Oblivion talk:Two Sides of the Coin

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Is there anyway of doing this quest if you got jorundur killed before starting the quest? — Unsigned comment by Gan ning (talkcontribs)

No. Good Luck. --Playjex 11:14, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

jounder died on me to R4ngewarlord 04:09, 1 September 2008 (EDT)
what if the quest has started then you beat the crap out of your jailbait? 18:19, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
The quest will end with the message "One of the people needed for this quest has died". I believe you can kill Jorundr after he's told you where the gold is though, but your best bet is to just get the gold to finish the quest and then kill him, if you really need to that is... ~ Dwarfmp 18:30, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
thats the thing i activated the quest, went to jail beat the hell out of him and then talked with his wife and its pointing me to his dead body. the officer guy still shows up to ask the corpse where he hid his gold and wont talk to me i think i should just go find the gold but i really want to kill that shrew i dont want her essential anymore... >:{

No Tyrellius[edit]

Using chamaleon, I picked the lock and had no problem from the jailor. Besides, after finding the treasure Tyrellius never showed up, and the quest was marked as finished (maybe because i went to the treasure location by fast travelling to a nearby location). Afterwards, I searched Tyrellius anywhere but I wasn't able to find him.

Digital Necrophilia[edit]

Another unfortunate drawback of the Xbox 360 is the inability to take screenshots. Like the one I'd so like to take now. Choosing to kill Arnora as initiation into the Dark Brotherhood, I dealt her the final blow and she sank to her knees near the fireplace with her back against the hearth. Stripping her of her belongings has left her looking like the Penthouse Pet of the Month.--OGRastamon 19:41, 19 November 2006 (EST)


While trying to complete this quest, I served my jail time and was kicked out of the jail, as expected. What was not expected, however, was the fact that I still seem to be considered an inmate. If I try to talk to the prison guard near the door, he tells me he doesn't talk to inmates. All the other guards seem to behave normally (though I'm getting some really strange rumours as though I was on a Fighters' Guild quest), but when sneaking around them (or anyone else, for that matter), the cursor never turns bright, even when they're looking right at me. They can obviously see me, though, as they'll arrest me for committing crimes.--Robin Hood 23:34, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

Update: The strange problems seemed to go away once I asked to visit a prisoner, then left the area and came back.--Robin Hood 23:53, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

Amulets ARE quest items[edit]

I just tried to drop both of the Amulets while in the quest and got the "Cannot drop Quest Items" message. This is on the PC version is that makes any difference. — Unsigned comment by RyanMcGinnis (talkcontribs)

Thanks for pointing that out. The amulets start off as quest items, but then are changed to non-quest items towards the end of the quest. I've tried to fix the article accordingly. --NepheleTalk 01:09, 20 November 2007 (EST)

Under attack[edit]

I have vampirism and proceeded to pickup up my confiscated items after getting released from prison. I was immediately attacked by the guard and it saved in this location. Now everytime I begin to play or load this game I am immediately under attack--any suggestions? I cannot talk to guards at all.

Yield to the guard (Hold block and activate the guard at the same time) and then serve your time or pay the fine. --Matthewest TCE 02:02, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

Quest Items[edit]

It states that you lose your quest items when you get arrested. I have the Boots of Springheel Jak, Amulet of Kings and a couple of other items and they all disappear when I get arrested and break out of jail they are not in the evidence box, but when I sleep, serve my time and take my permanent skill point damage (luckily only Armorer Skill-1) everything is back in my inventory. So my question is: Does anyone know how to drop your quest items on the xbox? Waldo126 20:56, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

It won't show your quest items in your inventory until you've left the dungeon area when escaping. You do get them along with the rest of your junk. 00:57, 22 May 2008 (EDT)
Thanks! Waldo126 10:16, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

Good Guy, Bad Guy[edit]

I just wanted to know, who's the lier or the bad person? Who's telling the truth, you know I just want to be the good guy killing the bad guy, but I think the girl is the bad person since she has a true amulet and a fake one, am I right? — Unsigned comment by (talk)

Well, there's no way to know. The quest was made that way. Personally, I believe Jorundr, but... that may stem from my belief that a guy can't tell a lie to save his life. As for the girl having two amulets, she made a copy because she didn't want to lose something important to her (the amulet is a family heirloom, and it looks pretty snazzy). I can understand that. She also didn't know that Jorundr wanted her dead, so there's no way she could have gotten a copy solely because of that reason. Vesna 23:08, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
My take on it is that Arnora is the more evil of the two. Jorundr strikes me as a somewhat dim and weak willed guy who let himself be talked into thievery - I noticed he had a high responsibility score because he witnessed the minor theft I committed to get tossed in jail and alerted the guards, witnessing the theft also lowered his disposition. He claims that Arnora used the guards to get rid of him, this is in keeping with the style of her threats against the PC. Neither of them are nice people, but I am pretty sure that Jorundr's version of events is closer to the truth.
My take is that Jorundr's story is actually true, not cause the story is any better than Arnora's but cause of what each one of them asks you to do: Arnora clearly seeks personal gain. On the other hand there isn't personal gain at all on what Jorundr asks you. It's clearly a matter of revenge/justice for him. IF instead of that, he asked to be helped to escape that would be different and i would be 50/50 on this, but killing Arnora won't get him any actual benefit and he knows that very well. There isn't a single way to make Jorundr escape (i even tried to unlock all doors and took him out of town with Command Humanoid - when the effect run off he started heading back to jail...). And of course they are both thieves, none of them denied that. 13:57, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Anora's Key[edit]

If you try to short-cut the quest by pickpocketting Anora's key after you first talk to her (to get her amulet), the game won't let you open the chest with it. Pedro666 14:03, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

As stated in the article, the key only appears when anora is dead or she hands it to you. Its scripted. the key you have will open the front door. 13:13, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


(Moved from the article)

Once you get arrested, you can punch (or use a weapon, if you hid one in the barreL) Jorundr and the guards will rush in and kill him, and you will not be attacked or recieve a bounty. You can then walk out of the cell when the door is open (do not open it yourself, even if it is unlocked) and leave with no consequences. Furthermore, after you walk out, you can attack any guards in the room and they will not retaliate, you will not recieve a bounty, and you will not be arrested. This allows you to raise your skills with no difficulty. Note that this will end the quest pre-maturely A suggestion on using this is to do it after the quest. Get yourself arrested again, and simply punch Jorundr. He will be killed by the guards and the same thing will happen. This way, you will have completed the quest, and you can also kill guards and loot their bodies, and also raise your skills.

I've moved this because, as it says, it ends the quest prematurely. In other words, it isn't relevant to this quest page. It's an interesting glitch but shouldn't be on the article. –RpehTCE 01:05, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Tyrellius' Permanent Body[edit]

In the 'Notes' section it says: "Tyrellius' body will permanently stay where you slay him." It also says that the UOP will fix this bug. Does anyone know if, for people that don't have the UOP installed, his body can be used as a safe place to stash your loot (like Glarthir's corpse after the Paranoia quest) without it or the body disappearing? --SerCenKing 07:12, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

Yes. Any permanent corpse is safe for storage. –RpehTCE 09:02, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

The Chest[edit]

Where exactly is the chest upon completing this quest?

My compass thingymabob is pointing me to the main gate, at all times. — Unsigned comment by (talk) on 28 December 2008

It's north of the north gate of Bruma. There's a grove of three trees and the rocks just by the southernmost tree conceal the chest. –RpehTCE 14:37, 31 December 2008 (EST)

Reanimating Arnora Bug[edit]

After the quest, I reanimated Arnora with Risen Flesh, and led her to Olav's Tap and Tack (why I was doing this, I don't know). When her time was up, I got the 'One of the characters needed to complete the quest has died' note, which isn't unusual. However, I received 1 Infamy point for doing this. I didn't receive a bounty, and the quest page states that it's impossible to earn any Infamy, so I have NO idea how I got the Infamy point. 22:57, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

My guess is that the game considered the spell to be an attack. (Gadianzero 23:11, 3 June 2009 (EDT))

When I try to serve my time it freezes![edit]

Every time I try to serve my time in the prison cell with Jorunder the screen turns black and the game freezes. I am on the Xbox 360 if that helps. (Sliter 17:21, 29 July 2009 (UTC))

Do you have the latest patches installed? Dom 02:24, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Skill book rewards.[edit]

Having maxed out sneak (100) when I did this quest, I did NOT receive a sneak skill book. At least I don't think I did (I'm rather sure I got Marksman and Conjuration). Can anyone confirm this? — Unsigned comment by (talk) on 24 August 2009

Skill books don't advance your skills past 100, that is the reason. --Timenn-<talk> 09:12, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I can confirm this. I recieved a Blade and Marksman skill book. "Battle of Sanere Tor" and "The Black Arrow, v 2" No skills of mine are maxed out so there does not seem like any logical reason for this.

Jorundr, world's wealthist prisoner[edit]

While in prison I pickpocketed Jorundr. Surprisingly, he had over 200 gold on him. Can anyone else confirm this?

Well when i got in jail i had some millions of gold. So no, i am the richest. If you think of yourself as an example, i don't think the guards remove the prisoner's gold like they do with clothes and gear. 14:16, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
You probably bribed him. --Arch-Mage MattTalk 19:28, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I did this quest the other night and wanted to see if I could bribe Jorundr while I was jailed with him. They took my gold too, dammit! -Lord Malus DCLXVI 02:31, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Tyrellius missing[edit]

Moved from article:

  • If you decide to do it Jorundr's way, Tyrellius might be missing when you go to collect your reward.

I was arrested... and released but my quest euipment isnt in my box... how do i find it or get it back?

It might be in the evidence chest in the jail. Opening it will get you a bounty and probably arrested but when you get back out you should have your quest items back. Count Marius Caro 18:45, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Showing him the real amulent[edit]

When you show him the real amulent, will he take it, or can you keep it and finish the quest? Dom 19:38, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

No, he won't take any of the two amulet, then you can either keep it, sell it or throw it away--S'drassa 20:11, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Dom 02:23, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Getting both amulets by starting Arnora's way[edit]

I have the pc version and before my hard drive was wiped and I started over, I was doing this quest. I decided not to be a meanie and kill Arnora because she was a named npc. Therefore I decided to do her way and got her real amulet. At the end, she died anyways and her "fake" amulet was not on her corpse, which made me sad as it was unique, so I loaded to one of my previous saves and started to think about my math homework...a few minutes later I got bored and tried several strategies to get the amulet...of course, killing Arnora made it impossible for me to complete the quest, so I tried leading the corrupt guard to her house (he starts walking towards you to talk to you, even going through doors). I then quicksaved and tried killing Arnora and then him at once, but that didn't work, so I electricuted him and then quickly electricuted Arnora as well and looted her corpse. Right after I got the update about the guard killing Arnora and that I should check to make sure, and sure enough, there was her dead body. Tyrellius must die first and you must kill Arnora immediately afterwards before the quest update. (The update kills Arnora, so it ignores the voices saying you killed her. It also takes time to register that someone died and make an update for it, Tyrellius's update cancels Arnora's). This way gets you both amulets and neither are quest items.--Theos 03:38, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I've got both amulets and have finished quest succesfully by taking Arnora side. Here's how it went. I spoke to Arnora about the gold, then got jailed and talked to her man. Then at the evening I slipped in Arnora's house and reverse-pickpocketed her with another amulet (the one you get for Bruma vampire hunter quest, basically any good amulet will work, just make sure it's not stolen and worth about 500 gold). Then i've waited outside her house till 1am. She got to her bed and swaped her blue amulet to the forged one. I pickpocketed blue amulet from her, then wake her up to get real amulet. Then you can finish quest and hold 2 amulets. I play with OBSE and FCOM, it makes my rings and amulets weightless, usable for reverse-pickpocketing. Oxyk 02:31, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
That sounds very workable, but the problem is that there are no weightless neck items in an unmodded game that are not quest items. --DKong27 Talk Cont 03:01, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Bug (Moved from page)[edit]

Moved from page.

After you obtain the loot from the chest and go back to Arnora's body. if you use the staff of worms and then load the autosave when you walked into her house she will be considered alive but her corpse will still be on the ground. she will say things to you and it says you can pickpocket her. this makes her body impossible to loot unless you "kill" her, which will the lead to the message popping up saying one of the characters involved in the quest has died.

Needs Verification, plus it's badly written--Arch-Mage MattTalk 19:26, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't even need verification. It's yet another "well if you do stupid things you get stupid results" addition. The Staff of Worms screws things up royally and it doesn't need listing on every single page. rpeh •TCE 19:31, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Thieves Guild[edit]

Does anybody know if doing this quest gets you the invitation to join the thieves guild? 23:27, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

If you get sent to jail to talk to Jourundur, yes. --Arch-Mage MattTalk 23:30, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Shoot. :( So if I join the thieves guild after going to jail, but before that girl gives me the invitation, will she still seek me out to give it to me? I don't want it because it's one of those undroppable quest items.
Hey, maybe someone should make a note of it on this page. I avoid quests where you end up with permanent quest items but I always forget about this one. Thanks for your help. 03:18, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
If you don't mind a few infanmy points, you can eventually get Myvryna to take it back, after advancing in the guild, --Arch-Mage MattTalk 03:39, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
How? rpeh •TCE 12:12, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
"So if I join the thieves guild after going to jail, but before that girl gives me the invitation, will she still seek me out to give it to me?" - No. Also, on most platforms (PS3 GOTY is apparently the exception) you can get rid of unwanted quest items via Sanguine's quest.--Aliana 13:06, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Doesn't either Myvryna or Armand take the letter back? You're confusing me :/--Arch-Mage MattTalk 17:00, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Armand takes the note back when you ask him about the mysterious note in the Garden of Dareloth while wanting to join the Thieves Guild. Talk Wolok gro-Barok Contributions 18:52, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

The place Mix up[edit]

I went to anora's house after the quest and her body was not there instead the gaurds was and i went to get treasure and anora was there instead and if you dont kill her fast she runs away with both amulents and treasure any way of fixing this?

Bugs and random attacks[edit]

I started this quest early but went off to do other things, but when I selected the quest, there was no quest marker. Dumb I know, but I had a big list of quests early on, and I couldn't for the life of me remember where the hell Jorundr was - I had to look it up on here, in fact.

So I got out of jail (sneaked out using the Gray Cowl, so no bounty, yay), and when leaving Bruma Castle there was suddenly a big fight going on between a Bleak Mine guard (who I guess was annoyed at me letting those trolls out) and the castle guards, though no-one attacked me at any point. Any idea why a Bleak Mine guy would suddenly show up? It leant a nice roleplaying angle but makes no sense.— Unsigned comment by (talk) on 19 July 2010

I'm assuming that you are referring to the guards from the Malacath quest, if so it's a know bug that affects several NPCs not only them. See this section for more details. --S'drassa T2M 20:12, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I managed to break this quest by getting arrested by the Prison guard, and now he chases me around as if I'm still in the cells, but I'm in the barracks. I have no dialogue option to meet prisoners, and the door is locked. 12:30, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

jorundr dead[edit]

i got jorundr killed so what do i do with the quest now (jamz) — Unsigned comment by Jamz slack (talkcontribs) at 07:53 on 11 December 2010

As far as I know, there is no way to complete the quest if Jorundr dies. You will have to look through your earlier saves and reload. --Krusty 07:59, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Breaking the Bear Season Quest??[edit]

Hey guys. So, I just thought I'd pass along a little bug/exploit I just discovered by accident.

After I had been arrested for this quest, one of the guards inexplicably came and unlocked my cell, allowing me to escape without any fight at all (which is weird enough). However, when I went up to steal all my equipment out of the evidence chest, I got a message saying I had just found my fourth West Weald Bear tooth (for the Bear Season question). However, I definitely still only have two in my inventory. I think the game accidentally double-counted my bear teeth when they got re-added to my inventory. I'm not sure if this will break the Bear Season quest for me or not (enough Bears might not spawn now) or if the game will actually give me credit for teeth I don't actually have. Just thought I'd pass this little occurrence along for your bug/exploit consideration. 05:04, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

That shouldn't affect the number of bears that spawn, so you should be okay. I've added a note to the Bear Season quest page about this, because it's more about that quest than this one. rpeh •TCE 11:49, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Two sides of the coin/A strange door[edit]

Everytime i go to do the Two side of the coin quest i go to the jail and the part where it says you have to get yourself put in jail i do that and it taakes me to a underground part of shivering isles expansion pack.and takes all my items and money.anybody know this? — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 14:58 on February 16, 2011

This seems like a mod issue. The only times when you should be brought to a jail in the Isles is if you are arrested by a Dark Seducer or a Golden Saint. And even then I'm sure there are instances of checking if the player is in the Isles. --DKong27 Talk Cont 22:03, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Removed Lie About Skull of Corruption[edit]

After spending the last 4 hours doing research and trial-and-error, it's clear now that the note stating that you can gain both amulets while agreeing to not kill Arnora is false, or unsubstantiated at best. I found a forum post on uesp.net from awhile back where a user asked about this; nobody was able to give this person an answer. In fact, I could not find any information anywhere to back-up this claim. Furthermore, I was unable to reproduce it myself (PS3 version).

The only way to do the Skull of Corruption duplication glitch is to first use the Staff of Worms on a corpse. As far as I can tell, it won't work when you try it on a living person, as the "corrupted clone" will automatically vanish as soon as it dies, even if you save/reload in the interim.

Therefore, the only way that glitch could work would be to first kill Arnora, which will cause the quest to end prematurely without the reward. Besides, when you kill her, you can just loot the blue amulet off her corpse anyway. I'm not sure how the duplication glitch would even be relevant here. Whomever added that note wasted a lot of people's time. At least now nobody else will be misled by that. 11:40, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

How does one cause the duplicated Tyrellius?[edit]

After you get arrested and talk to Jorundr, if you manage to escape from jail without resting or waiting, a bug occurs that will duplicate Tyrellius. If you decide to help Arnora, then go outside to claim the gold and kill Tyrellius, you can return to the Bruma dungeon and find him still alive and well equipped in Bruma guard clothing.

I don't see any way of causing this. Tyrellius' in-jail ref's scripting checks only that the quest stage is 40 and that the player is not in the BrumaCastleDungeon cell anymore and then disables itself. Talking to Jorundr in jail and picking Stolen Gold (the only available topic) does this update to stage 40, which is required for the quest to progress. If the player escapes or serves their sentence and doesn't talk to Jorundr, and goes back to Arnora, she'll only have dialog indicating to go back to jail to talk to Jorundr for information. Neither her fake amulet nor the key to her chest to get her true amulet can be pickpocketed from her, and she's essential so can't be murdered to get either one, so the player doesn't seem to be able to advance the quest until they go back to Jorundr.

Conversely, if you kill Tyrellius while in jail, he will still be present when you go to get the gold.

This one is easily enough verified to be correct.

Kivan 00:02, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


I chose "Jorundr's way", then ran outside, but she didn't follow me. When I went back in, she restarted the speech. — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 16:30 on 29 June 2012

Complete the quest with Tyrellius enable[edit]

  1. Cast command humanoid on Arnora and Lead to Jorundr's cell.
  2. Paralyze her in the cell and go to Jail.
  3. Talk to Jorundr and progress the quest.
  4. kill Arnora in the cell. (You must kill her in the Jail)
  5. Report to Jorundr.
  6. Get your reward and complete the quest.
  7. Now back to the jail, Tyrellius is still standing at the jail.
  • The point is progress the quest at the jail.
  • Arnora's body is permanent corpse. Yeah, It's good present for lonely prisoner. BUT he will be moved another cell. So If you interest in, back to him later and move her corpse to his cell.
  • After complete the quest. Tyrellius turns to normal Jailor but he spends his time at the jail.
  • If you disturb Tyrellius' conversation with Jorundr during the quest, Tyrellius keeps that point forever.

Guyde (talk) 13:50, 6 June 2014 (GMT)