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Getting redirected to mobile pages[edit]

After some debugging I've reached the conclusion that this is happening because of the Squid cache server you use: a user visits a page from his mobile phone, and the mobile version of the page gets cached in the Squid server. The next person who loads the page gets the mobile version, regardless of what platform he's browsing from, because that's what's saved in the Squid cache.

This only happens to unregistered users, since logged in users don't have their caches paged by Squid. If it happens to you, you can press Ctrl+Shift+R to ask Squid to bypass its own cache and serve you the current page.

But, please, fix it. It is very annoying. --Sandbox (talk) 17:27, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the note...this shouldn't be the case as the desktop and mobile versions of the page are different URLS (en.uesp.net and en.m.uesp.net) but a quick test seems to agree with you. I'll check it out further and see if it can be fixed. -- Daveh (talk) 17:55, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
So I must have got really lucky with my quick tests as I can't recreate the issue in on other page or with the original page (http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Br%27itsa) once I purge it. If you can give some more explicit examples of how you are testing it so we can replicate that would be great. Squid does cache using the full URL so it would seem that this is not the complete issue at the very least. -- Daveh (talk) 18:04, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
One of your assumptions is wrong. All users get the mobile theme from en.uesp.net, provided they have the user-agent of a mobile browser.
A quick way to reproduce this with a computer would be like this. Do all of this while logged off!
  • Open Google Chrome and hit F12, this will open the developer tools toolbox. At the top-left side of this toolbox, the second icon next to the mouse cursor is a mobile and a tablet ("Toggle device toolbar"), click it. You'll see the current page has stretched; click the dropdown on top of it that says "Responsive" and switch it to some mobile phone, "Galaxy S5" is OK. Now, you're sending the user-agent of a Samsung mobile phone.
  • Open http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Br%27itsa -- depending on who visited it the last time, it'll be the full or the mobile version.
  • Press Ctrl+Shift+R to ask Chrome to reload the page, telling the web server to completely disregard the cache. This will make Squid destroy its own cache and ask MediaWiki for the webpage. You'll see the mobile version appear as it should: MediaWiki is being told you're a mobile phone, and therefore you're getting the wiki with the mobile theme.
  • Open a new tab. This time, it's the normal browser; you're not pretending to be a mobile. Open http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Br%27itsa You'll get the mobile version of the wiki. This confirms it's cached in Squid like that because you just visited it from a mobile phone. Press Ctrl+Shift+R, this way Squid will destroy its cache and ask MediaWiki again for the webpage. You'll get the full version, because you have the user-agent of a computer.
  • Switch back to the mobile tab. Click the URL field and press enter to reload the webpage making sure you're not bypassing the Squid cache. You'll get the full version of the page, because that's what you cached. If you press Ctrl+Shift+R again from here, you'll get the mobile version.
  • And so on.
I hope you can reproduce it. --Sandbox (talk) 18:18, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Ahh, that was it. For some reason the "autodetect" portion was still on. I turned that off and have to figure out how to auto-redirect mobile devices to the mobile site (which I thought it was doing). -- Daveh (talk) 15:40, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
I made some changes which include a forced redirect to the mobile site to prevent the cache poisoning. Give it a go and see if that works for you now or not. It seems that MobileFrontEnd doesn't redirect itself and it is handled by another part of MediaWiki or the HTTP server in Wikipedia. -- Daveh (talk) 19:37, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
tyvm. --Sandbox (talk) 09:45, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Well, I have just realised this keeps happening. The only difference now is that instead of the whole mobile page being cached, what's cached is the redirect to en.m.uesp.net, but the effect is the same. --Sandbox (talk) 11:04, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Of course it does...:) I made a quick change to try and prevent Squid from caching the 302 redirect. Once again it "seems" to work in a few quick tests but if you find otherwise let me know! -- Daveh (talk) 19:13, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Also had to make an unrelated change in order to get HTTPS to work for the mobile changes so the "en.m.uesp.net" mobile sites are no longer going through Squid which prevents them from being cached at all (at least for the moment until I can figure out multiple SSL certificates in Squid 2.x). -- Daveh (talk) 20:14, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Testing New Ad Network[edit]

I happened to have a chat with some from Curse recently who mentioned that they run an ad network for gaming related sites which includes better vetting of ads to reduce/eliminate the number of "bad ads" (auto scrolling, auto playing, inappropriate content, etc...). I've signed up for a 2 month test run with them to supply all the ads on UESP during this time. I'm setting it up this week so except a bunch of changes from day to day. I'm hoping this give us roughly the same revenue to keep the site running and reduce user frustration with ads.

If you run into page errors or ad issues of any kind don't hesitate to let me know (Curse ads are not yet active). -- Daveh (talk) 14:15, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm sure a lot of people will be happy if it is an improvement. Some others will be happier with the new puns available (including the ability to Curse ads). Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 18:03, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
In a confused second I found myself looking for the "Like" button to express my support. —MortenOSlash (talk) 20:26, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this is an error, but as of today, AdBlock blocks ads but leaves a blank space at the top where the ad was, instead of collapsing that blank space. I'm also seeing ads at the top when logged in (or a blank space if AdBlock is enabled), but I have not logged in for a while so I don't know if that is new or was intentionally changed. Vely►t►e 14:49, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
I have the same blank space as Vely, however I don't see any ads at all and I don't even have an ad blocker. •WoahBro►talk 15:18, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm not one to complain about blank spaces if they are caused by ad-blockers, but I've just tested with Chrome and Opera (as well as my use of Firefox) and the blank spaces at both the top and bottom are persisting when the inbuild blockers are active. The blank space can be rather off-putting and looks odd, so something should be done, whether removing it or putting one of those explanatory messages about why ads are needed. Feels odd to be cursing the lack of ads. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 23:02, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

() I did not even know there was an inbuilt blocker in Chrome, and I have certainly not actively turned it on. (Where is the setting for that?) Still there are these blank spaces on the top and bottom of the articles where the ads were supposed to be. How can this ad network give any revenue if the more common browsers are blocking the ads by default? —MortenOSlash (talk) 08:49, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

My mistake, Chrome is planning to add one (by next year), I thought they already had one. Without my installed one the ads appear, with it blank spaces. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 11:50, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
All the more an issue. The ads are not there on my Chrome. Just an empty space over the article and an empty space under it. And I have no known adblock software. The ads are there with Edge. —MortenOSlash (talk) 17:42, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
I have got the ads now, with no change in my settings. (Still Chrome on Win10) —MortenOSlash (talk) 05:40, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

() As a temporary workaround for the top ad taking up space when it shouldn't, I've added a means of suppressing that specific ad altogether. To do so, just add #topad { display:none; } to your common.css page on a new line. See mine if you want an example. A few provisos: only logged-in users can do this, since IP users can't customize their CSS (at least, not via the wiki), and this may change or be removed at any point, since it's not an ideal long-term solution and it will obviously depend whether we want to keep the new ads in the long-run. Robin Hood  (talk) 21:30, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Unless I'm missing something this isn't active wiki-wide nor have I touched my cs, yet the top space is gone. I've logged in and out, and on both Firefox and Opera the space is gone, though it remains on Chrome (no adblocker). Perhaps it just needed a purge with the new ads? Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 22:56, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Somehow, I'm not really surprised, even though nothing I did should have had that effect. There have been a lot of different reports of ads, space, or nothing, with no apparent rhyme or reason. Caching of some kind could well be part of the problem. At least for those who are just getting a big blank space, this'll let them get rid of it. I'm largely leaving the rest to Dave, though, because I don't actually know what all was involved with the new ads, and there's clearly things affecting them that I'm unaware of, so I didn't want to poke around too much. Robin Hood  (talk) 23:14, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Can we go back to the old ads please? Or at the very least block the ones with autoplaying videos. I've been getting those on every other page, and you'll probably go deaf if you dare open more than 2 tabs. There's no way to report them, and I don't think the Steam Overlay browser supports any adblockers. 98.18.163.16 00:22, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
I see all these postings about video ads, but I can not seem to have registered any of them myself. Are there wide variations on who gets them and not? —MortenOSlash (talk) 13:56, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Redirect Escaping Issue[edit]

This is probably a pretty specific issue, but when you search with the !uesp bang on DuckDuckGo, it sends you to e.g. www.uesp.net/wiki/Special:Search?search=skyrim:skyrim&... which gets 301 redirected to the appropriate language subdomain such as en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:Search?search=skyrim%253Askyrim&..., but the search field seems to get double URL encoded in the process, so when it gets decoded after the redirect, colons show up as %3A in the search field and there's no results. This also happens with spaces, turning them into %20, so the search is basically unusable via the DDG bang. Hopefully this can be fixed, as it would otherwise be super convenient! DuBistKomisch (talk) 15:36, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

This appears to be a problem with their coding, as it also fails when using it to search wikipedias subnamespaces. It appears they are using hex codes when converting, rather than the standard html codes used on mediawikis. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 17:41, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

beyondskyrim.uesp.net?[edit]

I'd like to bring up the issue of this new wiki and point editors towards this discussion. —Legoless (talk) 16:39, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Unless Dave has given his permission that wiki is infringing on our name and our site/servers. I don't believe it has permission seeing as it makes no sense to have a separate wiki on the same site, detracting from the main one, and it is duplicating the layout by wikipedia and not here. I can't see any links for contacting the site owners but if they are the same people as the ones editing here I suggest they either cease and desist or let it be known that they have dave's permission to use his servers. I've emailed Daveh, as others probably have too, to get this sorted. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 16:59, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
It's hosted by us/Dave, apparently at the request of the mod authors. However, I also agree that it's damaging to our own Tes5Mod documentation to set up a competing wiki. If we're hosting it, it should be on our platform. —Legoless (talk) 17:04, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
First of all, there's definitely no infringement issues, as it was set up by Dave together with one of the Beyond Skyrim team leaders. I hope Dave doesn't mind me posting this, but here's the discussion between myself and him after the BS developers concluded that they wanted to ditch their unused wiki at Dark Creations:
Enodoc - 23/06/2017
Have you ever considered hosting other Elder Scrolls fan wikis?

Reorx - 23/06/2017
What other ES fan wikis?

Enodoc - 23/06/2017
The Beyond Skyrim guys are apparently looking to move their wiki out of Dark Creations.

Reorx - 23/06/2017
Ahh, I see
We could definitely host that for them if they'd like
We've hosted a bunch of small fan sites over the years.
TamrielRebuilt is one the larger ones (no longer with us but we had it for a while).

Enodoc - 23/06/2017
Don't we still have TR stuff in the TES3Mod namespace? Or are they not using it any more?

Reorx - 23/06/2017
Not sure what we have on the wiki, but they had their own web site/dev wiki seperate from ours.
I think we have some general info in the UESP wiki.

Enodoc - 23/06/2017
Ah OK.
Well thanks for the offer of hosting, I'll pass that on to them and see what they say!

Reorx - 23/06/2017
Yup, that goes for any ES site that happens to need hosting, temporary or otherwise.

Enodoc - 23/06/2017
Hmm, I will endeavour to remember that :smiley:
27 June 2017
Now personally, if Dave is happy with the concept, then so am I, and since the BS wiki itself is a product of the BS team, then I don't think the UESP wiki administration has any say on whether it actually exists or not. The alternative would be that it's just hosted somewhere else. --Enodoc (talk) 17:46, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
The Tamriel Rebuilt content we host is in-depth and high-standard, and includes the Stirk Oblivion mod in addition to the main TES3 project which is still updated by members of the modding team and UESP editors alike. The Tamriel Rebuilt website mentioned in the conversation above is not a (public) wiki. This Beyond Skyrim website, on the other hand, is in direct competition with UESPWiki. As you said, its existence is a decision for the modding team, but I think we're shooting ourselves in the foot with regards to our own BS documentation if this goes ahead. —Legoless (talk) 18:00, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
The logic of having a semi-competing public wiki hosted on the same server wasn't really the concern for me. My concern was whether it had permission to be there and if it does then that's fine. There's not really any notes about what the wiki is for, or how it intends to avoid duplicity with existing content here (unless of course it intends to duplicate sections of the main wiki). This may all be due to it being in its infancy, but someone must surely have anticipated the anxiety such a wiki would create upon its creation and sought to allay any concerns by being open and upfront about its existence. The users on this wiki have always been concerned about the use of our materials without proper attribution or permission, and with good cause, so to see a new wiki using our name with no apparent endorsement was very concerning. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 19:08, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
From the BS team's perspective, the draw for having a separate wiki over making use of Tes5Mod space was so that they had direct administrative control over it and were not bound by any of the UESP restrictions on what is actually allowed in modspace. The draw for them being hosted on the UESP server was intended to be to foster cross-cooperation between the two wikis; they get a spot on the server of a well-respected Elder Scrolls fansite, we get links from them for documentation of the primary Skyrim gameplay aspects, which they then don't need to duplicate as they are mostly unchanged, and it frees us from having to consider how to document Beyond Skyrim in the Depth over Breadth category because we know there's a dedicated wiki specifically for that purpose.
For the end user, the result is essentially the same; if they're here looking for Beyond Skyrim, they'll start off at either General:Beyond Skyrim or a root page in Tes5Mod (yet to be created). From there, if we have all the content ourselves, they will either end up navigating through numerous subpages of that one Tes5Mod root page, or if we link to the BS wiki, they'll be navigating through the pages there. As long as they can find what they're looking for, I don't really think they'll care whether it says "UESPWiki" or "Beyond Skyrim Wiki" at the top. Beyond that, anyone who enters the BS wiki from other entry points, such as the official BS website, would see the close relationship with UESP and may then be inclined to visit us as well. If they were off on their own, that connection wouldn't be there.
Being labelled as the "official Beyond Skyrim Wiki" rather than hidden away as the n'th mod covered by UESP also allows them some legitimacy, as I have always believed that there is less support for the creation of unofficial wikis on a topic if a specific community has a designated official one. I would say therefore that the UESP being the hosts of the "official Beyond Skyrim Wiki" shouldn't really be considered a detriment to us. The fact that Beyond Skyrim even considered the option of having UESP host their official wiki should speak volumes about how much the wider Elder Scrolls community values us as an Elder Scrolls site, and the fact that UESP/Dave agreed to host their official wiki was certainly met with a very positive reception when it was announced to the Beyond Skyrim team.
So with that in mind, I would like to suggest that we act like the gracious hosts that I thought we were, and we show support for the Beyond Skyrim team and their official wiki. Beyond Skyrim needs to be documented, and they have somewhere for that to be done. --Enodoc (talk) 22:42, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Edit: I keep forgetting to mention that the wiki's URL is broken, and beyondskyrim.uesp.net is not intended. For all technical domain purposes, it is supposed to be wiki.beyondskyrim.org, but the certification isn't ready. --Enodoc (talk) 22:55, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

() The initial talk page I linked to above has been deleted, so I suppose this discussion will have to happen UESP-side (as it should have from the start). —Legoless (talk) 22:59, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

It might be worth mentioning that the uesp wiki will also have pages on us just like there are for Tamriel Rebuilt (our community was founded via Tamriel rebuilt members). The fact that the url for this new wiki contains uesp is temporary and because I haven't bought the certificates yet to use the wiki.beyondskyrim.org and devwiki.beyondskyrim.org url. — Unsigned comment by Meliodas (talkcontribs) at 23:01 on 2 July 2017 (UTC)
So I've discussed the purpose of the public BS wiki with Meliodas at length and it doesn't appear to have very much overlap at all with our potential coverage. I'd therefore like to suggest that we limit our coverage to the released mods (currently only Bruma), which is exactly how we handle TR releases. The BS wiki is much larger in scope, and in hindsight I realise it was unfair to label it as competition since its focus is inherently different. Does this work for everyone? —Legoless (talk) 00:36, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Sounds good to me! Seems I may have misinterpreted the purpose of the public BS wiki all along. Or perhaps its true purpose was yet to be decided, and with the hype of the Bruma release I was rushing to a conclusion that was not ready to be reached. --Enodoc (talk) 00:46, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Agreed! It seems we have come to a solution that is good for all involved parties. --Meliodas (talk) 01:08, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

ESO Horns of the Reach PTS[edit]

A little late on this update since I just got back from vacation...fortunately it is a smaller content DLC.

-- Daveh (talk) 19:59, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Awesome! —Legoless (talk) 20:00, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Pseudo-Namespace Proposal[edit]

If we are to be documenting the content of Beyond Skyrim, starting with the release of Beyond Skyrim: Bruma which just came out, I think it would be beneficial to set up some pseudo-namespaces for that information, similar to what was done with Tamriel Rebuilt. A slight difference in format here is that each province is being developed as a separate mod, unlike TR3 where everything is part of the same one, so ideally we will need pseudo-namespaces for each one of those. Right now though, all that is released is Bruma, which is part of the Cyrodiil province. So following the layout of MediaWiki:Uespnamespacelist (thanks for the link, RH), I would like to propose a namespace for Beyond Skyrim: Cyrodiil:

# NS_BASE                        ; NS_ID  ; NS_PARENT  ; NS_NAME                  ; NS_MAINPAGE                      ;
Tes5Mod:Beyond Skyrim: Cyrodiil  ; BS5C   ; Skyrim     ; Beyond Skyrim: Cyrodiil  ; Tes5Mod:Beyond Skyrim: Cyrodiil  ;

 NS_CATEGORY                    ; NS_TRAIL
 Tes5Mod-Beyond Skyrim-Cyrodiil ; [[Skyrim:Skyrim|Skyrim]]: [[Tes5Mod:Main Page|Tes5Mod]]: [[Tes5Mod:Beyond Skyrim|Beyond Skyrim]]: [[Tes5Mod:Beyond Skyrim: Cyrodiil|Cyrodiil]]

Thanks! --Enodoc (talk) 12:18, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure we need to create pseudo-namespaces for every partial release of Beyond Skyrim, particularly if we are not going to document it to the same extent as Tamriel Rebuilt due to it having its own wiki for that level of detail. I don't see any reason not to set this up at least for at least Tes5Mod:Beyond Skyrim. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 16:23, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm leaning towards Silencer's thinking at the moment, but a lot depends on just how much documentation you're expecting, and how you intend to organize it. It makes a lot of sense to have everything under a single pseudo-namespace of Tes5Mod:Beyond Skyrim, so you can have parent-project pages (e.g., Beyond Skyrim/Main, Beyond Skyrim/Places) as well as sub-project pages (e.g., Beyond Skyrim/Bruma/Places). But if there really isn't a need for parent-project pages, then that's just going to lead to a page structure that's all sub-project pages anyway (e.g., Beyond Skyrim/Black Marsh/Places, Beyond Skyrim/Bruma/Places), and having each different subspace defined might make more sense in the long run. Robin Hood  (talk) 17:17, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
The province mods are completely separate, just like the games in the Elder Scrolls series itself. Beyond Skyrim is an umbrella, not a project in its own right, and each mod will have its own partial releases (which is why all links from BS: Bruma already go to pages under BS: Cyrodiil). I think that format would indeed all be double-sub pages, because there would be no need for a BS/Places (if it existed, it would be very long). The level of detail we should be documenting here is pretty much the same as what we have for Tamriel Rebuilt; quests, places, NPCs, and all gameplay stuff. Conversely, the Beyond Skyrim wiki is the equivalent of lorespace, not a gamespace, and that's the sort of stuff we don't have for TR, because the depths of TR lore are on their own website at the TR Handbook. For a parallel, if we were to ever document the Province: Cyrodiil mod for Morrowind, we would likely do that with a "Province: Cyrodiil" pseudospace, not a "Project Tamriel" pseudospace, because PC is a mod in its own right despite being under the PT banner. --Enodoc (talk) 20:35, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Enodoc's suggestion sounds sensible to me: separate mods, separate pseudo-namespaces. "Tes5Mod:Beyond Skyrim: Cyrodiil/Places" is a bit of a mouthful but it works. —Legoless (talk) 15:23, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
Okay, that makes sense then. I just finished implementing it. Let me know if there are any issues. Robin Hood  (talk) 19:21, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Spambot?[edit]

Not quite sure what to do with this IP. It added a corporate LinkedIn link but reverted it. —Legoless (talk) 05:06, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

It's still spam, but perhaps a less severe penalty, maybe just a warning (something for future reference to know that IP has spammed before if the next move is done). Also remove the edits from public view as most spam and vandalism is these days. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 11:31, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Following the link provided, this company is very obviously going to be aware of social media and how it works, so my feeling is that it's a sneaky type of advertising. They know the change will be looked at, even if it's reverted. For that reason alone, I'd suggest revision deletion, and otherwise treat it like any other spammer. If it's only a one-off occurrence, there's not much point in blocking the IP, but we should keep our eyes open for similar behaviour in the near future, whether from that IP or another IP/account. Robin Hood  (talk) 16:09, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Account Creation Spam[edit]

Recently, bots or users have been making it through our captcha check and creating numerous new user accounts. Over the course of the day today, I've tried tweaking the captcha several times, starting with minor changes to the algorithm, then getting a bit more elaborate this last time. Each time, it has been followed within moments by what appear to be new random accounts. This suggests that either there's human involvement in the creations or that the bot is very broad ranging and won't be deterred short of a major change in approach. I could change to a different style of question captcha, or a different captcha completely, but if it's an actual human creating these accounts, that would be a waste of time.

For those who are wondering, they're all coming from completely different IP addresses, and most are using different naming styles, so neither blocking nor title-blocking will be terribly effective. As someone pointed out on the wiki, it's possible that some of these are non-editing accounts that are intended only to use the ESO Build Editor or just to save settings, but I'm not sure that would account for the number of accounts we're seeing, and some of the names seem really spammy in nature. It's hard to say with absolute certainty, though.

In the short term, there's not much to be done that I haven't already. In the long term, however, there are a few potential options, though most have some kind of problem associated with them:

  1. Put up with it, knowing a vandal could use these accounts to launch a bot attack from multiple accounts at once or in quick succession, potentially becoming a distributed denial-of-service attack (which has never happened, so not likely a big threat). In terms of not locking out legitimate users, this is probably the safest option.
  2. Require patroller/admin creation of all new accounts. This has several issues, the biggest being that either a communal e-mail box would have to be maintained for these applications, or some other simple mechanism of applying would have to be created. It's also possible that spammer(s) would just continue a variation of what they're doing now, and simply flood the system with requests.
  3. Create an extension to delete the accounts if they go completely unused and aren't logged into for X days. MediaWiki wasn't really designed with the idea of deleting users, though it is possible. The danger is that a bug in the program could delete legitimate data. Plus, it would require Dave or I to program it in the first place, since I don't see any extension that would work on a large-scale basis. (The only one I found is intended to completely wipe a single user from the database within certain limitations.)
  4. Switch login/account creation systems completely. The current recommended method is OpenID, which has a MediaWiki extension available. That would limit a spammer's ability to create accounts based on having OpenID accounts available, but then it also requires that a real user have an OpenID account. Most do, mind you, whether they realize it or not, since it's linked with numerous common services like Google and Facebook. Of course, that's still potentially prone to abuse, depending on the spammer's ability to get around any given service's account-spam prevention. This would be entirely up to Dave to install, and may cost money...it wasn't entirely clear.

In the past, we've generally gone for option #1, but given the complaints on Discord about the wave of new user accounts, I thought I'd throw it out there for discussion again. Robin Hood  (talk) 21:50, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Given the relative lack of vandalism or spam by new user accounts I would be very wary of escalating a problem that doesn't appear to exist. Besides today I have not seen a huge amount (certainly not above "normal" numbers) of new accounts that would be worrying, but I know that a significant percentage of these accounts are by spam-bots that are simply getting blocked by the abuse filter, so do not appear to be what they are. As far as I can tell, we are also one of the cleanest open wikis on the net, as we've always had diligent recent changes monitors. The recent extreme vandalism is also very very rare, and we won't see the like for a long time once we are past it, certainly not enough to make me think there was something wrong with our account making process (well besides not having blocked the username "Administrator" from use). I thought the whole think was rather contained in nature, with our new Blockers having a hand in stemming the abuse. Option 2 for me is a non-starter, I think the amount of requests would far outweigh the capability of looking at and deciding the merits of them all, plus it removes the idea that we have an "open" wiki, because even if you still didn't need to log in to edit, you would need our "permission" to "join". Option 3 should be left alone too. The reason mediawiki chooses not to allow deletion is because every edit is tied to an account/IP, and deleting them means that the edit no longer has verifiability. While this is not the intention of such a program, the possibility should be locked in a vat of toxic waste and tossed into the Sun. There are problems associated with mass-deletion of vandalism from the history of pages (namely proof of the vandalism), and there will be even more problems with deletion of accounts where there is no proof of maliciousness. I just don't like Option 4, as it ties us to another site/group. It also appears that Google, Facebook, and Yahoo have abandoned it, with the only major user being PayPal. I just don't like the idea of requiring someone to have an account on another site in order to join here, though perhaps we should think of allowing people on Facebook and Google+ to associate their accounts here, and/or have the choice to use them to log in here.
The last option still wants to improve our creation process, but it's hard to see how with any captcha as they are always vulnerable to bots. The latest method is two-factor authentication using a phone. This, as far as I can tell, requires human interaction. Required two-factor authentication either via email or phone, is one step that doesn't infringe on our openness, as the likelihood of a potential user not having one or the other is probably zero. If at all possible we could also incentivise it by reducing the time and/or amount of edits required before gaining full freedoms to edit. PS, no idea if that would affect account creation by logged in users, but obviously try to avoid it if possible. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 00:35, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
Just to clarify, for option #3, I was referring to accounts that have no edit history whatsoever, including any deleted edits or abuse history. Also, even though it isn't required to edit, e-mail verification is already being done by the bots in many cases. Robin Hood  (talk) 05:15, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

ESO Horns of the Reach (Update 15) Release[edit]

The usual file/data updates for HOTR DLC will be posted below:

  • uespLog Addon -- Updated to v1.20!
  • Achievements -- Updated!
  • Champion Points -- Updated!
  • Skills and Skill Coefficients -- Updated! and double-checked
  • Icons -- Updated!
  • Maps -- Nothing to update.
  • Files -- Uploaded!
  • Items -- Done!
  • API -- Done!
  • Books -- Done! (upload in files and updated database)

-- Daveh (talk) 13:58, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Autopatrolled[edit]

Is there a process for requesting the autopatrolled bit? I do a lot of typo fixing and Style Guide compliance edits, and I think the minor edit stream is annoying to patrollers. — Darklocq  ¢ 01:20, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

The process is documented at UESPWiki:Autopatrolled Users. The short of it is: those with patroller permissions get tired of patrolling your edits notice that your edits are usually good, and nominate you to become autopatrolled. Robin Hood  (talk) 04:38, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Noted. — Darklocq  ¢ 21:44, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Mine arent fully good yet, at least not until I learn all the differences in templates/procedure. (So apologies to the patrollers in the meantime. I tend to post a lot. Timeoin (talk) 11:10, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Site issues[edit]

Noticing some major issues this morning - Did we upgrade the wiki software recently or something? All of the sidebar stuff is gone, and I can no longer upload images - also the image upload page no longer lists the licenses in the licensing drop box. In addition, the UESP-specific options that usually appear below the edit window are also gone. Seems like all hidden site pages have been completely reset to defaults. The site would not let me post edits due to "loss of session data", and suggested logging out and back in, and when I did so, it would not let me log back in, claiming I had cookies disabled, which I do not. This occurs on both of my computers. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? - TheRealLurlock (talk) 13:58, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Okay, not sure if somebody did something, but a couple hours later, it seems to be working again. Not sure what was up with that... — TheRealLurlock (talk) 15:27, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
The site was down two Saturdays ago (the 19th August) in the morning, but completely down, not just not displaying properly. Not sure if its relevant but the coincidental timing is there. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 16:46, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Daveh said on Discord it was due to memcached crashing every Saturday morning. —Legoless (talk) 17:09, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

ESO Clockwork City PTS[edit]

The usual update for another content release on the ESO PTS. This update may take longer for me since I'm dealing with a newborn most hours of the day so if you're looking for something in particular just let me know.

  • uespLog Addon -- Seems to be working fine on PTS so far.
  • Files Uploaded -- Done!
  • Maps - Done! I've added a link to Clockwork city from the base Mundus map but all other locations still need to be added.
  • Skills -- Done!
  • Skill Coefficients -- Done!
  • CPs -- Done!
  • Items -- Done!
  • Icons -- Uploaded!

-- Daveh (talk) 20:28, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Hey Dave, the uploaded icons.zip appears to be only about 2/3 complete. Some folders are missing and it's ~70MB instead of the usual ~90MB. Thanks! --Enodoc (talk) 00:18, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks...fixed! -- Daveh (talk) 15:13, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

User Rename[edit]

Renamed Nephmir to Starkiller131 per their request. —Legoless (talk) 19:32, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Gift Brainstorming[edit]

Every year, usually around Christmas time, I like to give out an ES/UESP related gift to thank the site's contributors and fans. For example, last year we did the Tamriel map posters. In deciding what to do this and following years I'm looking for suggestions on what we could do. For now don't worry about the details too much and let your imaginations run wild. For some things there are potential issues like cost, shipping, and licensing issues but those can be dealt with once a gift project is actually chosen and started.

Some of my ideas to start with:

  • Coins -- I had some coins made for a summer camp project a few years ago and they are relatively easy/cheap with many different construction options.
  • Maps -- I love maps although since we did one last year there's no rush in doing another one. If we ever do another map I'd like to commission an artist to have a custom one drawn up for us.
  • UESP Merchandise -- Take just about anything from VistaPrint or similar sites with a UESP logo.
  • Books -- A more work intensive project but might be nice to see some of the better UESP pages/lore/art in a actual bound book.
  • 3D Printing -- You can do a lot with 3D printing lately using models from games including character models or world spaces. Downside is that this is complex and relatively costly.
  • Replicas/Figurines -- The minimum order for a custom model is relatively low and within the realm of possibility. Licensing would be the main issue.
  • Posters -- You could make a poster of just about anything (ex: a nice game screenshot, lore articles, etc...).
  • Charity -- I like to give a little to charity each year when we can. Past recipients include World Vision, Charity: Water, and Child's Play. This would be in addition to the fan gift.

Looking forward to some of your ideas! -- Daveh (talk) 01:14, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

The UESP Merchandise caught my eye, but its hard to see what would work. A mouse pad or t-shirt would not suit everyone, but perhaps a plate or glass or mug. I think my muffins would benefit in taste sitting on a plate with the logo. Another idea popped in my head when browsing vistaprint; a calendar. There are a couple of versions of the Tamriel calendar to pick from, and then pick 12 of our featured images to use for the months. You could keep it generic by leaving off the weekdays and just starting each on the first, or you could use next years dates to make it more usable. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 18:32, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
Here is a collection of community comments I got on this:
  • I like the idea of coins
  • Ooh, what a really kind idea. I like the sound of coins too.
  • I like coins
  • Comission for a map would be really cool (I am still sad I didn't get one last time :frowning: )
  • Illustrations and maps are neat
  • Charity one is the best one
  • I like the idea of posters, maps and figurines myself
  • Coins or UESP merchandise. Seriously. I would LOVE a shirt with the UESP logo on it
  • I also like the idea of coins
  • I vote for shirts for the best idea now
  • Maps are pretty gosh darn cool. You can put them on your wall and stuff. Coins are metal. It is harder to put them on walls. If this is a contest of wall-put-ability, I think maps win.
  • I think artwork that feels like in-game product would be neat. Think a traveler's sketchbook with ink illustrations of creatures and whatnot
  • Yeah kinda want one of those maps but maybe of all of Tamriel
  • You know those life sized cardboard cut outs of LotR characters. Lets get those for Shadowscales. Scare the shit out of you whenever you enter your room and there is a shadow of an Argonian standing in the corner.
  • 3D Printing in-game models sounds awesome!
  • I still like maps. Posters of iconic Vistas are cool too.
  • As for charity. You go through TES able to kill the wildlife knowing that another will spawn... And another... And another... AND A-BLOODY-NOTHER!! Anyway, this isn't the case for the real world. Help give species a chance to up their spawn chances. As someone studying the animal sciences, I'd say the Durrell Wildlife Conservation Trust, as they're responsible for saving more species than any other organisation and training people in doing likewise.
  • i think a picture of all the main races with a chunk of the province they're from behind them could make for a cool poster
  • I would enjoy having an actual leather bound copy of an Elder Scrolls book. I may have to make one some day.
  • like the idea of a figurine, Pelinal Whitestrake maybe?
  • Coins and/or other in-universe memorabilia gets my vote
  • I would adore some Septims.
  • i wanted a big ass tamriel map for my wall last year, and i didnt got one. i even wanted to buy something like this but... no luck. maybe this year i can. soooo.. i will go with the map thing. Some septims would be nice too, tho.
--AKB Talk Cont Mail 20:04, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
I like the idea of UESP-branded wearables or coffee mugs. Wearables do have the issue of sizing and such that have to be accounted for, where mugs are fairly universal, so there's that to consider if you go for merchandise. Robin Hood  (talk) 22:20, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
  • I love and adore the idea of coins. The various coins which Bethesda and/or ZOS have produced to promote the various games are now collectors' items. I think we should avoid maps, because we Did That Last Year. The UESP Discord logo would look great on one side of a coin, with... I dunno, the head of Martin Septim on the back :P (Or Hermaeus-Mora, as the Guardian of Knowledge?) Can you also get writing along the edge? If so, UNOFFICIAL ELDER SCROLLS PAGES 2017 should go there :)
  • I would also support the idea of UESP merchandise, but I think this should be for us to purchase ourselves, e.g. through Spreadshirt. This would not make any money for the UESP, but would at least break even. In this way, we could get them in custom colours, with our UESP affiliation on. e.g. "UESP Wiki Admin" / "UESP Wiki Editor" / "UESP Forums Moderator" / "UESP Discord Admin" / "UESP Guildmaster" / "UESP Guild Officer" / "UESP Guild Member", etc. People with multiple affiliations could either position all of the text using Spreadshirt's layout tool, or pick their favourite one.
  • Mugs are also great, but would be super-expensive to post, even within Canada. Again, I think they should be for users to purchase themselves. baratron (talk) 08:19, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Minor Issue (Resolved)[edit]

As Alarra recently corrected here, there as a circumstance whereby they were attributed as being the author of Message to Jena. (See: here). The problem was that not only was it wrong, its wrong nowhere else. Except right here. Timeoin (talk) 07:59, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

An addendum, for clarity: there is little chance this was accidental. this was the date their page was created. The Maulborn Cultist, was not created until a year after. Timeoin (talk) 08:18, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
While it's likely that you're correct, this particular instance seems trivial. A note will, after all, be pretty much the same from one wiki to the next. It isn't like they copied an entire dungeon walkthrough wholesale, or used our images or what have you, at least not in this instance. For more significant instances, I believe Dave said he prefers to handle these issues himself, so I'd suggest e-mailing him or flagging him down on Discord. That policy may be out of date, though. If he refers you back to us, Atvelonis and I have spoken on occasion, so I'm happy to bring any concerns up with him if needed. Robin Hood  (talk) 09:03, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
Just to clarify Timeoin... you're complaining that Wikia copied the links of a UESP book page page on their own site's book page... back in 2015 (when you were still an admin over there and could have checked the page for plagiarism before you edited it).
Is this really of note for the AN board? Exactly what are you looking to achieve?
What I find odd is that when we were both admins on Wikia, you very rarely spoke up about the vast amounts of actual UESP plagiarism that was taking place there. I don't recall you ever reverting UESP content. It was left to the other admins to deal with. So why is it a concern now? You speak to Atvelonis on Discord, would it not make more sense to take it up with him?
I don't wish to start any drama, but you're clearly bitter about what happened to you over there. Which is why you're taking any opportunity get some sort of revenge. Be it the constant badmouthing, anonymous editing over there or threads like this. Its not healthy. Take it from someone who was in the same boat, but in a much worse position than you was - you need to move on. --Jimeee (talk) 09:07, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
Since I keeping getting pinged on Discord, here are my thoughts on the matter. Even if the UESP was the source of the mistake on Wikia, which is possible, I don't think that arguing over such a minuscule point is worth anyone's time. As others have stated above, it's just a link, and a pretty old one too. My inclination here would be to assume good faith: it's entirely possible that same authorial assumption was made independently by users on both sites. Users add plagiarized UESP content to Wikia all the time, and I make an effort to catch this early on, especially when it comes to images. If you find something that is genuinely worth reporting, by all means inform me of it, but I don't think that being this pedantic helps anyone. —Atvelonis (talk) 16:07, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
I agree with Jimeeee. I apologise wholeheartedly. Also - I should not have pinged you, Atvelonis, and will not do so again. So ... yeah, please consider this closed? (Changed the header too - since that helps noone) Timeoin (talk) 17:09, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Move Request[edit]

Hello. Could an admin please move Captain Velyna to Captain Velya? Velya is the proper in-game name. (Evidence: ESO Log Data). Timeoin (talk) 06:53, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Could someone please also move ON:Domihaus (set) to Domihaus? They are the same page. Thanks :) Timeoin (talk) 10:52, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
I've merged Timeoin's second request because I want to make a general request that an admin start merging and deleting some pages that have been marked so. These actions can only be done by an admin, and there are a lot of duplicate pages sitting idle, as well as merge requests that haven't been done yet. Not doing these things is starting to cause a serious backlog of follow up actions, links to the wrong duplicate page appearing, as well as the confusion that is given by having empty pages being filled in when the information already exists elsewhere. There are dozens more pages I have identified as needing deleted, and have put off marking them so as to make it easier for an admin to do each page properly without knowing there are over 100 more pages marked for deletion (which there are). Category:Marked for Deletion, Category:To Be Merged. PS A particular bugbear on merges for me is the Desolate Mine place and quest, marked for renaming by Legoless more than 2 years ago with no logical or given objection to it happening, yet no action taken. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 00:11, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
Bugbear slain. I started on the pages marked for deletion the other day, but that'll definitely take some time. Robin Hood  (talk) 18:47, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Username Usurping[edit]

There was an account called "Zenith" made in 2009, with no contributions, and I was wondering whether I could usurp that username for a UESP account. — Unsigned comment by 76.66.92.8 (talk) at 00:58 on 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Also worth noting is that this request was originally made on our Discord channel, where this user is already known as Zenith to the majority of the people on the server. KitkatTalkContribEmail 00:58, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
I confirmed that the user hasn't logged in since 2009 and has no edit history, so I've gone ahead and renamed them. You may now create an account as Zenith. Robin Hood  (talk) 02:15, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

ESO Clockwork City (Update 16)[edit]

Another ESO DLC is out today and so the usual round of updates:

  • uespLog -- Updated to v1.31! (1.31 has bug fix for guild store purchase bug)
  • Achievements --Updated! (new icons still need to be uploaded)
  • Skills -- Updated!
  • Skill Coeffients -- Done (and checked)
  • Champion Points -- Updated!
  • Icons -- Updated!
  • Files -- Uploaded!
  • Books -- Done! (book text uploaded and updated in database)
  • Maps -- Done! (4 maps updated, still working on adding all locations)
  • API -- Done!
  • Items -- Done!

-- Daveh (talk) 15:43, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Translating Team for Italy[edit]

My friends and me would love to start translating UESP in italian. We're good at english and we can write in HTML. We're 5 or 6 at the moment, but we can recruit more people with our skills. I'm opening this discussion for everyone who's willing to take part in our project. Undriel (talk) 00:51, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Count on me! Daffodill (talk) 01:00, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
I'd be happy to work on the italian translation LadyLigeia (talk) 01:04, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
It sounds interesting Fenerevar (talk) 10:58, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
I'm in. CurseMyName (talk) 11:35, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

() There are no official steps to creating a translation project (the Portuguese one was a test) but unless there are any objections from admins I'll set it up in a few days once I've done most of the ESO updates from the latest DLC. Is there one person who is willing/able to take the lead/admin position for the project? -- Daveh (talk) 14:45, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you a lot. If the translation project will be approved I'll gladly take the admin position LadyLigeia (talk) 10:52, 31 October 2017 (UTC)LadyLigeia

() The Italian UESPWiki has been setup at it.uesp.net...hopefully you can forgive the delay as I was focussed on some ESO work backlog last week. I've imported the MediaWiki and Template namespaces but nothing else at the moment. If you run into any issues on the new site let me know here or poke me at dave@uesp.net. -- Daveh (talk) 20:15, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Request for revocation of account rights.[edit]

After thinking over my ultimate place in the universe for a long, hard while, I've decided that this evening I'm ready to return to the UESPWiki and work on some of Jeancey's Morrowind Overhaul Project and give some love to my favorite game. I've also decided to do it without the pressure that I've always felt by being an active and regular member of staff, and I want to get back to just editing and enjoying myself.

After many long months of thinking about it on a self-imposed break, I've decided that I want to voluntarily relinquish all elevated user rights currently on my account, including my patroller rights, blocker rights, and any others that may exist that I've forgotten exist.

I am aware that, should I want them, I'll have to be renominated and be put up to a community vote again, but for the foreseeable future, I'm not at all interested in anything to do with them and I ask that an administrator handle this request at their first convenient moment, in accordance with my wishes.

Many thanks, -damon  talkcontribs 18:14, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Given that Damon has already qualified as a Patroller, I'd suggest that in conjunction with this request, we grant him autopatrolled status. Robin Hood  (talk) 19:02, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
I've removed your Patroller and Blocker rights, Damon. I would support autopatrolled status if someone wants to make the nomination. —Legoless (talk) 14:38, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
I'll go ahead and do that, if Damon doesn't object. Zul do onikaanLaan tinvaak 22:48, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

2018 Fan Gift[edit]

Christmas and the new year is quickly coming and I've been thinking about what to do for the UESP fan gift this year. I like the suggestion of a calendar made in the previous gift suggestion topic and am leaning strongly in that direction.

  • 2018 Year Calender
  • Can use Tamriel names for months and weekdays (or perhaps in addition to real names?)
  • Include both real and Tamriel holidays (make it obvious which is which?)
  • Artwork Could Be:
  • Fan Created
  • Screenshots
  • Composite (made up of Bethesda copyrighted images and others)
I'd rather stay away from using Bethesda original artwork to avoid the legal issues and would prefer the first 2 if we had the option.

Assuming people think this is a good idea I'd like to get started on choosing the 13 pieces of artwork for the calendar (12 months + title page) and the calendar details. Note that assuming we do a 10x17" wall calendar the artwork would have to be of reasonable size/quality.

Time flies so if we could decide on everything by the end of November that would permit printing by the start of December and hopefully shipping before Christmas. -- Daveh (talk) 19:08, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

What if the images were a selection of the UESP's Featured Images, where possible? We can throw together a quick vote of which ones look cooler for any particular month or season to match the feel of that time. Or move on to not-FI images if needed. Throw something like this in for October and Halloween, for instance? Also, I would want the calendar to be completely Tamrielic, no Earthly times on it! -damon  talkcontribs 04:36, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Yes, that's a good idea. I assume most (all?) of the Featured Images are screenshots correct? -- Daveh (talk) 16:30, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Another quick thought...it may be a good idea to have several images per month composited together, especially if some of them are lower resolution. For example, we could group 3/4/5 Halloween related images for the month of October. So more options for each month would be a good thing. -- Daveh (talk) 18:34, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

() I've gone through the FI's and picked some that I think a more identifiable with the seasons/events. This is not a comprehensive list, a lot of the pure NPC/creature ones I left out as they are focused on that subject alone.

Winter 5: Frost Atronach being summoned, snow in a cave, snow on a house, ice wraith with the moon over snowy mountains, dragons fighting on a snowy mountain

Spring 10: sunrise over a lake, Solitude on a nice day, sunny day (trees look autumny though), sunny and cloudy day, the misty mountains, a giant throwing a tantrum near some Orcs, colourful countryside, bright day over a lake, misty day over a lake, vivid trolls

Easter, only 1: the anti-Easter message (bears eat sheep)

Summer 5: the dust near Ghostfence, stone giant taking a nap, a sunny river, a fish with big teeth on a sunny day, A sunny day over Nchuleftingth

Autumn 5: windmill with moons between spokes, vampires with the aurora borealis, bandits with the aurora borealis and a moon, Azura's statue with the aurora borealis, Peryite's statue at night

Halloween 4: some eerie magical swirls, Sithis, werewolf with both moons, ash spawn crawling out of the ground in a tomb

A lot of the spring/summer ones could be one or the other. February could use a winter or a springy one. Halloween is the only event that has decent representation as the games lend themselves well to that "scary" theme. A Christmas or Easter one might need to be sourced from our other images. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 20:01, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

2018 Calender Month Test 1.jpg
Great! Another thought of image materials are the various high-quality screenshots that people take of Skyrim and ESO with various mods/graphical enhancements. These would require the permission of the screenshot owner. I'll see if I can track down some good ones and get permission.
I've made a very quick/initial drawing of a calendar page as I envisioned it. It is still very rough but feedback is wanted sooner rather than later. -- Daveh (talk) 16:56, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
That looks pretty good. I could advertise it on social media and add "Submit high quality screenshots to us to use in the calendar" to possibly get some nice ones sent to us. If we were to say, offer anyone we used an image from a copy of the calendar, we could probably get a few. Would you be okay with that? --AKB Talk Cont Mail 17:32, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
I thought the license for screenshots gave the UESP the copyright, "the copyright for this particular composition is held by UESP", while giving Bethesda copyright on the components. Like any edit, images have always been treated as belonging to the wiki once uploaded, for us to use as and where we think suitable. Plus, even for Skyrim, a lot of image takers are no longer active. AKB's proposal seems good, at most you'd be giving out 12 images to non-UESP people, and all of them could be evaluated for use on the wiki itself even if they fail to get used in the calendar. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 18:49, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
re: AKB's suggestion of getting screenshots from fans, I was thinking the same thing so go ahead and see what people can send us. Regarding the SS permission I was referring to images found outside of the UESP. -- Daveh (talk) 20:58, 6 November 2017 (UTC)


Another more refined sample:
2018 Calendar Sample 3.png
  • Tried to give it a more lore/medieval look with parchment background and imperfect grid lines.
  • Added site logo,
  • Originally I was thinking of having text box with the some text from the UESP's relevant article. Unsure if that is too much or better to go with just a title/page link or perhaps nothing at all.
Keep the feedback, ideas, and more pictures coming! -- Daveh (talk) 21:46, 8 November 2017 (UTC)



Dave, I like the parchment background with UESP logo, but with the white squares. I'd mock one up if I was on my Mac (which has Photoshop), but all I have on this PC is Paint. My reasoning is that I love the UESP "branding", however a lot of people need to write on their calendars and this is easier to do with a white background. Also, the imperfect grid lines will make a lot of us twitch! Thus I feel that parchment background with UESP logo but a white calendar grid section is the best compromise. I would like a title to each picture - including which game it is from - but I don't feel we need a huge box explaining what it is, let alone a wiki URL which is difficult to type. If the wiki's search function is working properly, people will be able to look up "Brelyna Maryon" and "Frost Atronach" easily enough :) baratron (talk) 22:50, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
A couple more image suggestions:
Spring: Skyrim birds, Shrine of Morwha (mother goddess)
Autumn: Skingrad, Ayleid ruins
Winter: Coldharbour
Legoless (talk) 14:12, 11 November 2017 (UTC)


A more refined draft with some of the suggestions implemented.
UESP Fan Gift 2018 - Month Test 4.jpg
Barring any suggestions that require large changes I'd like to finalize the overall design and move to choosing the month images. There is also the question of exactly what holidays to include:
  • All ES lore holidays
  • Only Major ES lore holidays
  • Real world American/Canadian holidays
  • Other real world holidays
-- Daveh (talk) 14:57, 15 November 2017 (UTC)


I'm against the inclusion of real-world holidays, since we don't knowfrom which country the winners will be. I like the style, however -- SarthesArai Talk 20:49, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

() I agree with Sarthes to exclude real world holidays. I still like a small lore explanation on the calender like in the second mock-up, but maybe that will distact too much from the image. --Ilaro (talk) 21:46, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Paarthurnax[edit]

The Blades demand for the removal of Skyrim:Paarthurnax (dragon) has seen the page blanked 6 times since last December, with only one constructive edit in that time. I think it needs some additional protection for a while. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 13:40, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Agreed. Delphine is such a tryhard. --Jimeee (talk) 13:43, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
I've semi-protected it for a year, and we'll see how it fares after that. Robin Hood  (talk) 18:46, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
Good god I can't believe people are still butthurt over this. I remember arguing with people on the official lore board about it back when Skyrim came out. Can you at least block anonymous edits to the page? --MarginWalker (talk) 22:54, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
That was just a joke, there's no way to guess what reason the page was blanked for as none was given. Semi-protection, which the page now has, does exactly that, as well as blocking brand new accounts. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 23:04, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
Some people were seriously apoplectic about the Blades/Paarthurnax thing, certainly enough to vandalize a wiki. I just figured they'd found something else to be mad about by now. --MarginWalker (talk) 23:40, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Inappropriate Username[edit]

Wanted to bring to the attention of Admins an inappropriate username creation. Special:Log/newusers link for easier viewing. User name begins with "Tom". Timeoin (talk) 05:52, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Done, thanks. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 07:04, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, didnt wan't to say their name. Timeoin (talk)

Legends Card Data and Popup[edit]

People asked for this a while ago and I'm finally getting to working on it. This is just the first step of many so if you have suggestions/ideas on the existing implementation or where it goes from here don't hesitate to say something.

  • List of cards can be seen at Special:LegendsCardData. Hover over the card name for the popup and click the name for card details.
  • Linking to a specific card can be done using the custom <legendscard card='Adoring Fan'>Card Popup</legendscard> tag which looks like: Card Popup.
  • Card data has been initially populated with the saved MetaTemplate data on each card page and is not yet complete.
  • Do we need a "missing card" image or is it fine to just display nothing?
  • Are the card popup images a good size? I've resized them from the wiki images to load faster.
  • An add/edit card data feature is planned in order to let editors manage updating existing card data and adding new ones.
  • Similarly, a card search feature is planned.
  • A deck builder is possible but is a much larger piece of work to be considered in the farther future as time permits.

If you notice anything broken or not working as you think it should let me know as well...I haven't done much cross browser/platform testing yet. -- Daveh (talk) 15:59, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Oooh, this looks really nice Daveh! The size of the pop-up images are quite good, they aren't much different in-game. I am not sure if a "missing card" image is necessary. I think that the benefits are that it will make us sure the pop-up is not broken and it might give us some incentive to find the missing images faster. All in all, it looks great! --Ilaro (talk) 18:19, 16 November 2017 (UTC)