Skyrim talk:Easter Eggs/Archive 18

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"Legend of Zelda reference"

The so called reference is far too vague. There is literally no nuance to it. The very subject matter is completely different. Is Farkas a monster in a dank cave promising money if you keep it a secret to everybody. Really all of the references in Zelda to that event has to do with someone hiding from something or someone.

• Moblin: an oddly peaceful monster found in a cave, who gives the player 100 rupees to hide the fact that he is hiding.
• A former thief who doesn't want is secret to be outed.
• Kafei who doesn't people to know about his curse.
• Yerbal a kikwi who doesn't want Farore to eat him for telling Link about Farore's Flame.
• Thief Girl who doesn't want to be found in her cave. She gives Link a piece of heart reminding to keep it a secret.(this is the closest one to the original event and I'm convinced this is the only intentional reference).

Source

Could we please remove it. It feels like someone was desperately grasping at straws for a reference.

ChildofKyne (talk) 16:55, 4 September 2014 (GMT)

The scope of the reference is not the situation, the reference is the specific line "it's a secret to everybody." That line is absolutely uniquely associated with Zelda due to the spotty localization job in the first game. It's an awkward phrase that no native English-speaker would come up with, so there's no way it appears in Skyrim by coincidence. -- Hargrimm^(T) 17:35, 4 September 2014 (GMT)

It's awkward but it isn't incorrect. Like I said it's way too vague. ChildofKyne (talk) 17:48, 4 September 2014 (GMT)

Honestly, I could see it as either way. You don't hear that phrase anywhere other than Zelda, but even then it wasn't a particularly memorable or famous line from the game, certainly not the STOP RIGHT THERE, CRIMINAL SCUM of Zelda. It is a bit vague, but the line itself is rare enough that it's not unreasonable to infer a reference. I guess I'm pretty ambivalent about its inclusion on the page. Zul se onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 22:33, 4 September 2014 (GMT)

A quick Google search of "It's a secret to everybody" overwhelmingly indicates that the gaming community considers it an iconic phrase for Zelda. --Xyzzy ^Talk 06:44, 5 September 2014 (GMT)

There are a few well-known lines from that game. "Dodongo dislikes smoke" and "It's dangerous to go alone, take this" are both more iconic than that one. That line may be associated with the game, but it's not the one most people think of. Zul se onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 10:53, 5 September 2014 (GMT)

The "it's a secret" line is absolutely among the very most iconic lines from that first game. Just for example, that line gets 739,000 Google results, while "Dodongo dislikes smoke" gets 69,800. I really don't think there's any room for doubt that this is a clear reference. -- Hargrimm^(T) 12:23, 5 September 2014 (GMT)

(←) For what it's worth, I've never played Zelda (bad gamer!) and I know "It's a secret to everybody" is a line from LoZ. •WoahBro^►talk 12:40, 5 September 2014 (GMT)

If it is decided that this is a reference, I think we need more context, because I feel the "reference" was incredibly vague and badly done. ChildofKyne (talk) 15:55, 5 September 2014 (GMT)

I don't see a need to expand on what's currently written in the article. The phrase is the reference; that's it. There is nothing else to include, IMO. --Xyzzy ^Talk 20:40, 5 September 2014 (GMT)

Judging cultural impact by the number of Google results is hardly a conclusive method of testing, but like I said, I have no strong opinions either way. Zul se onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 00:57, 6 September 2014 (GMT)

Doctor Who Easter Egg?

The lexicon is a (possible?) reference to the that little big place known as thePandorica in that big universe of Doctor Who which has a just-about-the-same-looking cube-shaped object in. Possible Easter egg? I could add it with little issue on the fact it might not fully be considered an "Easter egg" because it is a qualitative reference. If not an "Easter egg" then please state why I can't add it. Just for clarification purposes. DG^#:) 20:43, 3 November 2014 (GMT)

Best reason not to add it is that any little, or indeed relatively big box in any film, tv series, books, cartoon or whatever that looks a little bit like the Lexicon can be claimed as an inspiration or reference just as well. And, no, it does not look much like it either, even if we do not take the mismatch in size into consideration. —MortenOSlash (talk) 21:25, 3 November 2014 (GMT)

I highly doubt it. I could claim it's a reference to Hellraiser just based on the fact that it's a mystical looking cube. Without any overt indication that Bethsoft had Dr. Who in mind when they designed it, there's no reason to include this. Zul se onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 01:47, 4 November 2014 (GMT)

braveheart reference stephen

In the movie Braveheart the mad irishman Stephen make a comment to William Wallace that "The Lord can get me out of this mess but he's pretty sure your fucked'. In the Dawnguard dlc a member of the Dawnguard by the name of Florentius Baenius makes a comment saying "Arkay has been watching over me for years now. He says he's not sure about you though". I am pretty sure this is an easter egg. — Unsigned comment by Crimsonss1211 (talk • contribs) at 15:01 on 18 November 2014

Seems too unspecific to me. -- SarthesArai ^Talk 16:09, 18 November 2014 (GMT)

Agreed, a vaguely-similar statement with different wording doesn't constitute a reference. Zul se onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 16:42, 18 November 2014 (GMT)

Dr. Who: Reapers (moved from Skyrim talk:Alduin)

Alduin is like the monsters in Dr. Who known as the Reapers: both are banished, capable of flight, can't be defeated and also have a resemblance to one another. Except the Reapers are more bat-like. DG^#:) 22:14, 23 November 2014 (GMT)

There's nothing to suggest that this is anything more than a coincidence. Zul se onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 19:35, 25 November 2014 (GMT)

Werewolf names in the Companions

The names Farkas, Vilkas and Kodlak are not accidental - Farkas means "wolf" in Hungarian, Vilkas in Lithuanian. The name Kodlak probably originated from "vukodlak" which is Serbian/Croatian word for "werewolf". Jelena (talk) 01:19, 5 January 2015 (GMT)

Yes, but this doesn't make them easter eggs. It's already noted on their pages anyway (which there's some guideline somewhere about etymology/translation being included/not included on pages, I really can't remember what it is). •WoahBro^►talk 01:28, 5 January 2015 (GMT)

Auschwitz memorial reference? - Seriously

In the Nordic ruin Shriekwind Bastion, NE of Falkreath, in a room filled with torture equipment, there is an alcove filled with a large collection of shoes and boots. This, in combination with the presence of the torture devices, bears a strong resemblance to the collection of shoes of the holocaust victims displayed at the Auschwitz museum in Poland. I wouldn't know if it's a deliberate reference. (the shoes were taken from the gas chamber victims and since there were so many, the guards didn't know what to do with them) 82.157.58.172 21:37, 25 January 2015 (GMT)

This seems like a bit of a stretch to me. Torture devices are common in dungeons, and there are several other dungeons in the game with collections of clothing (the vampire lair for that one Morthal quest come to mind), presumably from whatever victims were kept there, as many prisoners in the game don't have clothes on. Zul se onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 02:48, 26 January 2015 (GMT)

Odd Couple reference?

In Shor's Stone, housemates Odfel and Grogmar gro-Burzag may be a reference to The Odd Couple. (1965 Neil Simon stage play, 1968 movie starring Jack Lemmon and Walter Matthau, 1970-75 TV sitcom with Tony Randall and Jack Klugman.)

The main plot of The Odd Couple centers on two mismatched housemates, an uptight neat freak and a slob. In Skyrim, there's plenty of dialogue which proves the relationship between Odfel and Grogmar is the same as between the protags in The Odd Couple. And the name Odfel seems to be more than just coincidence in this situation. Evil-i (talk) 22:18, 14 February 2015 (GMT)

While there are some superficial similarities, and the "Odfel" name is definitely interesting, I'm not entirely sold yet. I'm not overly familiar with the play/film in question, but are there any further similarities? Is there any dialogue in the play about a wager between the two roommates to see who can get the most work done? Or anything else that can conclusively connect the two? A mismatched pair of roommates has become pretty commonplace in fiction, even if The Odd Couple was one of the first to do it. Zul se onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 14:31, 15 February 2015 (GMT)

Nose to the Grindstone

At Lost Valley Redoubt there is a dead Nord on a table with a grindstone next to it, with his his head hanging over the edge, and large nose touching the grindstone. Dq82 (talk) 00:50, 21 February 2015 (GMT)

Um, it sounds like it could be something, but it's best for other people to try and find it, get a second opinion, and possibly take a screenshot for further discussion. It could be a random body type or race that spawns there, or it could just not be in the position you saw it in. •WoahBro^►talk 00:56, 21 February 2015 (GMT)

Take the Bard's leap, jump down the edge to where the boulder trap is, turn right a little, there is a table and a grindstone. It's a generic Nord in a forsworn camp. Verification would be appreciated.Dq82 (talk) 06:41, 21 February 2015 (GMT)

It's just a commonly-found corpse (first one on this list). —Legoless (talk) 14:45, 21 February 2015 (GMT)

I took a picture of the Nord in question. Going by the bloodstains around the Grindstone, the scenario I'm envisioning is that the Forsworn (who are known to be pretty brutal) killed this guy by running his face into a grindstone. In that sense he was killed with his "nose to the grindstone". It's an interesting idea, but I don't know if it's worth mentioning here. Zul do onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 14:52, 21 February 2015 (GMT)

If it's not, then it's not. I'll let someone who knows more than I do figure it out.Dq82 (talk) 16:21, 21 February 2015 (GMT)

Meeko the Dog and Pocahontas' Raccoon.

Meeko, the dog and possible follower, shares his name with the Raccon companion of Pocahontas in the Disney film. Given the name is basically unique to the two (Theres a doctor and a starwars EU character with the same name), and both are animal companions, is it likely this is a direct reference? --101.167.27.19 09:58, 2 March 2015 (GMT)

Two animals with similar names isn't a lot to go on. Without some further indication that the game developers specifically had Pocahontas in mind when making this character, I'm inclined to call it a coincidence. Zul do onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 11:44, 2 March 2015 (GMT)

Lord of the Rings Easter Egg

The Falkreath Steward is high elf who is called Nenya. This is also the name of the High Elven ring of power possessed by Galadriel in The Fellowship of the Ring. This seems to be a pretty obvious easter egg, as the name is exactly the same, and both characters in question are high elves. — Unsigned comment by 160.36.202.18 (talk) at 16:28 on 7 April 2015

But, Nenya in LOTR isn't a character... It's an object. And, I don't feel like the name on its own is a reference. is there more to this? -damon  ^{talk ♥ contribs} 16:38, 7 April 2015 (GMT)

Romeo and Juliet Reference (Separate from one mentioned already)

This easter egg is part of the Dragonborn DLC, in the quest known as "The Final Descent". In one of the corridors after opening the door with the Bloodskal Blade, you can find the dead bodies of a young male and female lying among a wall of tombs. The male is an Imperial and the female is a High Elf. The woman is partially laying on the male, appearing to have died after him, possibly by suicide. Given the two races' considerable conflict, this could possibly be a subtle reference to the work of William Shakespeare. — Unsigned comment by 172.3.150.60 (talk) at 21:17 on 25 May 2015 (GMT)

Dragonborn Easter Eggs go here. -damon  ^{talk ♥ contribs} 21:21, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

A reference either to Shakespeare or to William Faulkner

As I observed not only easter eggs, but references to culture can be also put here. So here's one: If you ask a Stormcloak Warrior (I don't exactly remember who, - most likely Ralof - but if you agree that this Easter Egg can be placed here then I will look it up.) about their cause he will say the following: "The sound of our fury is like a storm about break on the heads of our enemies." I believe that it can be either a reference to to the famous monologue of Macbeth after the death of Lady Macbeth. (" It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury Signifying nothing.") Or a reference to William Faulkner's novel The Sound and the Fury. — Unsigned comment by 82.131.221.106 (talk) at 18:09 on 27 May 2015 (GMT)

"The sound of our fury is a storm about to break on the heads of our enemies." and "...it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." The Stormcloak line can be spoken by any male commanding officer of a Stormcloak camp (except Galmar). I struggle to see how they are even similar, nevermind one being a reference to the other. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 18:42, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Macbeth's line is talking about the futility of life, not killing enemies. Really don't see how that Faulkner book has anything to do with the dialogue either, aside from the name. —Legoless (talk) 19:44, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Rune of the Thieves' Guild a reference to Lone Starr from Spaceballs?

Rune was found as a small child with nothing but a stone inscribed with undecipherable runes in his pocket, hence, his name. He has brought the stone everywhere and no one he takes it to in Skyrim is able to translate it. Lone Starr was left at a monastery with a necklace covered in undecipherable characters/runes and no one he takes it to in the galaxy is able to translate it. The necklace turns out to be a birth certificate naming Lone Starr a prince; could Rune be a lost prince as well? Johnnypebs (talk) 18:33, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Highly unlikely. An orphan being found with no clues to their identity except a mysterious keepsake isn't unique to Spaceballs. Zul do onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 20:40, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Another D&D Reference?

I saw this on the Skyrim Memes page on Facebook, and thought that this was quite interesting. Not being a D&D player myself, I can't confirm the eggy-ness of this. Anyone else care to comment?

https://www.facebook.com/911899805535275/photos/a.911905882201334.1073741828.911899805535275/949331061792149/?type=1&theater

Eldubya (talk) 18:28, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

This was proposed and rejected a while back, though I believe in that case the rejection was largely due to the lack of images provided for comparison. I can definitely see the similarities in that image, so I would be fine with including it as long as we can get a comparison image of our own to go on the article. Zul do onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 09:46, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

I don't know the name of the book. I'll try to find a name and provide an image.

Eldubya (talk) 10:24, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Found it - it's the Official Advanced Dungeons & Dragons Player's Handbook. It was written by Gary Gygax, one of the original creators of DnD, so it's of some significance. Here's a better picture of the statue in question. They are very similar, and I'm personally inclined to say it's a direct reference, even if there are some minor differences. • JA^T 17:37, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

I have no problem with including this as an easter egg. Jeancey (talk) 18:03, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

The Merchant of Venice (Not quite an Easter Egg but an Inspiration)

The Forsworn Briarheart of the reach seem to be a reference to Antonio after Act IV with an alternate ending where Shylock cuts out his heart and flesh around making a hole, it is possible that the Bethesda workers thought of the Briarhearts after reading The Merchant of Venice. Maybe one of them came up with the idea that if Portia had not arrived and Antonio's heart was cut out, it could be replaced by another object. Another reference are the dark elves! In Windhelm, they live in an separate area and in the entire game, they are prejudiced and hated for worshiping their ancestors and the daedra. Seriously? Did no one see that, a glimpse of Jews is found in the dunmer. — Unsigned comment by 27.49.32.80 (talk) at 11:55 on 5 August 2015 (GMT)

Many works of fiction explore issues of racism, and there have never been any particularly obvious parallels between the Dunmer and Jews in the Elder Scrolls series, so I don't think the elves in the Gray Quarter were written with a particular real-world group in mind. As for the other proposal, there's no solid connection between the play and the briarheart, so I don't think it belongs on the page either. Zul do onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 14:41, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Ambarys: "Fine, then. I guess some Dunmer are content to be their pets."

Rolff: "You come here where you're not wanted, you eat our food, you pollute our city with your stink and you refuse to help the Stormcloaks."

Sometimes a Dunmer will ask you whether you hate them or not, if you play as a dunmer, sometimes nords will say that you don't belong in Skyrim. This racism was why I supported the imperials against racist stormcloaks. In the Merchant of Venice, we can find out that Shylock is prejudiced.

SHYLOCK: To bait fish withal. If it will feed nothing else, it will feed my revenge. He hath disgraced me and hindered me half a million, laughed at my losses, mocked at my gains, scorned my nation, thwarted my bargains, cooled my friends, heated mine enemies—and what’s his reason? I am a Jew. Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? Fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that. If a Jew wrong a Christian, what is his humility? Revenge. If a Christian wrong a Jew, what should his sufferance be by Christian example? Why, revenge. The villainy you teach me I will execute—and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. — Unsigned comment by 27.49.32.28 (talk) at 12:26 on 6 August 2015 (UTC)

I am sure you think us all wrong when we do not conclude like you, but this generic racism referred in several Elder Scolls games among several of the Tamriel races is no more reference to "The Merchant of Venice" than it is reference to the former apartheid regime of South Africa or any other act of or description of racism. —MortenOSlash (talk) 15:25, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Further, the Dunmer are not a repressed minority but a long-hated rival nation. The Grey Quarter ghetto is literally the only semblance to Shakespeare's portrayal of Venetian Jewry, and it's nothing more than a trope. The suggestion that Briarhearts bear any relation to Shylock's pound of flesh is also entirely without merit. —Legoless (talk) 19:01, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Definitely a Lord of the Rings reference

The City of Whiterun is definitely based upon Edoras..... I don't think there is need to say anything else— Unsigned comment by 27.49.32.53 (talk) at 15:55 on 14 August 2015‎

This has been discussed multiple times before and each time concluded that there while there are vague similarities, they aren't strong enough to denote a connection between the two. •WoahBro^►talk 16:27, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

What Do You Call It?

Jawanan, the fletcher in Solitude, tells the PC how much he wants to travel and see the world filled with its wonders. At one point he says, "I hear there is a city, Windhelm, that is nearly covered white with ... what do you call it? ... ah yeah, snow." I'm seeing a red-headed mermaid who, besides wishing to be human, wants to see the world and its wonders ... "what do you call them? ... feet!" Under da sea. The connection may be tenuous at best, but it's absolutely the first thing I thought of when I chatted up Jawanan. FairEmma (talk) 00:28, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't see how that's a strong enough coincidence to indicate an easter egg. •WoahBro^►talk 04:25, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

I think it's a coincidence as well. Zul do onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 19:41, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

As I wrote in my concluding sentence, "tenuous at best." But it gave me a reminiscent smile all the same, and I immediately started singing my way to the fridge for some what-do-you-call-it? ;) FairEmma (talk) 02:18, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Underworld Reference

The werewolves in Skyrim are less like 'wolves' and more like 'Lycans' from the underworld movies. Both walk on two legs, prefer to attack by claws and their skin is too much alike. — Unsigned comment by 27.49.32.47 (talk) at 12:13 on 1 September 2015 (UTC)

I fail to see what makes the Underworld universe so special compared to a lot of other werewolf depictions. A simple picture search on Google gives pages of non-Underworld werewolves just as similar to the Skyrim werewolves. —MortenOSlash (talk) 16:17, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. Zul do onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 20:30, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

all right!!!! but have you seen any movie with a closer reference? MOVIE???? — Unsigned comment by 27.49.32.59 (talk) at 10:13 on 11 September 2015

Even if Underworld is the movie whose werewolfes reseble skyrim's ones best, there's nothing suggesting that the programmers had that specific movie in mind as they created the werewolf model, rather than a generic multi-fiction inspired werewolf trope. -- SarthesArai ^Talk 12:24, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Count of Monte Cristo (again)

I was reading through the easter eggs archive, and in archive 6 section 34 (here) I found an easter egg that seemed to be approved, but never made it onto the page. I would like to add it, but I want to make sure it's cleared through here before I do. So, any objections? ~~ MetaCthulhu (talk) 18:09, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

That passage is interesting, but I'm still not entirely sold on it. On the one hand, the reference to a thief opening the door using a skeleton key (which is referred to by the word "nightingale" for its "nocturnal" song) does seem to be a lot of coincidences in one place. On the other hand, it's stated in-game that the Nightingales took their name from one of Jagar Tharn's minions/aliases (a thief named "Nightingale", who was first mentioned in Daggerfall. If the Nightingales were intended to be a reference to something, why would Bethesda go out of their way to mention an established piece of lore as being the in-game explanation for the name? It's a tough call, but I think I'm leaning against inclusion. Zul do onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 19:11, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Music of Life/Black Door Easter Egg

My apologies if this has been submitted before (in my defense I did go through 17 pages of archive with the page search of "brotherhood"), but if it hasn't I think it should be considered.

The door to the Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary in the pine forest always asks the PC "What is the music of life?". Now the correct answer (and the one that gains you access) is "Silence, my brother", however, one of the other answers is (at least to me) humorous and insightful. The answer "Some kind of choir. With chanting" may at first, seem like a shallow, normal sort of gag, but it's (again, for your consideration) actually a deeper sort of humour. Think about this, before every single new character, before every single load of a character, and everytime you quit to the main menu, what do you hear? The Skyrim main theme: Some kind of choir. With chanting. It is the "Music of (their) life". --MetaCthulhu (talk) 23:53, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

If you're proposing that the question is a reference to how there's choral music on the menu screen, I have to disagree. The passwords for Dark Brotherhood sanctuaries always come in the form of a question, the answer to which is "(word), my brother." None of them are references to anything. Zul do onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 20:53, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

I believe MetaCthulhu. I really think this is an Easter egg. DRAGON GUARD^(TALK) 19:10, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

MetaCthulhu isn't proposing that the question itself is a reference, but that one of the dialogue options is. While referencing the main menu choir would definitely be some pretty funny meta-humour, I don't think we can safely arrive at that conclusion without any more info. If, perhaps, it mentioned a male choir and maybe a guy named Jeremy, then it might be a bit more obvious a reference. —Legoless (talk) 19:16, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

That may be true, but I think we could all agree that this is a reference without the creators breaking the fourth wall by mentioning Jeremy or a male choir. DRAGON GUARD^(TALK) 19:24, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

I mean, I can see how it would be a reference, but I don't see anything that makes it without a doubt a reference. •WoahBro^►talk 19:37, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

I don't believe this is a coincidence at all. When I heard the dialogue, it too reminded me of the main menu music; it does make sense. I think people would get a kick out of seeing this Easter egg documented on the site. DRAGON GUARD^(TALK) 19:49, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

I don't think it an easter egg at all. Without thinking of skyrim, what would you imagine "music of life" like? -- SarthesArai ^Talk 19:58, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

(←) If it was thrown in as a reference to the main menu music (an Easter egg), the most suitable game to supply that dialogue with would be Skyrim. I guess just about every Easter egg we have documented is open to interpretation. The creators had their idea of what they wanted it to be like (or maybe not, depending on whether it is intended to be an Easter egg). DRAGON GUARD^(TALK) 20:13, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

We have guidelines in place for what constitutes a clear reference (I think the term in this case would be more along the lines of "in-joke", but I don't think it's that either), and I don't think this qualifies. Zul do onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 15:25, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

As long as we don't make a habit of it, throwing in some light humour/a joke on the Dark Brotherhood article isn't going to harm the site, in my opinion. Let's keep humour to a minimum, and we won't have a long-running stream of in-jokes. Sound okay? DRAGON GUARD^(TALK) 16:21, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

DG, multiple people can't make sense of why this should be on the site. We simply don't see a strong enough connection for this to be relevant. Please don't turn this into another dragged out campaign to have things go your way, it's just not happening in this case. •WoahBro^►talk 17:22, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Please don't make this personal. It's an easter egg people (technically an in-game joke) there's no need for anybody to get worked up over this. If you guys don't see a strong enough connection that's fine, I probably only saw the connection because I was listening to the song of the dragonborn(the main menu music) at the same moment I talked to the door. If it's not up to par then it's not up to par, all's cool; I just thought it was a good chuckle. ---MetaCthulhu (talk) 18:02, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

WoahBro, I just think I have all I need to say this was an Easter egg (I'm not trying to turn this into "another dragged out campaign"). Those words about the choir and chanting are said by the player character, and they are Dragonborn (the chanting is also said when they absorb a dragon's soul), so I can't find any reason to doubt it. Does this help? DRAGON GUARD^(TALK) 18:50, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

(←) That's exactly what I (and probably everyone else) already understood--I meant to mention that in my original post. I'm just not convinced enough, there's nothing else besides that to support it and there isn't any kind of precedent, i.e. the Black Door in Oblivion doesn't have a choice referencing the Hero of Cyrodiil. Consensus is clearly not supporting this as an egg, it's time to move on. •WoahBro^►talk 01:58, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

I believe his point is not on that the viking choir sounds like a "music of life", but the fact that there is a dialogue option where the player character makes an out-of-the-blue reference to a chanting choir just like the one we hear everytime we turn on the game, when asked a weird question about music. It's obviously the incorrect answer so no one would ever select it, which makes it a great place to stick a joke in. I belive it is certainly intended to be a developer gag, though I'm not sure it counts as an "easter egg" since it's not hidden.--177.203.114.231 10:05, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

I know what it's about, I'm still not sure the answer is refering to skyrim's opening theme. If I had to imagine the music of life (outside of skyrim), I would also come up with "Some kind of choir. With chanting." So I think it's just a generic line. -- SarthesArai ^Talk 13:23, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Helgi's Ghost

If you stand next to Helgi's Ghost for a while before speaking to her, she will start humming a tune. The tune is "Moonlight Serenade", a popular song from 1939 written and performed by Glenn Miller.71.182.229.208 01:16, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Other people seem to think the tune she is humming is "Stardust". Though it was suggested then to take the discussion about it here, it was never moved here, so it is good you started it, as it is a great opportunity to have the discussion here now about exactly what she is humming. —MortenOSlash (talk) 05:47, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Actually, I am the same person who posted that bit about "Stardust". I knew she was humming a song from the 1930's, I assumed it was that one. After further research, I found that I was wrong. It turned out to be "Moonlight Serenade". Anyone will be able to confirm this by comparing the youtube of the song with Helgi's "performance"... 71.182.229.208 15:09, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Four hours of following children around in Skyrm later, the only one that hummed was Helgi. First I followed Sissel, then I want to the orphanage, then I over to Whiterun to watch Lucia and Braith. None of them hummed. The good news: Helgi humms early and often. The bad news: I have a tin ear; I think it's the same song, but I can't confirm. Lastly, I found the piece of dialogue (0x0006aea9) on the Skyrim game data page: http://cs.uesp.net/index.php?game=sr&formid=0x0006aea9. I don't have access to the CS right now, so somebody else will have to pick it up from there and see who all has the dialogue. — Unsigned comment by MetaCthulhu (talk • contribs) at 16:55 on 29 October 2015 (UTC)

According to the data, every NPC of the following voice types could humm: MaleDarkElf, MaleElfHaughty, MaleKhajiit, MaleArgonian, FemaleCondescending, FemaleElfHaughty, MaleOldKindly, MaleCoward, MaleOldGrumpy, FemaleOldKindly, FemaleOldGrumpy, FemaleCoward, FemaleShrill, FemaleArgonian, FemaleKhajiit, MaleChild, and FemaleChild. Each voice type would humm a different tune, though, and I wasn't able to reproduce any humming with a small test (removing both the random and the moving condition). Listening at the sound in the CK, I could see why the FemaleChild's humming may sound alike to one of those songs, but I think it's just a coincidental similarity as the tune is not exactly the same. -- SarthesArai ^Talk 18:43, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Populous: The Beginning reference

During the quest 'Unbound', when leaving Helgen Inn and running towards the Helgen Keep, Imperials can be seen shooting firebolts at Alduin. They are soldiers (warriors, not mages) and most of the time soldiers are not likely to use magic. All of these Imperials are dual-casting firebolts and none of them uses any other destruction spell. None of the soldiers uses a staff. I think this has to be a reference to the Fire Warriors in the 1998 game 'Populous: The Beginning' and thus to this game itself. — Unsigned comment by 82.171.190.49 (talk) at 12:55 on 3 December 2015 (GMT)

I've never seen the Imperial Soldiers casting firebolt spells, most of them are either running, dying, or shooting arrows. Either way, this seems like a shaky connection to me. Destruction magic and fireball spells are an established part of Elder Scrolls lore, as are the Imperial Battlemages, who would be perfectly capable of casting them. If there are indeed Imperials who can dual cast firebolts, is there anything else to suggest that this is referring specifically to Populous? Zul do onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 16:19, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Lemarchand's box / Lament Configuration from Hellraiser

There are a couple of boxes in Skyrim that could be a reference to Hellraiser. But the Dwemer Puzzle Cube looks exactly like the Lament Configuration from Hellraiser. Also, Lament Configuration is kind of a puzzle cube, created by a toy maker Lemarchand, so even this fits. — Unsigned comment by 178.19.210.158 (talk) at 15:11 on 18 December 2015 (GMT)

I believe this was brought up before (twice) and not accepted. [--] MetaCthulhu (talk) 15:38, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Chinese Tradition

In Skyrim, it is implied that the Emperor is always Dragonborn and has the soul of a dragon. In Chinese mythology, the chinese zodiac dragon is takes as the emperor's sign. Do you think its a reference? 27.49.32.49 17:13, 5 January 2016 (UTC)AgentSmith

I don't think so. It's also not unique to Skyrim - the Dragonborn is a TES concept that dates back to Redguard or earlier. —Legoless (talk) 17:15, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

"The Pied Piper reference"

Despite the character being named Hamelyn, a reference to Hamelin; the story of the pied Piper has little to do with a rat army. This instead is much more similar to the movie of Willard, based on the Ratman's Notebooks, in which a social outcast uses rats he has befriended for his own means-- killing his boss, then abandoning them only to be killed by the very rats he had originally befriended.— Unsigned comment by Khyron 2500 (talk • contribs) at 06:13 on 13 January 2016‎

It may be true that the Pied Piper story has nothing to do with a rat army, but Hamelyn in the game also isn't killed by his rat army. Especially with the name Hamelyn, this egg is already pretty certain. •WoahBro^►talk 15:06, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

I agree. Even if the Pied Piper wasn't trying to make an army, the fact remains that both situations involve someone controlling (or planning to, at least) a large quantity of rats for some nefarious purpose, and the name clinches it. It's pretty clear that the Pied Piper is what they were going for. Zul do onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 20:38, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

I agree too. DRAGON GUARD^(TALK) 20:39, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Matrix reference (maker)

Ysgramor's soup spoon is a fork suggesting that Ysgramor was either very strong or that he was a fan of the Matrix. When we shall find it to see that it is not a spoon, we think to ourselves, there is no spoon. Although I don't believe it is an easter egg but it is something that creates an easter egg. Perhaps the makers wanted us to remember that we are playing a game and should not go all nerdy. — Unsigned comment by 27.49.32.36 (talk) at 06:48 on 17 January 2016

I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to tell us... -- SarthesArai ^Talk 12:01, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Reference seems flaky. For one, this "spoon" was the subject to two other easter eggs unrelated to this one (archives 3 and 16); two, even in the Matrix the non-spoon looked like a spoon, not a fork. I have to oppose. --MetaCthulhu (talk) 18:55, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Agreed, cannot be flagged as an easter egg, good work Bethesda. 師傅龙(Sifu Lóng) (talk) 16:11, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Shadow of the Torturer - Sanguine Rose

The Sanguine Rose is likely a reference to the Avern, a poisonous plant used as a dueling weapon in the Sanguinary Fields in Gene Wolfe's 1980 novel, The Shadow of the Torturer. See this page for a summary, and here for the scene in question.

Worthy of inclusion?

Snerg (talk) 22:13, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

The Sanguine Rose has been a part of the series since Daggerfall. Additionally, it is not wielded like a weapon, but a summoning staff. -- SarthesArai ^Talk 22:37, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

I didn't realize! Do you think it's coincidental? - Snerg (talk) 01:15, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

I'd say it is. The original Sanguine Rose was a literal rose, used to summon Daedra rather than as a weapon. —Legoless (talk) 01:23, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Rocky

Sometimes when you attack a few bandits, they will say, "hit the one in the middle". This is a reference to Rocky where he being Punch Drunk is advised the same. — Unsigned comment by ProphetDragon (talk • contribs) at 10:48 on 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes. It's already on the page under Rocky IV (not to mention be proposed twice before). --MetaCthulhu (talk) 20:09, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Should I add this in the main page? 師傅龙(Sifu Lóng) (talk) 16:59, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Well, no... -- SarthesArai ^Talk 17:09, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Oh! Didn't notice that. — Unsigned comment by ProphetDragon (talk • contribs) at 05:00 on 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Laurel & Hardy Reference

when a follower has been arrested one of the lines they may say is: "Well, this is a nice mess you've gotten me into" a possible reference to Oliver Hardy's catch phrase "Well, Here's another nice mess you've gotten me into" 81.156.182.71 20:31, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

It's possible, but it's now a common enough phrase that it may not have been intended as anything. We'd need other things that point to it being a specific reference before we put it on the page. – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 21:30, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

I have to agree, this doesn't look to be specific/obvious enough to be a reference. •WoahBro^►talk 00:22, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Agreed, most likely coincidence. Zul do onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 00:08, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Reference to William Congreve? (Moved from Skyrim talk:Whirlwind Sprint)

I noticed that the translation for the word wall text for the second word (Nah) ends with the following sentence: "Oblivion hath no fury like [a] shield maiden scorned.". This appears to be an obvious reference to the famous English poet and playwright William Congreve's The Mourning Bride. From this play, this sentence has become well-known: "Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned,", which is also often paraphrased as "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned". This last bit is very similar to the text on the world wall. Would it be valuable to mention this, either here, under trivia, or on Skyrim:Easter Eggs? — Unsigned comment by 213.233.199.198 (talk) at 10:40 on 27 May 2016 (UTC)

The translation is definitely a play on the woman scorned bit, but that's honestly become such a common expression that I doubt they had Congreve in mind when they put it in.Zul do onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 20:35, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

It is definitely a reference to the phrase though, and the phrase was definitely made by Congreve, so I'm leaning towards inclusion. --MetaCthulhu (talk) 22:21, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

I think it is a reference. DRAGON GUARD^(TALK) 23:03, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

The question isn't whether it's a reference to the phrase though, it's whether it's a reference to Congreve specifically, and I don't think there's sufficient evidence that it is. Our criteria for an "easter egg" specifies that there has to be a reference to something specific, and in the past, we typically haven't included common figures of speech, even ones that originate from a clear source and become common parlance. Zul do onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 02:51, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

This is a quote, not a figure of speech, even if most people don't know its origins. There's precedent for mentioning such quotes, and I think we can apply common sense in including this case. Regardless of whether they had Congreve in mind, they certainly had his quote in mind and it should therefore be listed here under whatever title best suits (i.e. the author). —Legoless (talk) 11:17, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Reference to Blood (video game) and Army of Darkness.

If you summon Lucien Lachance when there's no one to fight, he will stand around and talk. Some of these phrases will be about the area you're currently in, some are him lamenting there's no one around to kill, and one of them simply has him say "I live ... again." This is said exactly the same way the main protagonist says it in the first person shooter Blood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS6BX-gcJqw This was originally meant as a callback to a scene in Army of Darkness. — Unsigned comment by 64.30.184.125 (talk) at 06:04 on 21 June 2016 (UTC)

I think that's a pretty generic phrase. Lachance was dead, and his spirit is now being summoned from the void to serve players. Therefore, he is alive again. Zul do onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 11:22, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

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