Oblivion talk:Emperor Uriel Septim

Weapon

Hi guys. My friend was wondering what type of sword he wields in the beginning of the game. Thanks. --Playjex 21:52, 28 July 2007 (EDT)

It's a plain silver shortsword. --Saruuk 22:21, 28 July 2007 (EDT)

Thank You. --Playjex 11:07, 29 July 2007 (EDT)

Do you think we should have a picture of him from in game instead of the cutscene shot?

Who played him in Daggerfall, by the way?

Uriel look a like

Yes, I think We should make a picture of him in the game rather then the cutscene, there is a good one on google images: Search "Oblivion Emperor" Under LArge images. Anyway, I made a character that looks like him, and am wondering: what is his birthsign?

Simple answer: he hasn't got one. While all NPC's in the world have a class like the player, most do not have birthsigns. The few NPC's who do have one usually have a combination of diffirent effects from the normal Birthsigns (i.e. the ones the player can use.). See Brother Martin for example.--LordDagon 08:11, 23 February 2008 (EST)

Well according to the calender on The Imperial University website the Emperor's birthday is celebrated on the 30th of Frost Fall, therefore he should be born under the Tower.

Obtaining the Emperor's Robes

Using the Skull of Corruption and the Staff of Worms, I was able to get Uriel's robes. I did this simply by using the Skull's duplication glitch. I didn't see this posted anywhere on this article, Martin's article, or the clothing article. Mast3r Of Pupp3ts 01:08, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Except there's only way to possibly obtain the Skull of Corruption and Staff of Worms before Uriel dies and is removed from the game: by using the Console to give yourself the staves. At which point, you might as well just skip the trouble of using the staves and just use player.additem 23D33 1 to get the robes whenever you want. And putting a note next to every single item in the game saying "you could obtain this item by using the console additem command" seems a bit redundant. Not to mention, why would you even want to go to all of this trouble to obtain a set of unenchanted robes? --Nephele^Talk 01:18, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Well, apparently I can obtain both the Staff and the Skull without Uriel's body being removed. After completing the Mages Guild quests, (and no others, other than the Vaermina quest)I simply went back to the Imperial Prison Sewers, made my way back to the Sanctum and got the robes. Also, I couldn't have used the console command, I'm on the 360. As for obtaining the robes, I have no idea. Goes well with an upper-class character, and you could always enchant them.--Mast3r Of Pupp3ts 01:26, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

I agree with master of puppets, you can do it by getting the 2 items before giving the amulet to jaufree, or starting the DB quest when you enter the sewers. — Unsigned comment by 68.193.151.146 (talk)

How do you perform the duplication glitch on Uriel's clone? Or can the clone be damaged, unlike Uriel himself?

I am having a similar problem killing Uriel's clone. He has some sort of regen on that won't let me kill him fast enough. However, it is entirely possible to get the Skull and Staff of Worms to clone him without cheating. I used the spell from the Hill of Suicides quest though, same net result. So the man is right Nephele. Now the problem, for me, is killing him... I hope I don't have to go get Mehrune's Razor just to do this, but I want those robes! (@.@)— Unsigned comment by 68.20.17.227 (talk)

It depends on your level and weapon. You should probably be a little higher of level or have a stronger weapon. Uriel's health will ALWAYS remain at 1000. You just have to try harder.

I've been having a problem with getting the robes as well. I've got both staffs + Mehrunes Razor, so I can clone + kill relatively easily, but then I can't loot it's body. Nothing happens, just like with the original Emperor. Any advice? Thanks. — Unsigned comment by 94.15.182.253 (talk) on 11 December 2010

Nevermind, I wasn't save/reloading. Just me not reading instructions properly. — Unsigned comment by 94.15.182.253 (talk) on 11 December 2010

Cutscene glitch

On the PC, I was messing around and ended up using a console command to kill the assassin that kills the emperor. I thought I could save the emperor,but,it ended up glitching and now my character is stuck in the cutscene mode and can not do a thing. I have tried many things, like bringing the emperor and the assassin back to life, but it did not work. Help! Master264 21:03, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

If you're only at that point you may as well start again. It'll be easier than trying to fix it with the console. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 04:45, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Try the "enableplayercontrols" console command to exit cutscene mode. --Rigas Papadopoulos 14:22, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Deserving of a "Lore:" Article?

I was wondering if anyone else is up for making a Lore:Uriel_Septim_VII article. Whilst this Oblivion article is fairly important as it catalogues all his in-game statistics and whatnot, he has a fair bit of backstory that the little stub here cannot cover. We also should round up some images of him from past games, etc. StoneFrog 16:37, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Go for it. There's no reason why he shouldn't have one and several reasons why he should. Feel free to create one and then other people can chip in. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 11:13, 21 December 2008 (EST)

Unique Dialogue

For his unique dialogue, should we only say his parts of the conversations, or put all of it here and make his lines bold? Volthawk 19:47, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

That depends. If his dialogue only makes sense within the context of the other NPCs dialogue, then we should put it all on there. I have tried to put conversations up in a few places (still haven't found a method that is satisfactory, though), and here are a few links in case you want some inspiration: Roderick, Hirtel, Selene. --Krusty 19:55, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll give it a try. Volthawk 19:56, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Nice. And don't be afraid to include everything. As a general (but unwritten) rule, when NPCs are as quest-related as Uriel Septim, then it's okay to include all his dialogue. --Krusty 19:59, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

OK, how's this for starters? Volthawk 20:43, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, it looks nice - and it's great to get the dialogue on the page (remember to add your name to the ONPCRP-box, btw). Nevertheless, there's probably a bit too much use of bold - if it should be consistent with other pages. I would suggest to make all the names in bold (the "player", "Uriel" and "Renault"-words) - and then have all the dialogue without bold. It's really a matter of personal taste, though. But I like the overall idea of mentioning who is talking every time. I might do something similar on the Roderick-page. --Krusty 21:21, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Nice work Volthawk! But I agree with Krusty. The names should be in bold, and the actual dialogue standard. ^Talk Wolok gro-Barok _{Contributions} 21:24, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

How's this version? Volthawk 21:27, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Much better! A few minor details, though; it seems a bit weird to link to Baurus and Renault twice. Once is more than enough. And there are a few statements that lacks the quotation marks. But as I said, minor details. Other than that: Great work! And nice to finally see his dialogue on the page. Oh, and still:You're more than welcome to add your signature to the ONPCRP-box... ;) --Krusty 21:41, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll just fix those and finish it off, then I'll add my name. Volthawk 21:43, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Great, though I would rather have the dialogue without links, because all that blue does not look nice in there. We can link to Renault en Baurus later, when the rest of information is added. And I also like to have "player", "Renault" and "Baurus" in bold when stating who says what. That way it's more distinguishable. ^Talk Wolok gro-Barok _{Contributions} 21:47, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Will do. Volthawk 22:04, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Should I put in what he says about your birthsign? Volthawk 22:05, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Depends. I think his commentary (what he says after you have chosen one) should not be mentioned, as that can already be found here and that will simply be too much. But perhaps the run-op can be mentioned, but it's the editor's choice really, so do what you see fit! ^Talk Wolok gro-Barok _{Contributions} 22:09, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

There, I've done it. That should be everything, anyway. Volthawk 23:20, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

How come no-one has filled in that upon Glenroy saying get over to the window, the emperor says in a wondering tone, "I know this place, the prison?"? Stirksailor 02:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

On PC I had never heard him say that until I used 'tai' on Renualt, which stopped her from walking down the stairs (but didn't stop her from speaking her lines) and that is when I heard him say that sentence. And then Renault says a few lines, telling him about the secret passageway. Without that manipulation I did, Renault never says those lines, and the Emperor's comments are not heard, or just barely understandable since others are speaking at almost exactly the same time. The scripting apparantly didn't time it right (she notices you when she reaches the front of the bars, but that is before she got had a chance to talk to the Emperor about the passageway).Bamspeedy 23:08, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Rumours

So, for his rumours section of the OBNPCRP,should we put everything people say about his murder, and should we mention his article in the Black Horse Courier? Volthawk 00:02, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I think so, yes. But try to find out whether there actually rumours about his person (or his skill as a ruler) rather than just the generic can-be-any-emperor rumours. --Timenn-<talk> 16:14, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Premature Balding

Ok, so this has been happening to me when I play the begining. So I was talking to the emperor(we were in the large room connected to the room he dies in) and I guess it was that big ray of light, but when I talked to him, his hair went POOF! It was hillarious really, and by further experimentation, I found that that ray of light seems to over-shadow his hair no matter how many times I play. I have no idea how codes and stuff work, I don't get what the "Construction Set" is either but that is a different topic, so Im just assuming the code for the light covers his hair or something? Just curious...

This may be a graphics bug. --Rigas Papadopoulos 14:24, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Uriel Septim's Final Speech

Has it been concretely established what, if anything, triggers the longer version of his final speech? Davehoekst 18:21, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

It's there, but it is never used in the game. The brief version is always used. I've updated the article with this information, --Timenn-<talk> 16:13, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I managed to trigger the longer speech on the Xbox 360 version. If you save the moment before the Emperor talks to you for the final time and then reload, the longer speech is triggered. Note that you must save a split second before the conversation triggers (i.e. camera zooming in). I had to save and reload several times while the Emperor was walking towards me in order to get the timing right. The conversation breakdown is as follows:

First dialogue selection:

• Your Amulet? Then this is 'Goodbye'?
• What Amulet?

Second dialogue selection:

• "So, this is it?"

Note: This only appears if you choose "What Amulet?" in the first dialogue selection. Choosing "Your Amulet? Then this is 'Goodbye?' immediately advances the converstion to the final selection.

Final dialogue selection:

• With all my heart...farewell...
• I won't forget you...
• I'll take it from here...

— Unsigned comment by 24.20.133.207 (talk) at 00:06 on 26 December 2010

To add fuel to the fire, I just got the final speech without the saving business. I did the tutorial as usual, and suddenly, Urial gave me the longer version. I also got all the optional dialogue that he says (Standing close to the cell doors to trigger the line "I recognize this place - the prison?," his request to rest for just a little longer, and his request that you come closer so that he wouldn't have to shout). Presumably, however, his final speech trigger is completely random. Nyttyn (talk) 10:01, 23 November 2012 (GMT)

I was readily able to confirm the save-and-reload method in-game. It took a couple of tries, but it happened. I was off to one side of him and just as he turned to speak to me, I saved. Reloading the first time, I got the usual dialogue; the second time, I got the extended version.

As for the VN, the game files are unhelpful here. Based on the data, there is no condition at all that should cause the longer text to show up. The save-reload method works only due to a fluke of the game mechanics. Both versions are set to be spoken only once. By saving at the "wrong" time, it appears that at least sometimes, it believes the first version has been spoken already, so it falls through to the second version.

Saving early enough not to trigger the above method, I was unable to trigger the longer version randomly over about 20 tries, but that doesn't mean it's not possible. As a point of comparison, the extra line of dialogue mentioned above that occurs while you're still in jail will usually only occur if something delays Uriel Septim, like a pathing oddity causing him to take longer. In 99% of games, that won't happen, but every once in a while, some fluke of the physics engine causes it to happen. There could be a similar effect here that I just never triggered, where perhaps he tries once, fails, then falls through similar to the save-reload method. I was able to set up a similar situation, where I got him to walk towards me, then abort when I ran away, but that didn't do it—he still spoke his normal lines. Perhaps some more imaginative person can figure something else out that I didn't. Whatever it is that triggers it randomly without reloading, I'd say it's extremely rare, perhaps even a one-off occurrence. – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 18:59, 5 May 2014 (GMT)

It could've been cut dialogue that made its way in to the final version of the game with an unpatched bug. I know, I know, it sounds crazy but it's possible. However, this cannot be confirmed at the moment, unless, RobinHood70, you want to do more delving into the game files, but, who knows? Who knows? DG^#:) 20:15, 5 May 2014 (GMT)

Nothing crazy about it...that's actually what I think is the most likely scenario. Or it was just a plain old bug, where they meant to have it be random between the two, or maybe even one after the other, and just goofed on the implementation. The game files won't give us anything more than they already have, though. I can see what's wrong, but at least in this case, there's no way to tell from the game files what the developers actually intended. – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 22:32, 5 May 2014 (GMT)

(←) So then it sounds like the only surefire method of getting the extended dialogue is using the save method. Even if, as Nyttyn suggests, it can happen randomly, the odds are so remote that it's probably not worth mentioning when there's a more assured way of getting it. ThuumofReason (talk) 22:54, 5 May 2014 (GMT)

Seems to be, but I was hoping that coming back to the topic might miraculously attract someone who had solved the mystery of why it appears randomly. Since we only have one report of a random occurrence, and we don't document one-offs, I'd agree that we should remove it unless someone else necro-posts to this topic 1.5 more years from now with a solution. :) – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 01:47, 6 May 2014 (GMT)

Actually I've just restarted my game and this is the second playthrough in which he initiates this speech. I made no saves other than the autosaves. — Unsigned comment by Orgaya (talk • contribs) at 07:36 on 10 July 2014‎

Okay, I've updated the page accordingly based on the fact that there's now a second report. – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 18:35, 10 July 2014 (GMT)

I heard the dialogue myself for the first time today, and I can only think of one thing that was different from previous playthroughs; All of the Mythic Dawn cultists that had spawned after Baurus says "Guard him with your life" were dead before the discussion was initiated... Perhaps this has something to do with it?Asuterisuku (talk) 07:34, 5 November 2014 (GMT)

Easter Egg

Until someone gives a little bit of support to this addition I'm moving it here:

the name Uriel Septim VII. Uriel Pronounced: YUWR-ee-əl which has the meaning "God is my light". Uriel was one of the seven archangels in Hebrew tradition. the name Uriel septim VII, may be a play on the number 777. Septim is latin for seven. VII is the roman number for 7.

--S'drassa ^•T2M 02:07, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

A little glitch??

Is it worth noting that if you manage to loot Uriel, he has 2 pairs of Emporer's Shoes, the second one only appearing if you loot the first one? — Unsigned comment by 78.146.69.167 (talk) on 9 May 2010

He has two pairs at all times. This will be noted as part of the NPC redesign project. rpeh •T•C•E• 13:00, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Birthsign?

Wait, if the Emperor says 'Your stars are not mine' in EVERY birthsign, then what birthsign was he born under? :S --SpecOpsBear 13:53, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

In Oblivion, very few NPC's have a Birthsing and they do not have the same Birthsings that the player can choose but unique Birthsings(like Mankar Camoran's birthsing. --Rigas Papadopoulos 14:30, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Just to confirm Rigas' statement, I just checked, and the Emperor has no birthsign (nor any other spells) whatsoever. – Robin Hood↝talk 00:54, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Move to Emperor Uriel Septim?

His in-game name is Emperor Uriel Septim which is what the wiki uses. mxk101^Talk 17:24, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Definitely. It looks like this page was used because it was originally copied from Wikipedia. We should always use the in-game name. rpeh •T•C•E• 17:46, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I have moved the page to the correct location. mxk101^Talk 17:54, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Emperor's Hair

This is entirely random and irrelevant, but I have to point out that Uriel goes from being bald in the DF opening cutscene to having a full head of hair in OB. Sn0L3prd 00:47, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Well, they decided to change his appearance for Oblivion, perhaps? It wouldn't be the first time. User: The Studious Mage 5:45 pm, 08, October 2011.

I thought hair grew? ~ Dwarfmp 22:54, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

yo who wants to help me start a new page on uriel septim

Hey so I read the uesp entry on Uriel septim and I didn't look complete what I mean by this is that it doesn't include the bugs glitches console commands Easter eggs or mods if there are any so I thought I should make a new uesp page but ill need other editors/gamers to help me so just post here if you want to help /p.s I play on the 360 so ill need a few Pc gamers to help out so thank u for reading this and I know its 2012 and every body's playing skyrim (including me) but I think we should contribute to those who still play oblivion and contribute to one of the best rpgs of its time — Unsigned comment by 173.55.184.189 (talk) at 18:47 on 23 June 2012

If the bugs/glitches are associated with specific quests, they belong on the quest page. Console commands are generally only included on articles if they are necessary to fix bugs. Easter eggs have their own page. Mods are not listed on regular articles. Feel free to contribute to the page if you feel improvements are necessary, but a new page certainly isn't needed. ABCface^◥ 18:54, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm a new editor and I wasn't just going to make a page about just that but if any one has any Ideas about a new page tell me and if you can help me with your idea and it doesn't have to be about oblivion it could be about skyrim oh and thanks for the heads up alphabetface — Unsigned comment by 173.55.184.189 (talk) at 20:31 on 23 June 2012

Setting up an account would be a good start. You could use your talk page to take suggestions. The Silencer speaks^Talk 19:36, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Gettysburg Speech Influence on Uriel Septim's age?

Abraham Lincoln's famous speech at Gettysburg forever immortalized starts with "Four Score and Seven years ago" A score in the term of years is 20 years. So effectively Abraham Lincoln speaks that 87 years ago something important happened.

Uriel Septim VII is eighty seven years old. So at the time of Oblivion Crisis when we meet him for the last time, he was born four score and seven years ago and ruled Tamriel for three score and five years, effectively 60 years and half a decade.

Therefore I wonder if his age has influence from Abraham Lincoln's famous speech and that's why Uriel Septim with the voice of Patrick Stewart delivers a famous speech of his own?

--67.168.37.164 06:48, 15 July 2013 (GMT)

Julius Caesar

I think the similarities between Uriel and Caesar should be noted. This page mentions one quote from the play, but there are several more I have found:

"My death, a necessary end, will come when it will come." "Seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come." (Act 2, Scene 2)

"The skies are marked with numberless sparks, each a fire, and every one a sign." "The skies are painted with unnumber'd sparks, they are all fire and every one doth shine..." (Act 3, Scene 1) [marked/painted, numberless/unnumber'd are essentially the same and sign/shine rhyme]

"Men are but flesh and blood." "And men are flesh and blood..." (Act 3, Scene 1)

Aside from quotes, they are both leaders of empires who get assassinated. The assassins (Mythic Dawn/conspirators) are later killed by one of their allies (player/Mark Antony and Octavius). I think the existing note could discuss this (in a shorter way), but I want to see what other people think first. Pckldpckl (talk) 07:31, 24 November 2013 (GMT)

This is already noted on the Easter Eggs page. At least the Act 2, Scene 2. You might add there the parts of Act 3, Scene 1, if you want. —MortenOSlash (talk) 05:55, 9 December 2013 (GMT)

I'm not sure if the quotes should be added. I think just the connection between the two. Pckldpckl (talk) 02:25, 11 December 2013 (GMT)

Glitch

I was looting Renault earlier and for some reason, don't ask, I actually yanked her clothes off her body. All I recieved thoug were her Swords and torch. — Unsigned comment by 104.236.124.172 (talk) at 15:59 on 14 May 2016