UESPWiki:Patrollers/Nominations/Completed/2013

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Forfeit

Forfeit (talk⁺ • contribs • edit count • logs • email)

For quite some time now, I have considered the role of becoming a patroller. Initially, I had some reservations about taking on the position due to my own abilities as an editor and also my overall interest in the actual duty of patrolling the recent changes page. This led me to decline any suggestions/offers to be nominated for patroller made in private in the past and led to me eventually becoming a member of the Autopatrolled Users group (for reference, that nomination/vote can be found here). However, I have only continued to become more interested in taking on the duties of a patroller as ultimately I think they would allow me to further benefit this site. I have been actively watching recent changes whenever I am around for a while now and always try to help make whatever necessary actions are needed to bring recent contributions up to the wiki's standards. Perhaps sounding a bit naive to the more experienced patrollers, I actually find patrolling to be somewhat enjoyable as well. It is an interesting challenge to dig through whatever source needed to determine whether a new contribution is accurate or not or to help answer a question on a talk page.

Besides having an interest in the position, I think that I am capable of effectively carrying out the duties of being a patroller as well. I have been on the wiki for almost a year now and have contributed actively in a variety of namespaces and have been and continue to be an active member in a few projects. I have made a few large contributions to articles, but also have made plenty of minor contributions across the wiki. Having this knowledge of how to appropriately edit different types of articles in different namespaces will certainty aid me in patrolling new contributions to articles. These contributions also reflect my abilities to be an effective editor myself, such that there is no need for my contributions to be patrolled anymore. Because I do not wish to boast anymore than I already have, I will end by saying that by becoming a patroller, it will allow me to become a more effective contributor and help out the site further. I am always wanting to help out the wiki in any way I can, and I think becoming a patroller would be a great way for me to further contribute to this wonderful site.

I will happily answer any questions that anyone may have and I look forward to reading the community's feedback! Forfeit (talk) 02:57, 27 November 2013 (GMT)

Votes

• Support - I wholeheartedly support this nomination. Forfeit has consistently added helpful/beneficial edits in a variety of namespaces and hasn't shown any tendencies toward rash behavior or biased editing. I think he will make a wonderful addition to the patrolling team, especially in light of the increased amount of traffic we are likely to receive in the next few months due to the completion and release of ESO. Jeancey (talk) 03:48, 27 November 2013 (GMT)
• Support: I have never seen any issues with Forfeit's editing. He has the perfect temperment and editing ability for a patroller. If he can keep up his level of activity he has for the past months, I would gladly give him the first spot in the group in about eight months. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 16:51, 27 November 2013 (GMT)
• Support: I remember noticing the quality of Forfeit's edits soon after he joined the wiki. He's made significant contributions to both the Morrowind and Oblivion NPC redesign projects, and had done much the same work for the Skyrim NPCs as well. Plus, he's never gotten into any fights or behaved controversially that I have seen. I see no reason he shouldn't be a patroller, and plenty of reasons why he should. --AN|L (talk) 17:30, 27 November 2013 (GMT)
• Support: Great edits. Small edits, large edits; all good edits. And, as others have said, he's got a great attitude. He's a great fit for a patroller. Vely^►t►e 18:09, 27 November 2013 (GMT)
• Support: Yes yes yes! I was one of the people who suggested this privately, and given all the reasons listed above by him and others, as well as being the one who nominated him for Autopatrolled status, I don't feel I can add much here. I completely trust his edits and feel he would be a great patroller. There's no reason I see for him not to be on the team. — ABCface^◥ 18:18, 27 November 2013 (GMT)
• Support: He's already autopatrolled, so no problems with contributions. He participates in community discussions, he's civil in his dealings with other editors, and he knows wiki policy. The community looks to patrollers as both guides and role models, and I think that Forfeit would serve very well in both capacities. ThuumofReason (talk) 20:43, 27 November 2013 (GMT)
• Support: Long overdue. --Xyzzy ^Talk 08:05, 29 November 2013 (GMT)
• Support: What they said... And, since I won't be around for congratulatory celebrations in a week when this closes, you get an early congrats from me, seeing how it's unanimous for your promotion. Welcome to the team :) -damon  ^xoxo 14:44, 29 November 2013 (GMT)
• Support: Let's fast-track this already; there are edits to check! Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 18:48, 3 December 2013 (GMT)
• Support: Definitely support. Looking through his edits, there have been a number of great changes, some of which I wouldn't have even thought of. I think he'll make a good addition to the patrolling team. – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 19:49, 3 December 2013 (GMT)
• Support: Although I'm not on very frequently nowadays, the edits I've seen made by Forfeit have all been high-quality, so I have no problems supporting this nomination. • JA^T 23:07, 3 December 2013 (GMT)

Consensus: Support. Supported by all members who participated. Congratulations, Forfeit! --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 19:30, 4 December 2013 (GMT)

Dominus Arbitrationis

Dominus Arbitrationis (talk⁺ • contribs • edit count • logs • email)

Dominus has started editing a lot lately, and I think his edits are of a very nice quality. He does a lot of tiny cleanup edits and small content edits, but he's also completely revamped a few pages. I'm hard-pressed to find errors anywhere. He knows what he's doing, and he's not afraid to ask for or receive advice. I think he'd do well as a patroller.

• I accept this nomination --Ad intellige ^(talk) 16:57, 4 May 2013 (GMT)

Votes

• Support: As nominator. Vely^►t►e 16:56, 4 May 2013 (GMT)
• Support: A quick check through his edits shows a good breadth of wiki knowledge, and very few errors. He has my unreserved support. --Xyzzy ^Talk 17:06, 4 May 2013 (GMT)
• Support: Dominus contributes greatly. He has edited small errors throughout many pages, and has even constructed brand new pages with detailed, and expertly organized information.--Kitty1014 ^(talk) 17:33, 4 May 2013 (GMT)
• Oppose: His edit count barely meets the qualifications, and one really needs more time on this wiki before becoming a patroller. Elliot (talk) 17:34, 4 May 2013 (GMT)
• Oppose: I feel it is far too soon for Dominus to be a patroller. As with Elliot, he has a shortage (imo) of content edits, added to the literal assumption of some of the cleanup tags that lead me to believe this. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 17:40, 4 May 2013 (GMT)

• Comment: While yes, I do have only a little above needed edits, I try to spend a good bit of time on my edits and for a few pages, I edited them almost entirely in Userspace. --Ad intellige ^(talk) 17:44, 4 May 2013 (GMT)

• Oppose:I see that Dominus is an excellent editor who has been contributing to a large variety of namespaces; my concern is just about timing. Absent some urgent need for more patrollers, I'd prefer candidates to have more time on the UESP because prolonged contribution is the only way to judge a person's trustworthiness, temperament, and loyalty. With no more Skyrim DLC incoming and ESO still "TBA 2013", I don't imagine there will be some huge upswing in activity in the next three months. And since he started editing about eight months ago, he's essentially spent five of those months inactive; I just can't know if he's here for the long haul. In three months, if he hangs around and still wants the job, I'd be more than happy to vote for him. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 22:01, 4 May 2013 (GMT)
• Oppose: Minor Edits phrases my concerns perfectly. I'm not as concerned with the low number of edits as I am with the timing. There isn't really any need for patrollers right now, since we're pretty much out of the Skyrim rush and ESO is still to be announced. I think it would be best to wait a few months, until the ESO frenzy starts building up, and run again. • JA^T 01:32, 5 May 2013 (GMT)

• Comment: Would it not make more sense for me to have experience before the rush so that way I am prepared? --Ad intellige ^(talk) 02:35, 5 May 2013 (GMT)

• Comment: The learning curve to using the patroller functions is very small. Just a bit more button-clicking than usual. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 03:09, 5 May 2013 (GMT)

• Comment: Even with a small learning curve for one person, it can take longer for other people to learn things. --Ad intellige ^(talk) 03:17, 5 May 2013 (GMT)

• Oppose:I've noticed a trend lately with relatively new users being named patrollers. While in the past, this has been justified by the enormous contributions made in the short period of time between joining and being nominated (Jeancey and Xyzzy come to mind), I don't think it's wise to let this become a norm. As elliot said, being a patroller is an area where it's not really enough to just meet the minimum requirements. You have to know how things work inside and out, because you're being given responsibility that necessitates that you know how things work. Also, I feel that we have enough active patrollers already (Silencer alone gets more done in a week than I do in a month). No offense to Dominus, but I think some more time spent around the wiki, and yes, a greater period of activity, would be to your benefit. ThuumofReason (talk) 13:03, 12 May 2013 (GMT)

Consensus: Oppose. Unfortunately you don't have the necessary support. Keep working at it for the required waiting period, and I'm sure that next time you'll be accepted. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 13:59, 12 May 2013 (GMT)

Holomay

Holomay (talk⁺ • contribs • edit count • logs • email)

Holomay has been on the site for just over a year, and has constantly been a source of quality pictures and edits. He has not always been able to edit, but the quality of edits does not drop over time. He has said he will show the same diligence with patrolling as with editing. English is not Holomay's first language (and what a surprise that was), but he does have a degree in English Studies. While he may not be able to patrol as much as some of the rest of us, I feel comfortable in trusting Holomay do what he can to help in the "endless sea of red exclamation marks". Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 01:12, 14 April 2013 (GMT)

• I accept this nomination. --Holomay (talk) 05:20, 14 April 2013 (GMT)

Votes

• Support: As nominator. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 01:12, 14 April 2013 (GMT)
• Support: His edits look clean to me, and we always need more patrollers. I've never really felt the need to patrol his edits, and his grammar's nice. Vely^►t►e 17:16, 14 April 2013 (GMT)
• Support: Careful, knowledgable, courteous, thorough. What else could one ask for in a patroller? --Xyzzy ^Talk 17:19, 14 April 2013 (GMT)
• Support: My only qualm is that he ought to have a userpage. Not a requirement, but seeing that red link on talk pages has bugged me for a while :) • JA^T 21:42, 14 April 2013 (GMT)
• Support: Even as little patrolling as I've been managing lately, Holomay's name has been noticeable. I'd also second Jak's request for a user page. I think it's..."uninviting" is the best word I can think of...when a staff member doesn't have a user page. – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 22:05, 14 April 2013 (GMT)
• Support:Holomay has been a consistently excellent editor. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 22:11, 14 April 2013 (GMT)
• Support: Per everyone else, but I would like to see a userpage. Jeancey (talk) 03:05, 15 April 2013 (GMT)
  • Comment: Thanks everyone for your support! Sorry that I've been neglecting my user page. I didn’t mean to be unapproachable or secretive; I simply lost myself in other edits, the RC or Lore space whenever I was logged in. :) I’ve started to add some userboxes to my user page, and I’m going to add more information shortly. --Holomay (talk) 18:07, 15 April 2013 (GMT)
• Support: Holomay is a great editor, user page or no :P. An easy yes! ⇠eshe^talk 18:12, 15 April 2013 (GMT)
• Support: Yes, yes, yes aaaaand yes! My interaction with Holomay throughout the wiki puts my full support in this nomination. -helenaanne  ^{talk ♥} 19:24, 15 April 2013 (GMT)

Consensus: Support. Fully supported by all users here. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 10:02, 25 April 2013 (GMT)

Chezburgar (Nomination Withdrawn)

Chezburgar (talk⁺ • contribs • edit count • logs • email)

Over the past month or so I have been contributing to this wiki heavily. I noticed I haven't had one of my edits reverted in a while, which I think means that I'm doing pretty well. I've been making good suggestions as well in the IRC (such as creating a page for every Skyrim creature) and I put those ideas into action. Jeancey suggested I nominate myself for RC Patroller as I am starting to move file pages in the Morrowind namespace, so they have correct file names. Because of this, my amount of edits are increasing swiftly and, apparently, it is becoming hard to patrol all my edits. Everyday I am learning new things about grammar, templates and correct wiki format. I think I will be a great Recent Changes Patroller and I revert vandalism and spam frequently. - Chez ^{talk • email} 22:06, 2 March 2013 (GMT)

Votes

• Support: Chez is an active editor who is very familiar with wiki format and makes few grammatical errors. He would make a good patroller. Vely^►t►e 22:13, 2 March 2013 (GMT)

To expand, check out some of the pages he's launched. He knows grammar. He knows format. He knows how to read and sort data, whether on the wiki or from the games. He is also familiar with filespace. Looking through his patrol log, he also knows how to patrol. Overall, his errors don't seem to be huge or very noticeable, and I'm confident that he can recognize spelling errors, etc. when he goes to patrol. Vely^►t►e 22:28, 3 March 2013 (GMT)

• Support: He's got a fair bit of decent edits going on, and he's got my support on the condition that he uses "Show Preview" a little more often on his sandboxes. ES^{(talk•email)} 22:38, 2 March 2013 (GMT)

• Neutral: Don't get me wrong, MOST of your edits are decent, Chez, but Eshe's comments prompted me to a closer examination, and she is indeed correct about some of your grammar work. I'm on the fence, and so am marking my recast vote as "Neutral", but in the event that my Neutral vote would break a no-clear-consensus, assuming such a scenario happens, then consider my vote opposed for the official tally. Otherwise, no vote for me. ES^{(talk•email)} 20:29, 3 March 2013 (GMT)

• Support: I too support his nomination. He is a solid editor, and as I know from talking with him on IRC, he's very willing to improve himself and fix any mistakes he makes. • JA^T 02:00, 3 March 2013 (GMT)
• Support:The above-stated reasons include mine. --JR (talk) 07:19, 3 March 2013 (GMT)
• Oppose: I have reservations about his grammar and the low amount of content edits he has done. Elliot (talk) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (GMT)

• Comment: His grammar is sketchy at times, and that's as good a reason as any to oppose if you wanted, but he's got (give or take) about one thousand edits to proper articles in the various namespaces. What's "low", in your opinion, if I may ask? Just curious. ES^{(talk•email)} 07:49, 3 March 2013 (GMT)

Low amount of content edits? Vely^►t►e 22:28, 3 March 2013 (GMT)

6 isn't a lot. Elliot (talk) 23:03, 3 March 2013 (GMT)

They are examples of large, good edits he has done--a lot of content, which was actually made in a number of edits in sandboxes. Perhaps not a large amount of content edits, but a large amount of content in edits. Those are just the largest edits--the majority of his ~2000 edits have been content edits (I include most of his userspace edits in my count for his sandboxes). Seems like a lot to me. Vely^►t►e 00:30, 4 March 2013 (GMT)

• Support:Per the above stated reasons. I would also like echo Snowmane's comment about the number of content edits that chez has, which is a fairly significant amount. He also has been a userspace patroller for some time, with no issues there. All in all, I support this. Jeancey (talk) 19:34, 3 March 2013 (GMT)
• Oppose: Chezburgar has made great improvements to many pages and has been helpful in watching for vandalism, but I don't think his grammar and style are of high enough quality to go unpatrolled (or to correct messy edits, for that matter). Just in looking at a few of his most recent page rewrites, I found several grammar errors (missing serial commas, non-US spellings, etc.) and style issues (missing links, many redundant links, informal/non-encyclopedic tone) that I would not feel comfortable having go unchecked for days or even weeks, as often happens when such edits are automatically marked patrolled. Chez has a great attitude and learns quickly from feedback, but his edits still require too much cleanup to be automatically patrolled right now. ⇠eshe^talk 19:51, 3 March 2013 (GMT)

• Comment: Just replying on the rewrite comment you made, with most of the pages, I didn't actually rewrite them as there was no need. I just took them off their sections on the Undead page for example, and then shortened the page they came off. - Chez ^{talk • email} 20:04, 3 March 2013 (GMT)

I understand, and that's fine, but I did find errors in the pages that I would expect a patroller to catch. I don't expect anyone to be perfect, but I do expect patrollers to slow down and check for easy-to-fix errors like that. ⇠eshe^talk 20:13, 3 March 2013 (GMT)

• Oppose: In truth, I haven't been patrolling enough lately to have a good feel for Chezburgar's edits. While I wasn't able to find any problematic edits in a quick check, like Eshe did, just looking at his user page, I found two obvious wording issues ("best onces" and "know how to lots of tables") and a very minor grammatical error (comma missing after "Well"). The last is something I could easily dismiss as a style choice on a user's page, but I expect a patroller's own page to be free of obvious wording problems. If, as he says above, the article errors found were actually introduced by others, I see that as a mitigating reason, but I would still expect a patroller to give material he was moving a quick once over. See, for example, my recent edits where I initially corrected a spelling/wording mistake, then on re-reading the entire sentence, realized that the whole sentence was weak. (Granted, it would have been better if I'd done all that in a single edit, but as Eshe said above, nobody's perfect.) I will say, however, that in looking through Chez's edits, he's been doing a great amount of work, and he's really improving a lot of the articles he's been working on. With a little more time, I think he'll make a fine patroller. – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 20:31, 3 March 2013 (GMT)
• Support: Oh no, this is the same old song once again. You people need to recognize a good editor when you see one, instead of always focusing on all that grammar/spelling bull. Chez has impressed me thoroughly in the past couple of months and has single-handedly created nearly all articles for creatures we have in the SR name-spae (yep, a spelling error right there!). All Chez needs to do is to promise everybody to make someone proofread his articles before launch, because honestly – it’s NOT about spelling and/or grammar anymore, it’s about knowledge on the ES games, especially the new ones. Add to all that that he is a really nice guy and incredibly mature for his age, I wholeheartedly support this nomination. And I will support it again when you people nominate him again in 2 months because he has “improved so much”. Please let’s think content and community, not all the other crap. --Krusty (talk) 22:03, 3 March 2013 (GMT)

• Comment: Charming argument, but it very much is about the editor's grasp of spelling and grammar... That's what Recent Changes Patrollers do, is make sure everything is written professionally and accurately. Doesn't matter how knowledgeable about a new game someone is if they rite liek ths (major exaggeration, I know). Besides, in all honesty, who reviews a patroller's edits? I don't look at them ever, so that's a possible editor who could be making small spelling, grammar errors all across the board that would potentially be unnoticed. Yes, he does write great articles, and he has the latest DLC, but that alone isn't enough. If he wants to be autopatrolled in any capacity, he needs perfect, or near perfect edits. Small mistakes here and there don't fill me with confidence. ES^{(talk•email)}

• Comment: (edit conflict) Being a patroller has nothing to do with what content you add or how many edits you make. Patrollers have to be knowledgeable about our expectations for grammar and style and make sure each edit made to this site conforms to our standards. Making sure our content is formatted correctly and reads well is not "crap", and any user who doesn't demonstrate the ability to do that task consistently should not be a patroller, end of story. We need people verifying and formatting new content just as much as we need people who add massive amounts of content. We have plenty of old edits that go unpatrolled and unchecked for weeks, and frankly some of them are so bad I'm shocked no one caught them the day they were made. That is what we need patrollers for, and that's a patroller's job. It's a function, not a rank; all the game knowledge in the world won't make us the best Elder Scrolls site if it looks like a mess on our pages. ⇠eshe^talk 22:13, 3 March 2013 (GMT)

Comment: I find your comments absolutely deplorable, Krusty (this mentality that you have where everyone is beneath you or stupid for disagreeing with you), but Eshe summed it up perfectly. And I find it hard that a 12 year old would have a grasp of grammar required for such a position. Elliot (talk) 23:03, 3 March 2013 (GMT)

Comment: Typically, I support your position when no one else does, but that is one of the worst arguments I have ever seen in my life. It basically sums us to "I dislike Krusty and dislike young people." What is up with that? Look, I get not supporting a position, but the way that you are reading into Krusty's argument is beyond reason, and your comment that you find it hard that a 12 year old would have the required skills reads as incredibly arrogant and pretentious. News flash, there are young people all over the internet, and whether you like it or not they can be very mature and skilled (unlike you at the moment, whose illogical and emotive argument borders on a personal attack). I feel that Chezburgar is one of these editors. As to concerns that he tends to leave typos on pages that he moves, it's clear that he simply didn't know to fix that, and I'd bet that from now on he will keep an eye out for those sort of things. • JA^T 00:05, 4 March 2013 (GMT)

Age shouldn't come into the nomination, in my opinion, just performance (is RobinHood70 the best patroller? Is Kitkat1749 the worst?). As it is, I think these comments are headed downhill, regardless of whether or not they count as personal attacks--they lack a friendly tone. Perhaps discussion about attitudes on the wiki should be confined to emails or talk pages, not on a nomination page? Vely^►t►e 00:30, 4 March 2013 (GMT)

Comment: You're right. I apologize if I derailed the conversation. • JA^T 01:14, 4 March 2013 (GMT)

I just made it my point to point out Krusty's outrageous comments (which seem to have been largely ignored, as compared to my criticism of his personal attacks). The argument following it had no correlation to the previous one (keep it mind I was the first person who opposed this nomination). And I'm well within my rights to decide age is very important when deciding whether or not someone should be a patroller. I personally believe most should be 16 minimum. There's no way you can try to pin that as a personal attack. Elliot (talk) 03:37, 4 March 2013 (GMT)

• Support: Looking through Chez's edits, everything seems to illustrate that he's a great editor with the potential to be a great patroller. Sure, grammar and spelling might leave a little to be desired, but this seems to be a very minor issue, and one that can be easily rectified by requesting a proof-reader to review his numerous larger edits. In fact, a number of our best editors use this tactic quite frequently, improving their contributions, while building on the basic principle of the wiki: to learn from one another, and to work together to make UESP the best it can be. I feel that the site would benefit from having Chez as a patroller. Kitkat^{Talk•Contrib•Email} 22:56, 3 March 2013 (GMT)
• Oppose: I feel slightly dirty doing this, as I'm all for more patrollers in general. The problem is that Chezburgar's grammar just simply isn't ready for him to have patroller status. The following are from his user page:

"I have recently gotten right into editing, and have made a considerable amount of pages, all of which are in the Skyrim and Dragonborn namespace[s], but I will soon be moving on to [the] Oblivion and Morrowind pages as well."

• I added the bracketed sections. Minor grammatical errors. If those were the only errors, I'd be fine.

"Since the school holidays have ended, I've been finding less time to play Skyrim, because I am either on this wiki, or doing homework."

• The comma after 'Skyrim' is incorrect.

"I am living in NSW, Australia although I go to school in Queensland."

• Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe "I live in NSW" would be correct.

"I play Oblivion and Skyrim on my PS3 and I rarely play a bit of Morrowind on my Laptop."

• This needs a comma between "PS3" and "and". I also don't really like the construction of the second clause. Are you playing the game a little bit, or are you playing a little bit of the game?

"Soon, I am going to start Archery classes and hope to be kinda like Psylocke."

• Doesn't need a comma after "Soon"

"My best ones are: JR, Vulpa, ABCface and Jak Atackka."

• The colon is unnecessary.

"As I said before I am currently making lots of pages on the Skyrim namespace, and am moving onto Oblivion and Morrowind soon."

• The sentence needs a comma after "before". I'll also mention that I don't really like just using "am" in the second independent clause. While it is technically fine, I just don't like it.

I don't really understand people mean by saying that spelling and grammar aren't major issues for a patroller. It is one of the 'Suggested Qualifications'. Adding good content is not a qualification. I don't think we can let someone who has by my count four grammatical errors in their self nomination paragraph patrol the wiki. --Ratwar (talk) 02:23, 4 March 2013 (GMT)

I've never thought userpages were a huge indicator of grammar. They don't take much thought, and mistakes don't matter.

If we want to be picky, I don't think all of those you chose are problems. "I will soon be moving on to Oblivion and Morrowind pages as well" is correct, "I am living in" is the same as "I live in", there is no need for a comma after PS3 ("I do this and I do that" vs. "I do this, and I do that"), whether or not there is a pause after "soon" is subjective in speech, and the unnecessary colon is an error that I see even some patrollers and admins committing. As for wording, that could just come down to dialect.

If we want to be really picky, I could point out a few things on your userpage too (but please don't get offended--I could have problems on mine as well, as could other patrollers/admins, and I just wanted a comparison). But as an example, you use the word "kinda" on your userpage, which is not a real word. It's wording/grammar that would not be placed on an article, but it doesn't matter on a userpage. Content edits are more important. Vely^►t►e 02:51, 4 March 2013 (GMT)

Comment: Ratwar, that grammar lesson is the most unnecessary and ridiculous thing I’ve seen on the wiki in several years. Please get out of 2008 and into the present. That goes for you too, Elliot. I know you hate the wiki and everything it stands for (the articles, the users, the layout), as you don’t even attempt to hide your hatred anymore. The two of you put together has made a total of 13 edits in all of 2013. What are you even doing in this nomination? Please stay away, especially if you don’t have anything intelligent to say. --Krusty (talk) 03:56, 4 March 2013 (GMT)

I'm going to make this short since I am still dealing with a broken hand. The wiki is a collaborative effort amongst many many people. You have taken it upon yourself to go out of your way to discredit people who have edited little, people who have edited with longer periods of time in-between, and people who haven't edited recently. When it comes to the vote on this and when it comes to reaching a consensus, all votes are equal. I've been an active editor for maybe 14 of the 47 months I have been a member, yet I am still 12th on the number of edits. So how dare you ask what any certain individual is doing on this wiki, especially veteran members like Ratwar and myself? How dare you try to pull that? You sit there and say I hate everything the wiki stands for, yet you have continuously gone out of your way to discredit individuals (Snowmane, myself, Ratwar, etc.). You cannot discredit individuals in this community for the amount of work they do, because we all have different lives. We are different people. To say that we should stay away is terrifying, and if more members of the wiki miss this egregious arbitration of the administrative position, then I feel for all of you. I, and other members, will look back at this and basically say "I told you so." Elliot (talk) 04:38, 4 March 2013 (GMT)

Sorry to derail the topic, but can someone enlighten me on when Krusty tried to discredit me? Last I knew, we were friends and got along. To my talk page or an email or something, simply for my own curiosity? And, yes, I'll agree your comment was a little... Off, for being an administrator. ES^{(talk•email)} 04:42, 4 March 2013 (GMT)

(←) This has gotten way, WAY out of hand. Everyone walk away from this, now. Take a deep breath, get some rest, and come back when you can participate in a discussion without the negativity and abusive language.⇠eshe^talk 04:55, 4 March 2013 (GMT)

• Oppose: I took a look at the last 3 weeks of Chez's edits. Based on this, I don't think he's quite ready to be a patroller and have his edits auto-patrolled. While we all make mistakes, a very large percentage of his non-page-move-related edits had to be tweaked by someone else for grammar, punctuation, etc. I personally don't hold the quality of his userpage against him, as I think many people take a more casual approach to their own userpage, but article content is another story. I sincerely hope that Chez will continue to add his excellent content and style to the wiki, and look forward to welcoming him to the list of patrollers in the near future. --Xyzzy ^Talk 03:06, 4 March 2013 (GMT)

• Oppose: I think Chez has a lot of potential to be a good patroller in the future, as he is a good editor and has lots of very positive attributes when it comes to the wiki. He has made significant improvements since his start here, and is an awesome person who responds very well to feedback. I love his attitude and I think, in time, he could have what it takes. However, it is not just grammar or spelling that come up as issues with his edits (and those are still issues, though he is improving). The content that Chez has added to many of his pages has often been either very incomplete or factually incorrect. I realize that many of his creature pages were simply copying and pasting information from one page to another, and while some might see this as a reason to excuse the mistakes being transferred, I see it as an indication that he needs more experience before trusting his edits to go unchecked. No, we don't all need to be game data experts, or spelling and grammar experts, or template or formatting experts. We all have our unique qualities and skills, just as we all have areas in which we aren't so skilled. Like Kitkat said, that's what the wiki is all about- a collaborative effort between different members of the wiki community, all of whom have different gifts. But edits by patrollers should be trusted as reliable and verifiable, and should not need to be constantly tweaked for multiple types of errors. This is not to say that patrollers should be perfect. No one is, or can be. But if an article is going to be created by a patroller, it shouldn't be full of incorrect information that needs significant editing in order to be of UESP quality. Like I said, Chez has a lot of potential, and I do believe that one day he could be a great patroller. He is a very valuable contributor to the wiki, and I want to encourage him to continue what he's doing. I think he still needs more experience, though. I simply would not be comfortable with him patrolling the edits of others just yet. — ABCface^◥ 03:54, 4 March 2013 (GMT)

• Support: One of the key aspects of working on a Wiki is the ability to work with, learn from, and teach others. In the month for which I have had the pleasure of knowing Chez, he has done just that. I do agree that he has some issues with grammar, but I do not see that being a deal breaker. He is always eager to learn, and I would be honoured to have him patrolling my edits. This message was written by Rosalia ^{Tell her what you think...}_{...of her work here.} 06:12, 4 March 2013 (GMT)

I removed this nomination from the respective page as I agree that I am not fully ready to patrol others edits. I completely agree my grammar can be sketchy at times and I will work to improve that. One last comment though to Elliot:

• Comment: Elliot, the fact that I am only twelve years of age doesn't mean that my edits of any sort are less productive. I am sure if I was twenty and doing the same edits you wouldn't be complaining. I am sorry to all of those who have supported my nomination, and feel free to support once again after the three month period of nomination suspension, when I eventually get nominated again. - Chez ^{talk • email} 07:11, 4 March 2013 (GMT)

Jeancey

Jeancey (talk⁺ • contribs • edit count • logs • email)

I've had the pleasure of patrolling a few of Jeancey's contributions which number in the thousands. His edits are always helpful, and he always puts serious thought into them, checking his work. It's easy to see he's responsible enough to be patroller, and that instead of increasing the unpatrolled posts a great deal, he could reduce them a bit. He's active on IRC, so it's easy to get ahold of him, and he does consult with the more experienced editors when he's got a question. I find myself after one month of his presence being less experienced than him as an editor, so I admit he could teach me a thing or two though I've been lurking around here for years. --Lukish_ Tlk Cnt 06:58, 7 January 2013 (GMT)

I accept this nomination, I look forward to hearing what everyone has to say and answering any questions you may have. Thank you, everyone, for all of your comments (be they good or bad). :) Jeancey (talk) 17:32, 7 January 2013 (GMT)

Votes

• Support: As nominator.
• Support: One of Lukish's observations strikingly accords with my own: Jeancey is smart and active, but extraordinarily open to feedback. He is respectful and open-minded, though very capable of taking initiative and developing solutions. Easy to collaborate with. An easy person to trust quite quickly. --JR (talk) 07:18, 7 January 2013 (GMT)
• Support: I haven't been in IRC enough to know him personally, and therefore can't speak on his merits as a person, but at the very least the edits speak for themselves, which is good enough for me. Snowmane^{(talk•email)} 07:58, 7 January 2013 (GMT)
• Support: He edits a lot and most of his edits are good enough to patrol right away. I'd love to see him help out with patrolling. Vely^►t►e 16:25, 7 January 2013 (GMT)
• Support: Agreed with all of the above. Most of his edits which I've checked, I've been able to mark as patrolled without having to take further action. He's great about asking questions on talk pages and in IRC when he's unsure, and he's learned very quickly. I'd trust him to help us out with patrolling for sure. — ABCface^◥ 16:39, 7 January 2013 (GMT)
• Support: Per everyone else above. Jeancey is an excellent editor, and has made countless good contributions. This will cut down on the patrolling workload considerably, since his edits constitute about 10% of all edits. • JA^T 17:01, 7 January 2013 (GMT)
• Support: I'm ever so slightly hesitant to support, I can't really place it but it feels a little too soon for Jeancey. He is also an editor on wikipedia, and having gone over some of his contributions, I feel cautiously optimistic that Jeancey will learn quickly from any mistakes he may make. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 22:01, 7 January 2013 (GMT)
• Support: I haven't been patrolling as much as I'd like to lately, but from what I've seen, Jeancey's edits have been excellent. – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 05:16, 8 January 2013 (GMT)
• Support: I'm not entirely knowledgeable about this wiki yet, but I know a good editor when I see one. I don't think I have ever seen anyone revert one of Jeancey's edits. I most certainly think Jeancey deserves to be a patroller, and he will be a good one at that. - The Chez Cake ^{Talk to the Cheese} 20:43, 8 January 2013 (GMT)
• Support:Not much else I can add. He's a great editor and extremely active.--Skyrimplayer (talk) 17:48, 11 January 2013 (GMT)
• Support:Everyone was doing it. I just wanted to be popular. Seriously, I think Jeancey will be a great addition to the team. --Xyzzy ^Talk 22:20, 11 January 2013 (GMT)

Consensus: Support.

⇠eshe^talk 15:33, 16 January 2013 (GMT)