening paragraph)
I know sometimes other editors can come across as cold, undiplomatic and maybe even rude, but most of the time they don't mean it in a bad way. Wikis are sometimes harsh like that. You seem to be one of the few people filling out these location articles (I could never have the patience for it!) - and with ESO out now, I can't see anyone else taking up the mantle anytime soon, so know that your help is much appreciated. --Jimeee (talk) 13:29, 20 May 2014 (GMT)
I feel you on the DB to Dragonborn thing. Before the policy was changed, people would make corrections to my edits that consisted entirely of fixing those links, which drove me nuts. Anyway, my advice would be to just try not to let the wiki offend you. It's way too easy to let it get to you. One of the problems with internet interactions like this is that you can't read the person's emotions, so it's way too easy to see a revert or a change to your edits as criticism or the editor ganging up on you, particularly if you are having a bad time irl. I know it's happened to me many times. Also, don't be afraid to take edits to the talk page if you disagree with them, even if it's an admin. At the best, your edit stands, at the worst at least you get an explanation. There have been many instances since I joined the wiki of reverts being overturned by someone who was willing to discuss the edits. In the case of Alphabetface's edit, she's been inactive from the wiki for quite some time, so she might be just enforcing that old guideline. --AN|L (talk) 15:22, 20 May 2014 (GMT)
Sorry folks don't mean to be a pain. Should have left it, especially as knew I was going to react to something. I'd not clicked the watchlist button since yesterday because I knew it would set me off. Stupid to do that to myself. I should have left it alone. It wasn't a single change, that one was mainly undoing what I'd changed without actually clicking the undo button. I might spend a few hours sat in the Retching Netch having a few Emberbrand wines, if only I could irl! but that would only create a retching Biffa, so maybe not! Thanks for the words of support. Biffa (talk) 15:30, 20 May 2014 (GMT)
I know this is a late comment on the situation, but I wasn't aware of this at the time etc. I wanted to clarify on the full name linking, this is something I've been pursuing since I've been told it was better that way. It's likely you've seen me changing those ugly "sr:" links to proper "Skyrim:" links, and I fully encourage you to do the same. I do believe many view this as unimportant, so there's a bit of debate on it. I believe it was fine if not creating a heap of small edits that'd flood the recent changes. Anyway, my message really is to simply not use those ugly short links in the future, and if you happen to come across one or two by accident and fix them, I can only commend that. In any case, the correction to the edit you were talking about here, had mistakes in it, it's as simple as that, and I don't think you need to look further into that, you were correct.
On another note, I get the impression you're one of those hardcore literal people, freaking out over the tiniest details because they imply something slightly different. Personally, I love that, because as an autist, I'm just like that. Though I think you need to understand that some things, like bugs in notes, are part of "our rules", if I can clarify it best that way. It's something to feel ok about, because that's how it's done here. I've just read that discussion somewhere, and I saw you just could not agree with it, and it ended with you still asking why it's like that, so if you want, I can try to explain again. Anyway, my point is, you've been very defensive about your point of view, so much so it seems to prevent you from understanding, now this is just an observation and I mean nothing by it. What I really want to say is, I've seen you make sense and people replying that it's not a big deal etc., but I understand what you mean, and I agree with your thinking, I think it's important for you to hear that, cause you may feel like you're all on your own here, but that's simply not true. And contrary to what you may have heard, we appreciate your help and your opinion ~ Dwarfmp (talk) 14:32, 17 July 2014 (GMT)
Biffa, I personally think you're one of the most helpful editors on the wiki right now, I love that I am always seeing you add real content to the wiki on a regular basis. If there is anything I do personally that you are confused by, or want an explanation on, please ask! I am always willing to look back at something and give my input if I'm around. I haven't been nearly as active recently as I'd been in the past, but I do keep an eye on my (huge) watchlist, and there are certain pages in particular that I am very picky about for one reason or another. Like you, I've had strong emotional reactions to wiki-happenings in the past, and I totally get it. But please don't get so discouraged that you stop editing altogether. You are a valuable contributor, and I for one want to see you stick around.
There are many practices around here that seem to contradict each other, and sometimes there's a reason for it that's hard to see, while other times it's simply because various editors view it differently. Even within the same namespace, place pages are different depending on the type—house pages, city/settlement pages, and dungeons are all treated slightly differently, and the aspects which vary can be so subtle that it's hard to understand the reason if you haven't looked closely at hundreds of examples over the course of time. My advice is to keep doing what you're doing as far as editing goes, and to remember to use the talk pages (or IRC/e-mail, if it's preferable to you) in a friendly manner if there's something specific you'd like to discuss with other editors.
I, like yourself, know how easy it is to get emotional about the wiki, and I understand how hard it is to remove my emotions from my work here at times. That happens to a lot of editors around here, whether we like to admit it or not. Recognizing that is key, and everyone deals with it differently. Just try to remember to assume good faith and be courteous even when others don't seem to be doing the same. I'd love to see you continue helping around here, as you've done soooo soo much already! — ABCface 15:09, 17 July 2014 (GMT)

() I appreciate the comments and words of encouragement. I have no intention of stopping my work on the place pages, unless I am asked to. I'm hoping to completely rid the wiki of all place stubs for Skyrim both house and places, and then I'm planning on taking stock and spending some time monitoring the recent changes page and general helping functions, which is something I've never spent a lot of time watching in the past. I want to expand my value and try and support other users where possible and hopefully give people a chance to see me and my work in a better light. I've purposely avoided adding anything further to the latest discussion on my talk page. However I have a major issue with the comments that my work is constantly having to be amended due to incorrect items being recorded by me. Can someone explain how I can either pull up a list of my edits that aren't marked as patrolled (as suggested I do by The Silencer) or even all un-patrolled edits. I've been looking back through my contributions list to try and see any pages that have had to be updated due to incorrect items being listed, but it is slow going and I haven't found a single one in the last 60 major updates. If I can look at the list he is basing his opinion on then maybe I can get to the bottom of the problem he has with me. Thanks again and in advance. Biffa (talk) 15:30, 17 July 2014 (GMT)

I hear anyone can hide patrolled edits in the recent changes, if that's what you're asking ~ Dwarfmp (talk) 15:42, 17 July 2014 (GMT)
I was asking if there was a way of listing my edits that have/haven't been patrolled, so that I can show when the last edit where an item had to be corrected because I had listed something incorrectly. It was in answer to The Silencer's comment: "If you want a real test of your edits acceptance, check the patrol log, just about every major edit to a page you've made hasn't been marked as patrolled, meaning that a patroller has not gone over that page thoroughly and checked it and been happy to mark it as so". I think I'll just have to keep going through via the my contributions list. Biffa (talk) 16:03, 17 July 2014 (GMT)
You mean this page? I actually just found this myself :P ~ Dwarfmp (talk) 16:52, 17 July 2014 (GMT)
EDIT: Nevermind, don't see anything for unpatrolled edits in there. Probably not what you're looking for ~ Dwarfmp (talk) 16:56, 17 July 2014 (GMT)
Thanks for looking, I don't want to ask him directly and possibly stir things up again. I'll leave it for now. I know I've checked all of my edits back for the last 60 major add detail, remove stub edits and not found a single one that has had an item changed, that takes me back to 06/23/14. If I need to I'll just have to continue back further. Thanks again. Biffa (talk) 17:06, 17 July 2014 (GMT)
There's no simple way to view what you're asking for, that I know of. You can, however, do so in a very tedious manner. Use the logs page that Dwarfmp linked to check each page's edits individually by cross-checking with the pages on your contributions list. To use the Logs page, select "Patrol log" in that first drop-down menu, then enter a specific page in the "Target (title or user):" box (for example, type in "Skyrim:No Stone Unturned"). That will bring up all edits which have been patrolled for that page. If an edit you made to that page is not listed on the patrol log for the page, then it has not been patrolled yet. However, keep in mind that this does not necessarily mean the edit is incorrect; it simply means no one has had the time to check it yet. The reverse is true as well—a page which has not had further revisions is not necessarily 100% accurate; it simply may not have been fixed yet, if fixes are needed.
If all of this is related to one person's comments, though, I'd just let it go. I haven't followed the related conversations extensively, but I can say that there are enough editors around (and the patrol queue is long enough, time-wise) that edits will not go unchecked forever. Eventually, whatever needs to be addressed will be. Just keep editing in good faith, and double-check anything you're uncertain of. Make use of {{huh}} or {{vn}} tags when needed, or ask someone with the Creation Kit to check something if it's a quick and simple task. Keep up the good content additions you're making, and stay positive. :) — ABCface 18:44, 17 July 2014 (GMT)

() I can only speak for myself, but I haven't been fixing your item edits simply because I have neither the capability (I play on the PS3, don't play Skyrim often, and don't have many save files) nor the patience to go through dungeons recording every bulb of garlic just to make sure something is wrong/right. I honestly don't know how you can stand it :) But anyway, I really wouldn't worry about it. Even if a few of your items are in error, they'll be fixed eventually and having a few inaccurate leveled items isn't a huge deal, imo. --AN|L (talk) 19:26, 17 July 2014 (GMT)

That's the same reason I haven't been marking your edits patrolled myself. I'll frequently mark them patrolled after I check the grammar and punctuation, but to be honest, you're too fast for me! You have such a high output that I would have to spend every waking moment of my days off from work to be able to keep up. I can only imagine the work you must put into all of these, and I can only say to keep it up. As Anil says, small mistakes can be fixed without much issue. The fact that you're spending the time and effort to write full descriptions for all of these makes you one of our most valuable editors in my eyes, so I'm glad to hear you have no intention of stopping. And for what it's worth, I admire your ability to step back from things and remove yourself from tense situations :-) Zul se onikaanLaan tinvaak 13:21, 18 July 2014 (GMT)
Lol, don't admire me for that I fail to step back more often than not, but I'm trying to do better. The reason I'm spending so much time editting is because can't do a lot else, so it's a good escape for me. That and the fact I'm obsessive. ;) Biffa (talk) 17:52, 18 July 2014 (GMT)

Shalidor's Maze Edit[edit]

What do you mean by {{Bug|The Diadem of the Savant can also be found on the wood chopping block outside [[Skyrim:Froki's Shack|Froki's Shack]], which according to the CK it is only supposed to appear here as a reward for completing the maze.|USKP|1.2.5}}? I cannot understand the last part of that, personally. Do you mean that the Diadem can be found at Froki's shack only after completing the maze? ~ Ad intellige (talk) 21:49, 10 June 2014 (GMT)

The bugifying wasn't done by me, I moved it to the bugs section and added why it has been classed as a bug, as per Froki's Shack page. That according to the CK (something I don't have access to) it is only supposed to be found at the end of the maze as a reward for completing it. Hope this helps. Biffa (talk) 21:54, 10 June 2014 (GMT)
Oh, okay. That makes it easier for me lol. Thanks! :) ~ Ad intellige (talk) 22:03, 10 June 2014 (GMT)
It isn't a bug with that article, it is purely noted for its relevance. Using the bug template and/or there being an unofficial patch fix does not automatically qualify it as a bug either. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 22:11, 10 June 2014 (GMT)
Then it shouldn't be shown as a bug. Either it should be shown under bugs with the format and fix notation OR as a note without bugifying or the fix notation. Not a combination of both and as it is shown correctly on Froki's Shack page, then it should only be a noted. Biffa (talk) 22:33, 10 June 2014 (GMT)
It is a bug with the Diadem and Froki's Shack, not with Shalidor's Maze. I know it is confusing, but it should be only a note on Shalidor's Maze like Silencer said. ~ Ad intellige (talk) 22:39, 10 June 2014 (GMT)

() I bugified it because I has seen other pages on the wiki in which there were bugified notes, though I can't remember any specific examples. In this case, it's relevant to the article because it's important to know that you can get the diadem of the savant in another place, but it's also important to note that it's a bug and that players with the unofficial patch won't find it at Froki's shack. --AN|L (talk) 22:41, 10 June 2014 (GMT)

If it was considered as a bug it would not qualify to be on the Shalidor article because it is not a bug with that location. It is notable only for its relevance to a supposed unique item. The bug template has nothing to do with whether it is a bug. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 22:47, 10 June 2014 (GMT)
The whole problem is the initial change to bugify it (their words not mine), and adding the fix info, neither are relevant to Shalidor's Maze Place Page. This info is already available in the two places it does belong, being Froki's Shack and the Diadem's pages. The only part that has any relevance on the maze's page is that this unique item is also available elsewhere, not that it's a bug nor that it has been fixed. Therefore the only mention should be to note that it's also available at Froki' Shack and not in the bug format. Sorry for trying to work with people! Biffa (talk) 23:23, 10 June 2014 (GMT)
That is an extremely unhelpful suggestion as it is not displayed as a bug, the only reference is in the fix, not to mention that it is a bug. It is a bug, there is a fix, but it not a bug in relation to the page it is on, therefore it is noted. Your edit summary and last comment tell me you couldn't care less about me trying to explain this any further, but still mentioning that there are notes using the bug template on many pages. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 23:47, 10 June 2014 (GMT)
No please keep explaining how it not a bug, but a bug, but not in relation to it being a bug in the place it's being mentioned as a bug, that it's not a bug at. I'm sure you believe that all I do is try a create problems where none exist, and nothing I do or say is going to change that any more nothing you say is going to change the opinion I have of you. Biffa (talk) 10:09, 11 June 2014 (GMT)

Etiquette[edit]

I'd like to remind you that comments like this, particularly the last sentence there, could be construed as sarcasm, which is not appropriate for wiki discussions. That discussion is already getting too big for such a minor issue, so let's not make the situation worse by letting our tempers flare up, okay? Thanks. ThuumofReason (talk) 12:30, 17 June 2014 (GMT)

Sarcasm? no just what I perceive to be the reality on this site, whenever I have an issue, that it doesn't matter what the issue at hand is, despite claims to the contrary the opinions of those with higher ranks (patrollers, etc) are normally counted over that of mere mortals like myself. I raise issues if I feel strongly about something or if I don't understand something and for no other reason.
Regarding this particular issue I felt/feel strongly that what I put clearly expressed the conversation with the NPC in question and that the change that was made dramatically changed the meaning of the sentence to the point that it no longer was a true representation of the conversation. I tried to explain why I disagreed and give my reasoning, but I got no discussion of this only comments regarding style and being told close enough is good enough. Which goes against what I believe is the priority on this site. Biffa (talk) 02:59, 18 June 2014 (GMT)
On the topic of wording, there's a line between accuracy and pedancy. While you are correct that descriptions should be as accurate as possible, there are multiple ways of phrasing a sentence to get an idea across. In pure descriptive terms, your preferred version conveyed the idea more precisely, but the other version wasn't so different that it was incorrect. Oftentimes, when people try to convey something in exact words, their sentences get so bogged down with detail that the sentence becomes difficult to read, which makes the sentence harder to understand. You actually did get a discussion; you provided your views, and WoahBro and I provided ours (that being that either version was acceptable, so it wasn't really worth getting into a heated discussion over a single word). Most people reading that article will get the idea that you're helping him either way, so either version is acceptable.
Regardless of how you believe things to work around here, you're still expected to be civil when dealing with disputes, and that includes not making statements that come across as sarcastic or accusatory, which the last sentence of that comment did. It's your right to disagree, and if you don't believe us when we say that the word of patrollers/admins isn't inherently more valued, that's your right as well. What you're probably interpreting as patrollers' views being given more weight is actually just a result of us having spent so much time on the wiki that we've been involved in a number of community discussions and can point to specific sections of the site's policy, so we're able to provide support for our positions better. You don't have to believe that if you don't want to, but you can believe this: the etiquette policy is a serious issue, and violations are punished accordingly.
I get that you're upset, and I'm sure you weren't trying to accuse or offend. I'm telling you this not to insult or patronize you, but to dissuade you from saying something you might regret. I don't want this kind of comment to continue, because you're a good editor who's made a lot of helpful contributions to the wiki, and I don't want to see you get in trouble because of things that were said in an emotional discussion. I know I've told you this before, but some of the most helpful editors in the site's history have had to be banned for repeated violations of the etiquette policy, and I don't want that to happen with you. ThuumofReason (talk) 16:47, 18 June 2014 (GMT)
Thanks for your comments, I am taking them as I believe they are intended, as I said earlier in this thread, my comments were not intended to be sarcastic, however I will reread the policy pages regarding editing/etiquette/talk pages/etc. to refresh my limited memory and to keep further away from the line. Which I don't feel I have crossed in regards of etiquette and feel the initial responses to my post didn't deal with my issue, as I have said above, that was the reason for the second post. Regarding my closing comment it was a nod towards previous issues and discussions and the resolutions that have all proceed similarly to the initial responses this time i.e. the issues I have raised have been ignored and without any policy being pointed to, to back the decisions that were ultimately made. I've made a point of not posting comments or even looking at my watchlist when particularly emotional or tired. I will obviously continue to try and do my best for the site and my fellow wiki'ers. I hope this resolves this issue. Biffa (talk) 19:47, 18 June 2014 (GMT)

Cookie[edit]

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You have been given a cookie!

Your dedication and diligence to the wiki has not gone unnoticed. A user has seen the progress you've made, and has given you a cookie because of it. Good work! The user had the following to say:

I've seen you working on just a ton of articles, keep up the good work. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 17:09, 20 June 2014 (GMT)
Word. You've done a fantastic job adding content to soooo many articles throughout the Skyrim namespace and it's awesome. Keep it up! :) — ABCface 17:11, 20 June 2014 (GMT)
Thank you for your kind words. I know I need to improve my diplomacy and interact with other wiki'ers better, most of my problems come from my passion for the game and the work I'm doing, but hopefully I can make positive changes. Thank you again. Biffa (talk) 17:07, 21 June 2014 (GMT)

Keep up the good work![edit]

Hey Biffa! Just a huge applause for the incredible amount of work you’re doing. Even if it may seem like an endless wait, just keep updating that image request (user)page, and eventually, someone will pick up the challenge. ☺--Krusty (talk) 03:50, 28 June 2014 (GMT)

Cheers, yeah I'm not stressing about them, they'll get done when they get done. I'm really hoping to get through the rest of the houses and place stubs, then I'm going to put more effort into the recent changes page and hopefully encouraging newbies get involved. I may even play oblivion again for a while. Biffa (talk) 11:31, 28 June 2014 (GMT)

Inaccurate Testing[edit]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, your 'testing' is fatally flawed and is not up to scratch. Each and every one of your pages has had to be altered because of this. I say this for the benefit of everyone, stop thinking your testing even approaches acceptable levels. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 21:31, 16 July 2014 (GMT)

Unfortunately the facts don't agree with that statement. I can't remember the last time an update done to my info was for anything other than grammar, spelling, style or format. You've had a personal vendetta against me for the longest of times. Why? I have no idea, because I won't bowed down to you?, because I don't think this wiki is all about you? because I've shown your failings time and again? Who cares. Get over yourself and leave me alone. If you have proof that something specific is inaccurate on one of the pages I've contributed on, let me know, if not stop pestering me. Biffa (talk) 21:59, 16 July 2014 (GMT)
A very quick glance over Goldenglow showed three items that are not set, how do I know you don't ask, I was there not 3 days ago in the game. This really isn't about me, this is about you and your claims that your testing is good, when even a simple glance over any of edited pages shows multiple updates on items. You cannot continue to push your claim that your testing works because it doesn't. I have never once said that my testing is perfect, nor do I have this 'vendetta' you claim I have against you, it is only through your continued bull-headedness that refuses to countenance that you are fallible, that pushes you into my path again and again, and only because I am the second most active editor on the wiki, I would behave no different to anyone else who constantly fails to heed the need for change when proven wrong. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 22:09, 16 July 2014 (GMT)
I think both of you need to just take a deep breath, walk away for a bit, and review this with cooler heads. There is no sense in saying something you will regret right now. ~ Ad intellige (talk) 22:14, 16 July 2014 (GMT)
Take a look back over the pages I've updated to find the last one where items were incorrect and had to be changed. If you have specifics of items on the Goldenglow estate AND Pinewatch that are incorrect change them instead of making claims about my work. I have never claimed infallibility. I've only claimed that your attitude stinks and even when you've been shown to be in the wrong you don't have the guts or manners to apologise. You've gone out of your way to make thing unpleasant for me on this site. I've seen similar issues you've had/caused with other people that have tried to contribute. I believe I am contributing to this site, not detracting and unless others think that what am doing isn't in the best interest for this site, or that what I am doing isn't adding to the sites information pool, then I will continue doing what I am doing. Like you I currently play on a console, so there can be occasions where I show something as random rather than leveled or vice versa like you admitted once yourself, but I can't even remember the last time something like that was changed on one of my pages. As suggested I will pause and take a breath, but I stand by my work. Biffa (talk) 22:34, 16 July 2014 (GMT)
The problem is that you refuse to discuss your methods while being happy to turn around and bash anyone who tries to help. If you want a real test of your edits acceptance, check the patrol log, just about every major edit to a page you've made hasn't been marked as patrolled, meaning that a patroller has not gone over that page thoroughly and checked it and been happy to mark it as so. I really don't care about your feelings, I care about accuracy, readability, grammar, spelling etc, and improving the site, be that with your help or without. There will always be another editor to take the mantle of filling in pages. I would go so far as to say that it is your attitude when someone changes something about your edits that has stopped people having a proper go at dealing with the mess you leave behind you. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 22:49, 16 July 2014 (GMT)
Silencer, stop it. You're out of line. Whether or not Biffa's edits are mistaken, your tone is needlessly inflammatory. There's a way to get your message across without being condescending to Biffa. Saying things like "I really don't care about your feelings", "There will always be another editor to take the mantle of filling in pages", and calling him "needlessly bull-headed" is entirely inappropriate for a patroller, particularly someone who's been a patroller as long as you. You're not exactly one to throw stones in the "bull-headed" department either, considering that you yourself have a history of refuting arguments offhand without immediately providing your reasons, like you did here, not to mention your opposition to this proposal, in which you ignored arguments made against your position and pretended they hadn't been made, and your last comment basically amounted to "If this doesn't go the way I want it, I'll make sure it gets deleted so NOBODY can read it!" I didn't say so at the time because I really didn't care enough to make a thing out of it, but it was an incredibly childish thing to say, so don't act condescending towards Biffa. I can hardly blame him for thinking you have a vendetta against him when you say outlandish things like you've said here.
This isn't the first time you've risked alienating our editors with your confrontational attitude, and I'm sick of seeing it. It's not fair to other editors, and it's not fair to the wiki. Don't think that being the "second most active editor" exempts you from the etiquette policy either. Elliot tried to play that card, and I don't need to remind you how well that turned out for him. Zul se onikaanLaan tinvaak 23:31, 16 July 2014 (GMT)
Congratulations everyone on taking the stance that the tone of the message means far more than the message itself. I don't actually care how I come across, only that what I am saying makes sense to those it is intended for. Please stop trying to read so much into my posts, there are no hidden meanings or veiled threats, I make those quite clear when I am of that mind as you can see on that page in-particular. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 23:55, 16 July 2014 (GMT)

() If you don't actually care how you come across, you should probably start doing it soon. I'm astonished I have to explain this to you of all people, but the tone of the message actually DOES matter just as much as the message itself. Your comments don't just border on personal attacks against Biffa, they qualify outright. And please don't insult my intelligence by pretending that I'm looking for hidden meanings or reading something into your posts that isn't there; when you say "I really don't care about your feelings", you know very well the message you're sending. Zul se onikaanLaan tinvaak 00:28, 17 July 2014 (GMT)

Once again I've been taken out of context with my words completely misread. I did not say the tone did not matter, I said 'the stance that the tone means more than the message' which when reversed means 'the message means more than the tone'. So of course the tone matters, but not anywhere near as much as the message matters. Perhaps I care too much about being accurate but nowhere does it say I have to care about editors feelings. I have tried to resolve this before but was completely ignored, even being mocked for my attempt to head-off this continuing issue. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 00:54, 17 July 2014 (GMT)
Okay, everybody take a step back. If there are concerns about Biffa's editing, we can discuss those issues, but they need to be discussed with level heads and a friendly demeanour. This discussion hasn't been that. Silencer: I'd like to suggest that you not deal with Biffa's edits for a day or two. If you can't approach him and discuss the issues in a friendly fashion, go through a neutral third party who can. I and I'm sure any of the other admins would be happy to discuss it with each of you, but what happened above should have been avoided at all costs. It's not good for wiki morale. Robin Hood  (talk) 01:26, 17 July 2014 (GMT)

Cragwallow Slope[edit]

Hey there. I would like to point out that some information you added to the article may be incorrect. Firstly, I went to the cave with a very low level character to snap photos; the only thing that all the conjurers ever summon are familiars. I think that they are probably leveled. In the article, for example, you wrote that the boss only summons a frost atronach and uses frost spells (and you also requested for an image depicting this). That wasn't the case for me, as you can see from my image (the boss uses flames and a familiar). I suggest you go ahead and determine the types of enemies and make necessary changes to the article.

Secondly, can you please be more specific on your image requests for the Darkwater Crossing article? Thanks. ~ Psylocke 17:24, 21 July 2014 (GMT)

I've added a note for low level players @ Cragswallow Slope and what to expect and amended request for Darkwater Crossing. Hope that helps. Biffa (talk) 23:04, 21 July 2014 (GMT)
Yeap, it helps! Better than me wandering around the place and pondering on which part to snap photos. Thanks. ~ Psylocke 00:22, 22 July 2014 (GMT)
No worries thanks for all the images, whenever your taking shots for me, if you see a better shot or one you think works better just go for it, I'm fairly easy to please. Biffa (talk) 22:17, 22 July 2014 (GMT)

Leveled vs Random[edit]

I've noticed a few times now that you've replaced the word "leveled" with "random". Is there a particular reason for that change? To me, "leveled" is more descriptive. Robin Hood  (talk) 19:54, 5 August 2014 (GMT)

I use "leveled" when the quality of an item increases with your level and "random" when your level has no bearing on the quality received. i.e level 43, but only receiving an iron helmet, or daedric war axe, they are unlikely to be leveled, but randomly chosen from a list. Conversely if I do a walkthrough of somewhere with a level 12 and got a potion of minor healing, then with a level 84 and got a potion of ultimate healing from the same place, I would assume it is a leveled item. It's not foolproof without checking the CK. The only times I list it as a specific level is if I get the same quality with vastly different level players. Biffa (talk) 20:31, 5 August 2014 (GMT)
Most leveled lists can include items of lower quality as well, so as you say, it's not foolproof. I'd suggest that if it already says leveled on a page, leave it as such and tag it with a {{VN}}. Usually, though certainly not always, something that's been tagged as "leveled" already has CK verification of that fact, but it won't hurt to double check. Robin Hood  (talk) 20:50, 5 August 2014 (GMT)
Sorry I don't understand are you saying that if it's randomly taken from a leveled list it should be shown as leveled? That's not making anything clear, it's more confusing than showing it as random if your level has no bearing on the quality you receive. Can you give me the link so I can see the list(s) to understand this. At the moment all that's happened is I'm confused. Biffa (talk) 20:58, 5 August 2014 (GMT)
Here's the link for the leveled lists if it helps.--Beezer1029 (talk) 21:43, 5 August 2014 (GMT)

() Am I going completely mad, or missing the point entirely? Leveling is the process by which as your level increases so does the degree of difficulty and the reward. Just because an item appears on a given list or that as you level your chance of receiving something increases does not mean an item is leveled. It's the process of how an item is chosen that governs whether something is leveled i.e. at

lvl 1 = 1 gold
lvl 2 = 2 gold
etc.

or

lvl 1-5 = Iron war axe
lvl 6-10 = Steel war axe
lvl 11-15 = Orcish war axe
etc.

However having a list:

lvl 1-5 = Iron war axe
lvl 6-10 = Steel war axe
lvl 11-15 = Orcish war axe
lvl 16-20 = Dwarven war axe
lvl 21-25 = Daedric war axe

And at level 25 you can receive any of the above items, is not an example of a leveled item, it is a random list of items. If you get an iron war axe, in this example at lvl 25 the item is not leveled it's random. It's totally misleading to show this as leveled, if when you go there to get an item that is far below the quality expected at your current level. Biffa (talk) 23:26, 5 August 2014 (GMT)

(edit conflict) (Goes back a reply or two.) Yes, that's what I'm saying. Truly "leveled" lists, where you can only get something appropriate to your level are actually few and far between. Most leveled lists are "anything for your level or below", which we've generally been documenting as "leveled", I believe. The idea being to note when something is guaranteed to be minor (or major) vs. where it will tend to increase as your level does. To flip it around, I would see "random" as meaning "could be anything", but there's almost nowhere where you'll see a Potion of Ultimate Healing at level 1. At level 80, though, there's a chance you'll see a Potion of Ultimate Healing on one run, but if you reload, you might see a Potion of Minor Healing in the same place on the next run. Robin Hood  (talk) 23:35, 5 August 2014 (GMT)
Just reading your reply, we're understanding the same concept, just applying different words to it. I think traditionally, we've been using "leveled" to cover both cases. I don't see any reason we couldn't change that tradition, mind you. I just don't like the word "random", since that basically means to me that level doesn't affect your reward at all, which clearly it does, even if lesser rewards are always available. Robin Hood  (talk) 23:38, 5 August 2014 (GMT)
I disagree, we're specifying what element is random by identifying what the item is. We show things like a random potion of healing, people know that it's a potion of healing, but you are likely to see different strengths on different play-throughs. I get what you mean about random suggesting your level has nothing to do with what you may get to a degree, but think most people know how the game mechanics work. Perhaps capped would be a better way of describing it. I'm not convinced any change away from random/leveled would be a positive thing or whether others would see the need and I'm worried any change may confuse more than it helps, and that the work involved could be massive. However I agree it needs to be made clear what is shown and what it means. IMO leveled is totally misleading if I wanted a top quality sword and saw this cave has a "leveled" enchanted sword I'd be mightly peeved if I got there to find an iron sword of embers at level 52. If we linked the leveled lists page to the word random or whatever word is agreed, would that help? or would someone with the CK need to link it to a specific list each time? I dunno, but at least I'm less worried now that nearly everything should be shown as leveled to mean chosen at random from a leveled list. Biffa (talk) 00:15, 6 August 2014 (GMT)
I'm not too worried about it, as long as we're consistent. Since truly random items are unheard of, I think, or close to it, the word "random" might serve as well as any. I'd be curious what others think, if anybody's lurking on this topic. :) Robin Hood  (talk) 01:22, 6 August 2014 (GMT)
If the lists are similar to the lists used for NPC inventories, couldn't sentences similar to what's used to describe the armor/weapons an NPC has be used for place pages? By this, I mean sentences along the lines of: "A leveled dagger can be found on the table that can be up to elven in quality" similar to the equivalent you can see on NPC pages: "He wields a leveled dagger that can be up to elven in quality". If the item comes from something that isn't really dependent on level at all, you could link to the list like what is done on NPC pages for common items and gold to account for the assortment of food, lockpicks, and other items that may be in a character's pockets.
Looking at most of the NPC pages for Skyrim, they tend to favor using phrases such as "a leveled war axe" as opposed to "a random war axe" so it might be better to stick with leveled, though they both get the same point across. Forfeit (talk) 01:46, 6 August 2014 (GMT)

Archiving[edit]

Can someone advise how I create an archive on my talk page. Thank you. Biffa (talk) 12:09, 6 August 2014 (GMT)

Check here. —<({QT>> 12:55, 6 August 2014 (GMT)
You can skip the last step though, as it's in userspace. — ABCface 13:25, 6 August 2014 (GMT)
I hope I've done it correctly. Thanks for the help. Biffa (talk) 13:55, 6 August 2014 (GMT)
For convenience, you might want to update your archive table to {{Archive Table|archive/|archive/}}, so a link to your archive will show up in the table. Otherwise, I think it looks fine. —<({QT>> 14:22, 6 August 2014 (GMT)
The table works best if you name your archives /Archive 1, /Archive 2, etc., but lots of people, myself included, prefer another naming scheme, which is what the format Quill-Tail mentioned is for. Robin Hood  (talk) 15:32, 6 August 2014 (GMT)

() Cheers for that. Biffa (talk) 18:48, 6 August 2014 (GMT)

Deleting Sandbox[edit]

Hey Biffa, I noticed your edit summary there. All you have to do is post {{speed|User request}} on the sandbox you want to delete. I didn't want to go ahead and do it, so I'll let you :) Hope this helps! •WoahBro►talk 01:02, 29 October 2014 (GMT)

Thanks. Biffa (talk) 01:05, 29 October 2014 (GMT)

Coding Help?[edit]

Hello! I has wondering if there's a code to start a numbered list from a particular number, say five instead of the usual one? Sorry if I'm bothering you, don't really know who to ask really. Thanks. Enodia (talk) 02:06, 8 December 2014 (GMT)

Unfortunately, that's not possible with the normal MediaWiki methods. You can use standard HTML to do it, but that's a bit more cumbersome and unintuitive.
  1. Fifth item
  2. Sixth item
Robin Hood  (talk) 02:43, 8 December 2014 (GMT)
Cheers Robin, I wouldn't have had a clue. Enodia, the best place to start is by reading the pages listed on your talk page by WoahBro. For specific help like this, I would suggest you bookmark the mentors page, as this shows all the mentors and also any areas of expertise each of them have. Please check their talk pages before leaving any of them a message, as not all of them may be around and most, if not all will leave details at the top of their talk pages as to the best way to get a message to them or when they are away. Hope this helps. I'm normally around even if not editing, but most of what I do is adding content to place pages atm and finding info ingame.
I would also strongly suggest setting up a sandbox of your own. It'll give you somewhere of you're own to practice with coding, etc and other people shouldn't make changes without your consent in your sandboxes. Most of the coding I know, I've picked up either from other people like Robin or seen on another page. If I see something I want to be able to use: I click the edit tab on the page, find the coding, copy and paste it onto a page I created for myself named notes, I then save my notes page, but just leave the original page without saving, so as to not make any unforseen changed by mistake. If you need any other help, feel free to drop me a line. Welcome and take care. Biffa (talk) 03:39, 8 December 2014 (GMT)
Yes, I've actually set up a Shadowmark sandbox before asking this and got stuck trying to make the bulleting neater. Robin's code is perfect, since I haven't stumble upon an article with the coding workaround I'm looking for. The downside is I don't know if HTML is allowed on articles and that since it's messy it might put off anyone trying to edit the article later. But now I'm wondering if you know of an easier way to mark pogs on images? Thanks! Enodia (talk) 03:58, 8 December 2014 (GMT)
I'm just in the process of rewriting the Forgotten Vale place page and it has the coding on the page, which you can copy from there. Additionally if you take a look at this page, it's my rough draft and you'll see I've added two additional pogs to the map compared to the first one, however I did add them with trial and error. Feel free to copy the coding and adjust to suit. Biffa (talk) 00:07, 9 December 2014 (GMT)
FYI: Enodia continued the discussion over at Robin's talk page. A neat trick came up there. —MortenOSlash (talk) 05:44, 9 December 2014 (GMT)

() Cheers. Biffa (talk) 12:59, 9 December 2014 (GMT)

6000 hours?!?[edit]

Holy crap! I'm still working my way towards 2000 hours. Heck, even if you add in Civ 5, which I've spent only slightly less time in than Skyrim, I've still only got 3400 hours between them. What do you do, leave your computer running 24/7 in Skyrim just to rack up hours? :Þ Assuming you don't, I'm suitably impressed. Robin Hood  (talk) 03:13, 24 December 2014 (GMT)

Lol no just live, eat, breath Skyrim. It's an obsession with me to finish the last few place stubs + the other places that aren't stubs but only have brief details. I can't work or do much around the house, but am very lucky to have an understanding wife! My current main three characters have 905hrs, 857hrs and 1073hrs. I get my PS4 in two days, I'm still toying with the idea of diving into ESO, but heard that it's not great on consoles. I'm getting AS Unity, so will have to split my time I think. Do you know anyone who's playing or played ESO on a PS4? Biffa (talk) 03:40, 24 December 2014 (GMT)
I don't think I'd noticed before that you're disabled as well (see my page if you're curious about mine). That certainly explains a lot. I completely hear you about having an understanding partner. Mine has similarly picked up a lot of the things that I can no longer do. I do what I can in return.
I have one character who did as many of the non-conflicting quests as possible. He was probably up there in hours, but I doubt any of my others are. As for ESO, sorry, I've generally been ignoring it. I have only vague ideas as to who on the site has played it at all, and none whatsoever about what platform they were using. Robin Hood  (talk) 04:01, 24 December 2014 (GMT)
Sorry if i'm being nosy, but i didn't think ESO was out for PS4 yet? If it has come out then somehow i missed the announcement. Oh and dang! I am nowhere near that many hours played.Lorenut (talk) 04:11, 24 December 2014 (GMT)
We are still waiting for the consoles release. Myself, I am happy to play on the PC, but my wife is a purely console player and is still waiting impatiently. —MortenOSlash (talk) 06:37, 27 December 2014 (GMT)
Cheers, in a way I'm glad it means I have longer for my Skyrim project, but lso impatient. Biffa (talk) 06:50, 27 December 2014 (GMT)

Is there a way to make the Dawnguard to like me again?[edit]

I seem to have made a mistake a month or so ago with one of my characters, I'm a vampire hunter, but I think I accidently hit a member of the Dawnguard a few times while battling at the Volkihar keep. At the time a simple pacify spell solved the issue, however when I recently returned to Fort Dawnguard they attacked me. Gunmar, Isran and Celann were all too high level to be swayed by pacify unless I duel cast it., but that's not a long term goal. I don't ant to give up on this character as I've got over 1000hrs invested and am trying to raise them to have all the perks/max level. Neither do I want to go back to a save prebattle. Is there a way out on the PS3? Biffa (talk) 00:12, 6 February 2015 (GMT)

Leave Fort Dawnguard for three days (72 hours) then come back, maybe? Dragon Guard  (talk) 20:33, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Sorry for late reply. Thanks I'll try that. Biffa (talk) 11:44, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for disappearing.[edit]

I'm sorry I suddenly vanished and I'm not really back yet. I hope to be soon. Miss spending time on here. Biffa (talk) 11:49, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

We will wait for you! :-) —MortenOSlash (talk) 12:50, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
Yup! No worries Biffa. We miss you and will wait for your triumphant return. —likelolwhat talk lulzy to me 23:01, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
I've been back and forth from this site enough times to know that it doesn't matter, you just help when you can & anyone who appreciates the help you give is sensible. It's good to know you're still planning on doing stuff here, I still have to finish the thane pages off myself. :) --Morrolan (talk) 00:06, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

ESO Guilds[edit]

Hi, I'm trying to find if our uesp community have guilds in ESO for both NA and EU megaservers, where to find the info and who to speak to about joining. Also are they specific to one alliance or any? Thanks in advance. Biffa (talk) 13:30, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Info on our guilds can be found here, linked to from the See Also section on the main page. —Legoless (talk) 13:51, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Completed Image Requests[edit]

Hey there Biffa! It's nice to see you around again! I just thought I'd drop by to remind you that a few of the image requests in your sandbox have been fulfilled during the time period you were inactive in case you weren't aware. So whenever you get a chance, feel free to add these to the relevant articles. Thanks! Forfeit (talk) 00:43, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Cheers for the welcome and message, I'll get them sorted today. Thanks. Biffa (talk) 06:36, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Crown Store[edit]

Hey Biffa, you play ESO on PS4 right? Did the new Crown Store stock (Highland Wolf mounts, poisons, etc) come out at the same time as Dark Brotherhood? They were originally scheduled for the day before, but I assume they were delayed along with the DLC until the 15th. —Legoless (talk) 22:25, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Sorry not sure as didn't look at the crown store at the right time. I'll take a look shortly, but assume they're all up now. Currently trying to learn power levelling and pvp/group delves as until very recently just played this game as a pve game going from zone to zone completing every quest in every area before moving on. Once I understand the mechanics for levelling/end gaming I'm probably going to restart characters on the NA server so that I can get an invite to the uesp guild. Biffa (talk) 12:20, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
No worries, thanks! —Legoless (talk) 13:58, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

PS4 EU UESP Guild[edit]

Hi Biffa, would you like to be the doyen (aka guild master) of the newly formed guild on PS4 EU? AgShield (talk) 05:31, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

I thought you'd be that, what does that involve? I'm more than happy to help in anyway. Biffa (talk) 17:37, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
I don't intend to be the guild master in the long run because I haven't been a member of this wiki community for very long. As guild master, in a nutshell, you decide the direction of the guild, choose who the officers will be, micro-manage if you wish, et cetera. Don't worry too much about managing because officers are there to help you. For now, recruitment is our top priority, though I haven't had much luck with that lately. AgShield (talk) 18:01, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Ok, you'll be an officer then and we can invite anyone we meet and also direct them to the wiki....Biffa (talk) 17:02, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
I'm glad that you accepted. Sounds like a plan. I'll promote you tomorrow because I'm done playing for today. AgShield (talk) 17:27, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

() I've been thinking about this guild, my knowledge or rather my lack of in this regard and also my health problems. I truly believe that I am not the right person for the job. I'd like input from some of the more senior contributors, but I believe you have far greater knowledge and ability organising and developing the guild and we'd be foolish to leave it in the hands of someone (me!) who's never had any experience with mmo's, creating/running a guild or even much gametime playing anything but pve. I am more than willing to learn, to assist and to help recruit. I don't feel the lack of time contributing to this site stops you from taking a lead with this guild especially if we can get some support/input from leaders from the NA equivalent guild on how their's is run etc. Biffa (talk) 09:57, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

There actually isn't an NA guild on PS4, but I wouldn't worry too much about the position. When the guild gets bigger you may want to give the position to someone more active, but the main thing is that the guild head is contactable on the wiki. —Legoless (talk) 15:29, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Biffa, I wasn't aware of your personal circumstances so I'm sorry if you felt compelled to accept the mantle of doyen from me. Maybe this guild can be announced on the forums, just in case there are more PS4 EU players to gain more members? If you wish, I'll temporarily lead the guild until we find the chosen one. Frankly, part of the reason I'm hesitant to lead is because ESO is the first MMO that I've played in depth (I've played Lineage 2 in my childhood to humor a friend, but I couldn't get into it. Also, I preferred reading back then.) Please make a decision that you're comfortable with and we'll see where it leads. AgShield (talk) 18:18, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
No please don't get me wrong, I didn't feel compelled, just I don't feel qualified to lead a guild. Maybe we can help each other learn/improve our skills in this area. I need to spend some time on the forums. I'll continue to invite as many players as I interact with to try a get us growing. Anyone that can give any advice on what's truly involved in running a guild I'd appreciate any help/suggestions. Biffa (talk) 19:01, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Managing permissions is the main job. Bigger guilds also need to manage the guild trader and bank, but that can be done by others. My only other suggestion would be organised events. We haven't done too many on EU PC, but you might wanna head over to the forums and ask the NA guys for ideas. —Legoless (talk) 19:57, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks a lot Legoless for the advice. AgShield (talk) 05:07, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Cheers for the advice, I'm trying to read up on the forum to get my head around things. I've opened up recruiting to all ranks and posted a motd. Hopefully I can learn quick enough. Biffa (talk) 05:23, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi Biffa, I've noticed that earlier today that our fledgling guild has unlocked the guild store and heraldry. Congats! Should we continue our discussions on the forums so that we don't clog up your talk page? AgShield (talk) 10:54, 5 July 2016 (UTC)