Oblivion talk:Breton

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French?[edit]

Based on the French? I had never assumed that at all. As the name implies, I'd assume they are based on early English, maybe the Celts. If their names sound anything like French (like the best Breton name ever: Mebestien Ence), remember that the line between the French and English culture and languages in early-medeival times was somewhat blurred. Take a look at actual Old English sometime (not Shakespeare, that's Middle English). It looks very much French (while actually being a Germanic language). Mebestien 12:03, 24 February 2007 (EST)

It makes more sense if you think about it as Bretagne, not Britain. The words of course have common root, and Bretagne is the region of France closest to Britain geographically as well. Anyhow, the names of most Bretons in the games are clearly French-derivative. (See Lore:Names#Breton and try telling me those names don't all look French.) Anyhow, the British and the French have quite a bit in common, despite being constantly at war for a good portion of their history. There doesn't seem to be a race in Tamriel equivalent to the Britons. Imperials are basically the Roman empire, and Nords are Scandanavian. (Though Nords would be closest, I guess, being Germanic.) Anyhow, it's all pretty conjectural. Saying that the Bretons are British or French makes about as much sense as saying that Redguards are African, despite having nothing in common with them beyond skin color. It's a fictional world, and the same rules do not necessarily apply everywhere. --TheRealLurlock Talk 13:08, 24 February 2007 (EST)
You have to remember, as well as being at war constantly with France, we have also been trading with France for centuries, intermarrying and the like. 1066, the last time England was successfully invaded, was by the French, and if iirc the English didn't really regain what you could call a culture separate to the French until about 1350. Jadrax 13:23, 24 February 2007 (EST)
OMG guys! Get your facts straight please! The Breton are obviously based on the Celtic peoples and the reference isn't a subtle one either (starting with the name). The book Provinces of Tamriel specifically mentions Brittany as Breton territory. For your information, Britanny (Bretagne in French and Breizh in Breton) is the most northwestern part of present day France inhabited by Bretons (who are today French citizens but are not of the Frankish lineage) some of whom still speak Breton (a Celtic language) and are the direct descendats of the Celts who have been living in that area since before the Antiquity. When they conquered the British Isles (then inhabited by Pictish tribes among others) they named it Greater Brittany, so the names Brit, Briton and Britain have nothing to do with the Anglo-Saxons who arrived much later to the place (and in turn named it Anglia which survives today as England).
The same book mentions that the Bretons live in separated clans, again something typical of the Celtic peoples (including the Irish and the Scots) and nothing unlike the Anglo-Saxons or Franks who have had a longstanding tradition of being united (which accounts for a large part of their success and also their historical hostility).
When England was invaded in 1066 it was done not by the Frech but by the Normans ('North Men') who were of Scandinavian descendance (Danes, Norse - Vikings if you will) at the time settled in Normandy (the western coastal region present day France).
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I think most people conclude that Bretons are based on French because their names in Morrowind and Oblivion sound very similar to French names, just like Cyrodiil names sound like Roman, Bosmer names sound like names from LotR, etc. I would like to point out that Breton names are probably one of the most inconsistent parts of TES series because in Daggerfall, which mostly took place in High Rock, all characters had names which sounded like English or Celtic and not at all French. 194.106.187.140 22:47, 29 July 2008 (EDT)Nameless One

Conflict![edit]

This article states that the Nedes invaded the Altmer and took their women as wives, producing the Breton. This article states that the Altmer took the Nede women as concubines, producing the Breton. Which is true? --Mebestien 12:33, 24 February 2007 (EST)

-Actually, what it says in this article, is that there was interbreeding between the early Nords and the Aldmer, producing the Manmer. In the linked article, it is said that the Bretons were created by breeding between the Nords and Manmer. --Darkle

Help[edit]

I was hoping someone could help me? I created a breton born under atronoch. Is my resist magika 50pt Breton ability interfering with or cancelling out my absorb magika 50 pt ability from my birth sign?? also are these abilitys resist & absorb 50% of the damage all the time or resist & absorb 100% of the damage half of the time?? -- — Unsigned comment by 24.47.54.71 (talk)

Resist Magic and Spell Absorption work in very different ways. Spell Absorption means that 50% of the time, any hostile spell hitting you will be cancelled out and restore your Magicka instead. Resist Magic only kicks in if the spell is NOT absorbed, and reduces the damage by 50%. (Note that Resist Magic does NOT apply to elemental damage, such as Fire, Frost, and Shock, only to Magic-based effects like Absorb/Damage/Drain effects.) The Spell Absorption part of the Atronach birthsign is actually a GOOD thing, as that is the best way to replenish your Magicka. The bad part of the Atronach is the "Stunted Magicka" effect, which makes it so that your Magicka does not gradually regenerate on its own or when you rest. The Resist Magic does nothing to counter this effect, and there is unfortunately nothing else that does. You'll need to carry Restore Magicka potions, or find ways to get hit by spells a lot so that the Spell Absorption will keep your Magicka supply up. --TheRealLurlock Talk 10:00, 28 February 2007 (EST)
Actually, according to the Resist Magic page and the discussion/testing there, it does actually reduce the damage of all incoming spell damage, but doesn't protect against, say, a Fire Damage poison. But you are correct in that the resistance is only applied if the spell is not absorbed. So if it is absorbed you get the full magicka restoration you would normally get, even with 100% Resist Magic. -- Iueras

Magic bonus?[edit]

I was wondering if Bretons had a magic bonus like the Altmer have a 100 point bonus increase. Thanks. Jesus lover 15:02, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Yes. As it says on the article: "Fortify Magicka 50 points on Self, constant" –RpehTCE 16:00, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Celtic?[edit]

It is reasonable that they could be based on the Celts, yet they were an ancient people. Just look at the Breton race. They clearly have no ties to the Ancient World.

No ties to the ancient world? Of course they do! They're the descendents of inter-breeding between proto-Nords and Nedic peoples and the Aldmer from the First Era. If that isn't the Ancient World, I'd like your definition please. Now whether or not they can reasonably be tied to the Celts is another person's question to answer. Darkle 21:31, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

You are right, of course I simply meant that if the Bretons were based on the Celts, surely Bethesda would have made such a connection.

They have to be based on the Bretons... isn't that obvious? --Lord Walter Thibault 11:40, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
Just in case you didn't know, the Bretons are a Celtic people. The article you linked almost says as much, and there's a link to a page (Celtic Nations), that names Brittany as a Celtic nation. So, even if the Bretons are based on the Bretons, as seems likely, they're still Celtic. Darkle 17:50, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Yes, I see that now. I must have forgotten that Breton means someone from Brittany. My mistake. — Unsigned comment by 68.12.52.166 (talk) at 14:39 on October 5, 2008

Ultimate magic character?[edit]

I've been thinking about this one for some time know, and I think this is the right place to say it. If you equip a Breton with the Atronach Birth sign, will you become theoretically magically immune? I say this because you would have 50% spell absorbtion and 50% Magic resistance! I know that you don't have a 100% defense against it, and that weakness spells may affect this but would it work? Matt360 432 11:37, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Before we continue, remember to put new headers on the bottom of the page rather than on top. Second, a better way to fully become "protected" against magic with a Breton is simply to equip a Mundane Ring. This ring provides 50% Resist Magic. That on top of the Breton natural resistance mean complete (100%) Magic Resistance. This is a better way than yours; you can still regenerate magicka (you don't have stunted magicka anymore if you choose an other birthsign) and this can never fail, unlike spell absorbtion.--LordDagon 11:45, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

'Fire' staves[edit]

I think that it would be better not to include 'fire' before staves, since it only confuses people in thinking of the elemental damage magical effect and everywhere else staves are just 'staves'. So for general clarity I took it off. --SerCenKing 12:53, 16 February 2009 (EST)

small change[edit]

i changed "You humans are all the same! Weak and worthless!" (if target NPC is not an Orc) to "You humans are all the same! Weak and worthless!" (if target NPC is not a human)— Unsigned comment by 81.230.139.57 (talk) at 21:08 on 14 August 2009

That edit is reverted, because it's apparently incorrect. Can you provide reasons for why you think your version is correct? Is it because it says: You humans are all the same? But that does not necessarily have to mean the target NPC is not human, even though that's logical. Wolok gro-Barok->T->C->E 11:44, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Capitalization[edit]

I capitalized Alteration, Conjuration, Mysticism, and Restoration in the article because other skills like Destruction and Hand to Hand were capitalized. By the way they're under the Gameplay section. Someone let me know if that edit is okay. Bryanmichael11 23:41, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Yep, they're fine. –Elliot talk 23:42, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

NOT the in-game description[edit]

The description for Bretons is not the description that shows in the character creation. The humble Bretons boasting stuff is, but I think Passonate and Flamboyant... Ect wasnt in the game, at least not in my game on the xbox--Arch-Mage Matt 00:56, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Strange sounding high pitched "HEY" during combat.[edit]

My Male Breton occasionally makes a funny noise when struck while fighting. Usually he makes a pained sounding grunt when hit, but sometimes it comes out as a high pitched cry that sounds like "Hey!". Weird.79.234.140.26 05:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

That's just a standard battle noise for any race. --SerCenKing Talk 10:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

racial bonus traits missing[edit]

I've come across a problem with my breton character on ps3 where all of my race bonuses are just gone. My 50% resist magic, +50 magicka bonus, and I think even my dragon skin greater power are nowhere to be found. I currently have the curse of the consumed which to the best of my knowledge shouldn't make a difference and the page dedicated to this curse makes no mention of this effect or even a related glitch. A solution or even a reason to this problem would be greatly appreciated.Tybodger 08:59, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Moved note.[edit]

  • Most Bretons though associated with the French sound like they talk with a British accent.

Is it worth putting in the article ? JackTurbo95 14:33, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I'd say no, as it is more or less irrelevant to what the Breton race is about, this is just the voice acting. Razor 15:28, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. But if anyone else has anything to say , say it. That is why I moved it to here. JackTurbo95 16:18, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
  • "Bretons" is the name given to the Celtic ethnicity of Brittany, France.

Didn't think we put these on anymore. JackTurbo95 08:19, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Bretons[edit]

Are half elves I thought?

Half high elf and half human. They aren't simply a human race. — Unsigned comment by 99.120.7.243 (talk) on 31 August 2011

I think they're half Altmer and half Nord to be precise. Kitkat1749 TalkContribE-mail 06:36, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Well they aren't exactly half and half, more like they are a result of mingling between proto-Elevs (Aldmer) and proto-humans (Nedes) in very old times. In any case, they are considered a human race, probably because they are more similar to humans than to elves. --SerCenKing Talk 21:16, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Aren't they more like 2 parts human, one part high elf? I believe I read somewhere that the Aldmer (Or Altmer) interbred with the local nedes, then the resulting people interbred with the Nords... I might be mistaken 118.82.150.60 04:15, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
This is unimportant, but I'd just like to state that the Aldmer/Nede hybrid (Manmeri) breeding with Nords would make them 1:3 elf:human not 1:2, but you know, math and fractions, whether they'd be 1/4, 1/3, or 1/2 elf is unimportant really as they are generally just considered to be humans according to the Pocket Guide to the Empire, 3rd Edition/All the Eras of Man. "The ones [Nedes] who crossed west to High Rock, as we have said, interbred with the Aldmer there to create the Bretons, who are most commonly considered men, not mer." - Captain O'Brien Beard.

age[edit]

Does they have a long live like elv or like imperial-nordic or between them?(Vvardfell 10:38, 23 November 2011 (UTC))

Dialogue[edit]

Am I crazy or are most of the friendly and neutral greetings from Morrowind? I remember some of these lines in Morrowind but I can't seem to remember them in Oblivion voices. I think I thought the same thing on the Oblivion:Bosmer page when it says "from where do you hail?", So basically I'm confused which game these are supposed to be from. -- Hope 21:19, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

More combat?[edit]

I keep getting bandits call "me" a "breton cow" and taunting me with something like "you moo like the breton cow you are!" I've analyzed the corpses, and they were nord marauders. One might me imperial. Or not. — Unsigned comment by 69.14.116.104 (talk) at 20:36 on 30 September 2017

"Ha ha ha! You move like a pregnant cow!" http://cs.uesp.net/index.php?game=ob&formid=0x000242f2
Not Breton-related. -- SarthesArai Talk 21:44, 30 September 2017 (UTC)