Oblivion talk:Amulet of Kings

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Page Edits[edit]

I edited this page considerable. Please forgive me as there are many names I cannot remember (the dragon god for one...), and as such I left the stub attachment on the page. Please improve on what I wrote, as I know little of the Amulet's history, and this is one of the most important items in the main quest of Oblivion. --Joshua Boniface 00:18, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

I am currently working on the Lore:Amulet of Kings article (yet to be posted), and will transclude the data pertinent to such in Oblivion once it is complete (say, in a week or so). That much aside, you have done a nice job on the article. There is some data that is ambiguous (and some that is wrong), however, it is of little import, as the overall effect is superb. Good work!
Oh, also, the "dragon god" is Akatosh. -- Booyah boy 00:53, 29 August 2006 (EDT)
I added some history I remember reading somewhere. I'm new and still struggle with editing, but could someone add some more links if they feel like some are missing? -- Anonymous 17:06, 30 June 2007 (EDT) -- Anonymous 21 November 2007
Considering the fact that the Amulet must have been worn by an Heir of the first Queen through the centuries, it could be interesting if anyone had noticed any apperance of it in history. I especially wonder where it has been during the long the period between the end of the First Era and the beginning of the second one, When the Akaviri potentate ruled the empire — Unsigned comment by 82.245.65.206 (talk) at 19:55 on 26 November 2007

RefID & Wearing[edit]

The RefID for the Amulet of Kings is 000250A0. If you go into the console and type "player.additem 000250A0 1" and then "player.equipitem 000250A0 1" you are able to wear it. --24.2.195.160 15:57, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, it would be nice if the code was placed in the article, or in the upper right corner under the picture. The code is hard to find on this site and searching for 'amulet of kings' keeps coming up with either the book, this article or the lore article, none of which gives the code for the amulet. Bamspeedy 16:07, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
It may not be the most intuitive place, but you can find the ID for most things at ConsoleItemCodes. Robin HoodTalk 21:25, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Not a glitch[edit]

Anonymous user 212.238.240.215 posted this on the main page:

During the main quest: Dagon Shrine, Mankar Camoran can be seen wearing the amulet, which means he should be a Septim (which is most unlikely).

Quoting directly from Wikipedia:

"It is unknown how Mankar Camoran was able to wear the Amulet of Kings, since only those of Dragon blood can wear it. However, it is said in the Making of Oblivion Documentary, that Mankar Camoran is descended from another line of Princes, and is trying to claim Tamriel for them. This may provide insight as why he can wear the Amulet of Kings."

Using Amulet of Kings[edit]

Is there a possible way to wear, keep, and drop the Amulet of Kings? And is it a Daedric artifact? (This is for Xbox 360) Added by: Cloud strife

(question was moved here after originally being posted at UESPWiki:Reference Desk)
No, it is not supposed to be an item that the player uses. As for whether or not it's an artifact, we've chosen not to add it to the page Oblivion:Artifacts because it is not a useful item to the player. See the discussion at Oblivion_Talk:Artifacts#New Criteria, for example. Even ignoring its usefulness, it would not be categorized as a Daedric artifact, because it was not created by one of the Daedric Princes. If anything, it would be categorized as an Aedric artifact, because it was created by the Aedra Akatosh. --NepheleTalk 17:25, 31 December 2007 (EST)

Does all this therefore mean the Amulet doesn't have an ID number to enable you to drop it?


The reason Mancar may weild the Amulet of Kings is because he is in HIS paradise realm, which HE is in control of certain things, ie: being able to wear the Amulet of Kings.

He's also wearing it when you first see him in the lake arrius caverns, preaching to his followers. 79.65.93.125 21:43, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't make sense.[edit]

The whole plot surrounding the Amulet is swiss cheese, from a plot consistency perspective.

1. Alessia wasn't a Septim. She was the one who made the covenant with Akatosh.

2. The Remans weren't Septims. They possessed the Amulet for most of its existence, and apparently it worked just fine.

3. Tiber Septim found the amulet in Reman III's tomb at Sancre Tor. So what?

4a. No mention is made of the Dragonfires prior to the Oblivion quest arc, in any literature, ever.

4b. The Dragonfires would have failed during the Akaviri Interregnum as well, and no mention is made of that.

5. Martin is also not a Septim, as in fact most of the Septim rulers were descended from Tiber Septim's brother, Agnorith. Tiber Septim's bloodline died with Pelagius I, his immediate heir, who died childless. Every ruler from Kintyra merely took the name of Septim, to legitimize their claim to Tiber Septim's legacy. They are not his descendants, and therefore do not possess "the blood of Tiber Septim".

6. Uriel IV wasn't even descended from Agnorith: his mother was a Septim's queen, and his father was a commoner. He was only a Septim by legality, not blood. Yet there is no mention of the Amulet or the Dragonfires failing him.

Given these facts, why can't the Player Character wear the Amulet?

From a lore perspective, Oblivion's core story is Doubleplus Epic Fail. --70.131.55.20 14:40, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Wait, let me get this straight. You are rating an entire videogame's storyline as "Epic Fail", because of a few, extremely minor developer oversights that hardly anyone would ever notice, and even fewer would give a care? You have some unrealistically high standards. --Darth NANAME 18:17, 20 May 2008 (EDT)
Hi. I wrote the above. So let me get this straight. You think it's a "minor developer oversight" that the entire basis of the story for this video game is logically inconsistent, and cannot be true even standing by itself, much less by all the previous lore of the Elder Scrolls? You may not be aware that Oblivion is the 4th game of the series, and there is already a well-established backstory which predates it, and which the story told in Oblivion completely contradicts in every way. You're absolutely right. It's unrealistic for me to expect a game to make sense. You win. --76.202.248.34 08:37, 11 December 2008 (EST)
I agree with Darth NANAME, and this is why:
  • Alessia wasn't a Septim indeed, but the Septims are her heirs, according to the book about the Amulet.
  • The Septims are the only ones who can wear the Amulet Today. Nobody ever claimed that the amulet couldn't be worn by others in the past.
  • Why aren't the Dragonfires ever mentioned? Nobody knows their power, exept for the Emperor, as is hinted and told by Jauffre and Baurus during the Main Quest.
  • The Septims had septim blood only in formality? Tiber and Agnorith were brothers! Agnorith's last name was also 'septim'!
  • Martin not a Septim? Martin isn't descended from Uriel IV, but from Cephorus II, who had Septim blood, being a ligitimate child of Cassynder.
How is that for a 'Doubleplus Epic Fail'? -- LordDagon 11:29, 28 June 2008 (EDT)
In what way are the Septims "Alessia's heirs" ? "A book told me so" is not an answer. Hjalti Early-Beard (Tiber Septim's actual name and identity as a Nord) is in no way related to Alessia or the Remans, and the Remans are also in no way related to Alessia. Martin is also in no way related to Hjalti Early-Beard.
By what logic can you propose that the rules of the Amulet change with time? By whose whim? By what mechanism? The game does in fact strictly state that the Amulet can only be worn by someone with Septim blood, which excludes even those people in the game who end up wearing it: Martin and Mankar Camoran. You can hardly deny that the developers simply ignored everything they were telling the player while fashioning the main quest.
A brother of Tiber Septim is not of Tiber Septim's blood. Tiber Septim is the dynast, not his father. Agnorith's last name was not, in fact, Septim. Septim was a name assumed by Tiber, and was not his family name. RTFL before you comment.
Please explain to me why you think Cephorus II was a "ligitimate" child of Cassynder? Why would Cassynder disinherited him in favor of Uriel Lariat if that were the case? You're making up lore to explain faults of lore. Cephorous II actually has no known relation to Agnorith, and certainly no relation to Tiber Septim.
You also fail to account for the Akaviri Interregnum, which was all of the Second Era. You could at least have tried to make something up. Perhaps Versidue-Shaie was also an "heir of Alessia" ? He was from another continent, but that doesn't seem to matter to you.
So yeah, I'd say that's pretty good for a doubleplus epic fail. Thanks for contributing. Thanks for nothing. --76.202.248.34 08:37, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Well done. Oblivion's plot may well be doubleplus epic phail, but there are answers to all your questions, who can wear the AoK and who can't and why, as well as its true origin and purpose. As the KotN prophet says: "There is truth in the blood, but it is no the truth you seek." I can't explain it all very well here, but a search on the Bethsoft lore forum would answer. — Unsigned comment by Temple-Zero (talkcontribs) on 27 July 2008

I am the one who brought this to the attention of the Bethsoft lore forum. Last time I looked for responses there were none that were coherent. Quite simply, the only answer is "the game was rushed and the plot doesn't make sense as a result". It can't be retconned into being good unless one discards most of TES lore along with it. --76.202.248.34 08:37, 11 December 2008 (EST)
Hey, be nice. Also, I'm not sure if Mankar Cameron did wear it, or if he just held it. Plus, if you're in your own world of your own making, it is quite possible that you can do whatever you want. --Timmeh Talk 08:56, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Perhaps we should all take a moment to consider this: It's a game, the operative word here being GAME. It is supposed to be fun, not real life. If it were real life, it would involve going to work in a small, grey cube of an office, and wishing 5 PM would come sooner. The main concept of "fantasy role-playing" is escapism. Having the ability to immerse yourself in a completely different world, and getting to mash some monster with a hammer. That is how it should be played> Instead of thinking: "Mankar Camoran can't wear that because he's not a Spetim and neither was <insert name here> because apparently some other IMAGINARY character died before having kids" Try thinking this: "wow cool there's this wizard chap who is evil and I am going to have to kill him with my big axe." Auguil 19:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Timmeh: Indeed Mankar Camoran (Not Cameron) does wear the Amulet of Kings around his neck when you encounter him in the Dagon Shrine and any time thereafter. That's probably so you can't steal it from him, even if you knock him out. But you didn't need me to tell you that: there is a screenshot of him wearing it on his NPC page. Indeed, it is pretty goofy and inconsistent lore. But you can get overlook it if you don't read too many in-game books. --Nocturnal 00:39, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

In my opinion, I think that the dragon blood isn't something that is geneticaly passed down. The following are parts of the lore article on Tiber Septim. A general of Nordic descent, Emperor Tiber Septim is regarded as one of the most famed figures in Tamriellian history, reigning from 2E 854-3E 38. Starting from his service under the Cyrodiilic king Cuhlecain, General Talos fought to unify Cyrodiil and finally all of Tamriel, an effort that culminated in 2E 896, with the birth of the Third Empire. He is also responsible for declaring the onset of the Third Era in 2E 897.[1] He ruled for 38 years and is considered by most to be the best emperor throughout history. Tiber Septim gave his name to the lineage of Cyrodiil Emperors, the Septims. Born in Atmora under the name Talos, meaning Stormcrown in the old Ehlnofey. He spent his youth in Skyrim, there learning the ancient art of the Tongues as well as the strategies of war from the chieftains there. At the age of 20 he led the invasion of Old Hrol'dan, taking it back from the Witchmen of High Rock. Soon after this it became known from the arriving storms that the Greybeards were about to speak. As the nearby villages were being evacuated, Talos, instead, made his way to the mountains where the Greybeards lived. When he arrived, the gags of the Greybeards were removed and when they spoke his name the World shook. The Greybeards told Talos that he would come to rule Tamriel and that he must go south to do so.

Talos became General of the Colovian Estates under King, and later Emperor, Cuhlecain. General Talos met the combined army of Skyrim and High Rock on the field of Sancre Tor. The Skyrim army joined his when they saw him use the thu'um and knew him to be the son of Skyrim and heir to the Empires of Men. He was almost killed, along with Emperor Cuhlecain, in 2E 854 by a High Rock nightblade who slit his throat. Although he could no longer use the Voice, he went on to command Tamriel with a whisper. He took the Cyrodilic name Tiber Septim as well as a Nordic name, Ysmir, the Dragon of the North. Tiber Septim died in 3E 38.

re:using amulet of Kings[edit]

I can't remeber what level exactly,but if you recieve the spelldrinker amulet(mages guild) at the correct level,it will appear like the amulet of kings.

It is level 15+ and you recieve it when you reach Evoker rank.Go to the Spelldrinker Amulet page for more info. Enjoy --Prince of Madness 00:31, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

Arnora's Amulet, obtained during the quest Two Sides of the Coin, is a very close match. The "True" version is almost identical save the eight gems around the rim and brighter color. It can also be enchanted (and thus renamed). 76.27.253.80 01:26, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Reverted change...[edit]

Okay. Why my change has been reverted? - ZuTheSkunk 11:51, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm afraid the original version was much better. rpeh •TCE 13:18, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Magic[edit]

On the whole "why can some wear and others not" "Swiss cheese story" argument are we not loosing track of the fact we are talking about a video game based around magic? because we have no true understanding of how this law of physics works things like this cannot be concrete, their could be forces at work that we have not yet encountered and loop holes undiscovered. For example define "the blood of a septim" if it means DNA then technically that vanished years due to mathematical entropy ago as it would of vanished long long ago. What is written is not all that is there!

True. I, for one, don't need a huge explenation. Mankar's a powerful guy, he can do stuff. That's my explenation. :) --Arch-Mage Matt Did I Do That? 20:32, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
While I'm not going to get too involved in this, the original anon's arguments are far from bulletproof.
The first four arguments are all the same: nobody prior to Tiber Septim was a Septim. Well obviously I'm not going to disagree with that, but nothing in the lore precludes some new ritual being established. Nobody disputes Tiber's apotheosis, and it's not unreasonable to assume some kind of new condition coming into effect as a result of that. Grasping at straws? Possibly, but you can't deny that possibility.
Martin was a Septim... up to a point. Brothers and sisters share 50% of their chromosomes, so Agnorith was 50% Septim at least.... and possibly more if his and Tiber's parents shared other genes. I know this is a stretch, but hey. Deal with it.
Nobody is claiming that Uriel IV is a Septim (except himself, presumably). It's well established that Cephorus was "a cousin more closely related to the original Septim line", so it's entirely possible that the bloodline remains intact, albeit not through a firstborn line.
Now I'm not going to claim that there aren't huge holes in the Oblivion plot, but I will say that they aren't as large as some people make them out to be. rpeh •TCE 22:27, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Mankar Camoran was powerful, and very wise. I believe he found a way to wear the amulet using his mind and magic. We can also say that he can wear the amulet because he exists prior the amulet. --Rigas Papadopoulos 15:12, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

IS THIS POSSIBLE?[edit]

OK, so is it possible to acquire an unscripted version from the Shivering Isles? The one quest where a complete duplicate of you is created, would it hold a wearable amulet? Themasterofpuppets 19:06, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes. --Rigas Papadopoulos 15:08, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
But you cant loot your clones inventory so it would have it but you couldnt get it. Critias 04:10, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Not dupeable[edit]

I attempted this myself and the amulet of kings cannot be duped even using the skull of corruption on Martin the amulet doesn't even show up on the clone when he is wearing it! Doesn't make sense but whatever. — Unsigned comment by 68.117.113.18 (talk) at 02:41 on 11 September 2010

Using the 'Duplicate self glitch' and searching your clone will also reveal that it isnt Dupeable — Unsigned comment by Gorilladin (talkcontribs) at 21:54 on 30 September 2010

A possible side-effect[edit]

If you have the amulet, you can also use: player.createfullactorcopy, then click on your clone and type: kill (or kill it normally) to obtain an equippable version of the amulet.

Since it would be killing yourself, wouldn't it get you kicked out of all the guilds you are in because you killed a person in that guild?--Iamgoofball 23:11, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

The Kill command, when used without a second reference assigns no blame. But other means of death will apply as to a normal guild member. --DKong27 Talk Cont 23:55, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Amulet with a different ID?[edit]

For shits and giggles I decided to have some fun with the console regarding the amulet. I moved myself to the position of Uriel Septim (along with enabling and resurrecting him) and used the createfullactorcopy command on him. I used the kill command on the copy (since you actually can't loot the original), and took the amulet. The amulet I obtained through this method has a value of 1000 and a weight of 0. It is also marked as a quest item. I have tried to use the console to get rid of it, but it doesn't seem to be associated with the ID of 250A0. Is there a second Amulet with a different ID? Schiffy (talk) 04:45, 27 September 2012 (GMT)

Are you viewing the ID of the item in the console? It's most likely the RefID. The BaseID is the Construction Set's ID number for the item, and is the main number of it, but each individual instance of the item has a unique RefID, which is why you can have two identical iron swords with unique IDs in the console. That's just so the game can distinguish between different copies of the same items I guess. Eric Snowmane(talkemail) 05:24, 27 September 2012 (GMT)
Last I checked, the BaseID for the Amulet is 250A0. However, using this ID does not seem to allow me to remove the Amulet from my inventory (using removeitem). I have also noticed that this version I obtained is unscripted, so I can equip it without the usual "slipped off your neck" message popping up. The only things I can't do with it are drop it, enchant it, or sell it. I've also tried using the setquestobject command, but again, it doesn't seem to work for the Amulet I'm carrying. Schiffy (talk) 16:58, 27 September 2012 (GMT)
I just double-checked, and the amulet that Uriel wears is indeed the 250A0 one. The loss of scripting on the duplicated object is normal and is documented in the Console article. I'm not sure how you managed to get an amulet off Uriel, since he gives you the amulet before he dies, but creating a copy of yourself and getting the amulet that way exhibits the same behaviour, so it's a moot point. If you save and reload, you'll notice that the strange-acting amulet is gone. My best guess is that it's something to do with how createfullactorcopy works. It could well be creating a fake version of the item with a whole new BaseID. I can't think of any easy way to prove what's happening one way or the other, though. Robin Hoodtalk 21:19, 27 September 2012 (GMT)
My guess is as good as yours, but I would probably say you're right about this fake having a new BaseID. It's not overly bothersome since it's 0 weight, it's more just a matter of curiosity. I can't even seem to find any trace of this new one in the Construction set, though. All references to the Amulet in the CS say 250A0. Schiffy (talk) 04:51, 28 September 2012 (GMT)

Look at yourself in third-person, open the console, click on yourself, do createfullactorcopy, kill your clone, take the amulet, wear it.

Little note[edit]

Just to say all this about certain people not being able to wear the amulet,to wear you must a Dragonborn(born blessed by the divines)which uriel and martin are and why your character in oblivion cannot wear BUT if it was still intact the skyrim protagonist could wear it. — Unsigned comment by 86.136.170.137 (talk) at 01:04 on 21 November 2012

Keep and wear the Amulet of Kings[edit]

Hi! If you want to know how to keep and wear the Amulet of Kings read this. To keep the Amulet of Kings you have to go to Mankar Camoran's paradise. (You need to have the Skull of Corruption) When you meet Mankar Camoran face-to-face use the staff to make a corrupted clone to him. Kill the clone, and save before clone's body disappears, then load the game you just saved. Then guickly loot his body. You can take the amulet from the clone's body. You can wear it. Then kill the real Mankar Camoran. That's it! — Unsigned comment by 84.248.158.138 (talk) at 01:13 on 2 January 2013‎

Look, I know this is old, but just so anyone else knows: The Amulet of Kings can't be duplicated by the Skull of Corruption. Making a Corrupted Clone of Mankar Camoran won't create another Amulet of Kings. Bauglir100 (talk) 06:17, 26 December 2014 (GMT)