Lore talk:Skooma

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Headline text[edit]

SKOOMA in all its beauty why the heck is it in oblivion?

Location List[edit]

Should there be a list of all the locations where you can find Skooma?64.131.15.50 19:41, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

I'm fairly ambivalent about the idea but I would just say that if you wanted to make one, it would need to be game specific and not part of the Tamriel pages. There used to be a page at Oblivion:Skooma but it got binned due to lack of information. Transcluding the Tamriel page and adding a list of locations might make it worth bringing back. --RpehTalk 03:33, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

I am going to add this myself, for Morrowind at least, as Oblivion is rather obvious when concerned with Skooma. (¬¬¬¬)

Vandalism[edit]

This article has recently be vandalised by an un-registered user. The entire locations list was deleted for no apparent reason. Changes have been reverted. (HMSVictory 11:05, 6 November 2007 (EST))

The locations were deleted by Nephele and not by an unregistered user. She is an administrator here and not a vandal! Please check the history of the page. --Mankar CamoranTCE 11:31, 6 November 2007 (EST)
Also, the information was not deleted but was actually moved to Morrowind:Skooma; apologies for my poor edit summary in the page history. Game-specific information belongs on pages in the game's namespace, not on a Tamriel article. The Tamriel articles are supposed to provide general information and lore that is common to all Elder Scrolls games. Therefore I created a new article on Skooma in the Morrowind namespace, moved all the Morrowind-specific information to that new page, and changed all Skooma links in the Morrowind namespace to point to the new page instead of the Tamriel article.
Also, you may want to read over articles such UESPWiki:Vandalism and UESPWiki:Assume Good Faith. Accusing another editor of vandalism is a pretty serious charge, and should only be done if the editor was unambiguously acting without good faith. If you ever notice an edit that you don't understand, the best thing to do is ask for a more detailed explanation on the article's talk page. UESPWiki:Consensus and Help:Editing Pages also provide additional relevant information. --NepheleTalk 11:47, 6 November 2007 (EST)
I am extremely sorry! I will avoid reverting any changes that I believe are cases of vandalism I see in the future. I will always be wrong, trust me. (HMSVictory 15:02, 6 November 2007 (EST))
Well don't ignore vandalism completely, just know what it is and when to strike, Remember the good faith assumption we have here on wiki and if you see someone intentionally trying to just make a page worse then call vandalism and revert the changes. --Western3589 15:05, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Skooma pipes[edit]

"Can be smoked using skooma pipes"? WTPF? How in the name of Azura do you smoke a liquid? That just doesn't make sense to me. Darth Cronus 09:36, 1 December 2007 (EST)

Umm im not sure but i think you know the term "vaporization".

Lets think about the real world, can you smoke opium as well as making poppy tea? Yes. There are many drugs that can be smoked as well as orally ingested. -Teozlcoatl

Found in random places?[edit]

I found like 4 bottles in the Serpents Wake. Did anyone else find some in serpents wake? Theyh were really small so i was lucky to have even spotted em--║Æ║ 23:08, 11 February 2008 (EST)

They're not random - fixed only. I don't think there are 4 either. There's definitely one in the mid-deck but that's the only one. –RpehTCE 02:08, 12 February 2008 (EST)

Skooma smuggleing ring[edit]

Is there a page on on cheydinhal skooma smuggleing ring? (If not would it be worth me making one?) — Unsigned comment by Bartimeaus77 (talkcontribs)

They have a brief entry on the factions page (here) and the pages for the NPCs in the gang mention it occasionally. There's also a brief note on the Kingscrest Cavern page. I don't think it's really worth more than that to be honest. –RpehTCE 05:29, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

Addicts[edit]

Possibly this article should contain a list of known addicts. In Shivering Isles, there is a woman in Crucible whom you can basically act as a hookup for to get her skooma. She's all strung out. i can't remember her name. anyhoo, it seemed worth mentioning.

And in spilt the J'zidzos have 8 each.

Video link[edit]

The video link Wasted on Skooma points to a video which has had its audio track removed: "NOTICE This video contains an audio track that has not been authorized by WMG. The audio has been disabled." I didn't want to remove the link to the video without ascertaining whether or not the audio track was an essential component for the purposes of this article. Deadlykris 18:08, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

I've deleted the link. It's not relevant to a Lore article. –RpehTCE 06:27, 3 May 2009 (EDT)

we need an entire article about drugs and psychoactives in TES[edit]

id like to start an article about all the drugs in the elder scrolls world

from hist sap, to the different types of alcohol, moon sugar, etc.

How do I start a new page? could somebody start it under "lore" and ill add to it?

i'd also talk about how real world plants are in TES such as Amantia muscaria

I am a botanist/ethnobotanist.

how do i start a new page?

Somebody start one or tell me how to start one in "Lore" on Psychoactives/drugs

I'd like for drugs to redirect to Lore:psychoactives if possible.

I really like your idea, especially the one about the IRL plants that are in-game. Here try this Lore:Tamrielic_Psychoactive_Narcotics. I hope this redirects to a page that doesnt exist and youll be offered to create it. Keep in mind though that some of the admins might not approve of it and your page could be deleted. If I were you Id talk to an admin first and see what advice theyd give you--J'ZhirrthePriest 20:39, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Put a request here New Page Requests. The Silencer 20:44, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
I think that a new section in the Community Portal would be better to begin with, to see if the community is alright with it, since it alters the distribution of information. A better name would probably be Lore:Drugs or Lore:Psychoactive Drugs. --Velyanthe 21:57, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Skooma Ingredients[edit]

I just need to know what ingredients I need to make my own self-made skooma — Unsigned comment by 4.158.198.217 (talk) on 10 August 2010

You can't make it in-game. rpeh •TCE 10:42, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Though if you are interested in the ingredients involved (from an academic standpoint), This book contains a detailed guide to the process. Just keep in mind that it is a third party book.
TheEnigmaticMan 12:28, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup[edit]

Did some rewriting and such. In Lore pages typically references to the game are left out. But it seems like this information should go SOMEWHERE: "In-game, Skooma behaves like any potion. See the potion tables under beverages for the magical effects it provides, for Morrowind and Oblivion, respectively. Several game modifications for both Morrowind and Oblivion implement an in-game addiction and/or inebriation system involving raising and lowering of the player's attributes." Axxchor 02:24, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Like I said earlier on Numidium's talk page all game references go in a Notes section. However, the other info should go in the gamespace (if it isn't already there, that is).--Kalis AgeaYes? Contrib E-mail 03:09, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Excellent. I'll look into these improvements. Ty for the help. Axxchor 03:47, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
yes i was thinking about turning the links part into a see also and moving the ingame refs to it but ive spent all day in bed because im sick, im up now so i did it (From Fear to Eternity- Eddie The Head 09:19, 9 September 2011 (UTC))
I see what you did there. Looks nice! Axxchor 19:21, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Contradictory information.[edit]

"Skooma is an illegal narcotic substance which is manufactured from refined moon sugar. Skooma is an extremely addictive and hazardous stimulant and has been banned from some parts of Tamriel by order of the Empire." Is it a narcotic or a stimulant? — Unsigned comment by 69.251.62.95 (talk) at 14:52 on February 14, 2012

Based on in-game effects it would be a stimulant, but I'm not sure if any lore specifically states what it is. --Velyanthe 20:59, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
It's highly addictive, though I don't know if the term "narcotic" is ever used. Even if it is, are narcotic and stimulant mutually exclusive concepts? Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 04:43, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Narcotics are meant to make you tired while stimulants do the opposite. Morphine is a narcotic while caffeine is a stimulant. --Velyanthe 21:57, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Skooma and Soma[edit]

In a Vedic Myth, the god Indra uses an intoxicating substance named soma to gain the strength which allows him to kill a dragon. Could there be a relation between Skooma and soma? Vinyadan — Unsigned comment by 78.35.224.16 (talk) at 12:36 on 22 April 2012

I don't know about that one - but as noted here, "Skooma" also translates as "dark, shady or immoral" in Italian, which seems to fit a little better. Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 12:45, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Some new info. In the earliest translations, Soma was translated as juice of the Moon-plant. This is interesting. Do we know if moon sugar comes from a tree? Vinyadan. — Unsigned comment by 87.78.5.143 (talk) at 21:06 on 12 June 2013
I find it unlikely Vinyaden. Especially considering the differences between the two. Skooma is just a narcotic. Soma or more literally Sauma is a drink that brought Agni and Indra immortality, which is a little redundant but it's a veda not an Edda, so a little redundancy is typical. Never heard anything about a dragon or it translating to "juice of the moon plant".
The word is derived from an Indo-Iranian root *sav- (Sanskrit sav-/su) "to press", i.e. *sau-ma- is the drink prepared by pressing the stalks of a plant. K.F.Geldner, Der Rig-Veda. Cambridge MA, Vol. III: 1-9
If there were some connection to Vishnu maybe... he could be an ashborn. Ebonarm (talk) 03:55, 3 May 2014 (GMT)

Dunmer or Khajit?[edit]

I added the phase "originally created by the Dunmer" to the article, Skooma's name itself translates to dark, gloomy etc. In Italian like the person above mentioned, and I'm thinking this was something to do with the Dinner creating it but... I can't for the life of me remember where I've heard of Skooma being created by the Dunmer. I think it may have been a female NPC in Oblivion but I'm not sure, can anyone help me find a reference? — Unsigned comment by Ebonarm (talkcontribs) at 03:45 on 3 May 2014

It was Wujeeta, a female Argonian in Skyrim who said it. Wujeeta mentions it when first asking you for a healing potion to cure her addiction. -- Emma
Emma of Falkreath (talk) 18:47, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Merge with Moon-Sugar Article[edit]

Is it necessary to have a separate article for skooma? I think you could sum everything up in a single sub-section of the moon sugar article. This would avoid restatement of information and make things easier to understand. — Unsigned comment by Dinmenel (talkcontribs) at 02:49 on 14 April 2015

I would say no. They should be separate articles. Jeancey (talk) 03:35, 14 April 2015 (GMT)
Why? -Dinmenel (talk) 04:04, 14 April 2015 (GMT)
I agree with keeping them separate. Skooma might come from moon sugar, but it's a completely different substance with a different history. Both topics are substantive enough to have their own articles. Also, if I'm remembering my Infernal City correctly, skooma isn't the only drug derived from the plant - Argonian daril also comes from it. —Legoless (talk) 09:25, 14 April 2015 (GMT)
The thing is, looking at the sources, skooma isn't a particularly substantive topic on its own. Most of the lore comes from the moon sugar sources, with skooma as a sidenote. -Dinmenel (talk) 15:27, 14 April 2015 (GMT)
This page hasn't got significant attention since 2011; there's likely some relevant info missing. While there's bound to be a significant degree of overlap between skooma and moon sugar, this is common when subjects are so closely linked. They're still distinct concepts. There's bound to be some information about skooma which is not really relevant to moon sugar, and vice versa.
Anyway, this page doesn't really fit into our lore categories, this is certain. I've advocated against pages which don't fit into the categories precisely because it's important to avoid unnecessary proliferation of pages with overlapping coverage. But I didn't feel that this page is unnecessary, as skooma is a unique TES concept. This is what sets it apart from slavery or smuggling. The Drugs appendix was literally made just so that this page would not be an orphan. Insignificant RevisionsThreatsEvidence 22:54, 14 April 2015 (GMT)
This is how I'd rework this article:
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If that's sufficient to merit its own page, cool, I'll just put it here. - Dinmenel (talk) 19:17, 16 April 2015 (GMT)
I've removed the proposed changes to get rid of reference tags on the talk page now that the new version is up. —Legoless (talk) 22:12, 20 April 2015 (GMT)

Permanent Effects[edit]

"Sustained use of the drug seemingly results in permanent confusion and mental deterioration." I'm not sure what this is supposed to be sourced to. Is it Faelian? That's the only thing I can find that comes close to supporting it. Even so, there isn't any dialogue stating or implying that skooma has caused him permanent mental damage. He could just be high when you talk to him. — Dinmenel (talk) 20:38, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

That is indeed the most substantial source, and I feel that there is more than enough implication to treat his mental deterioration as a longterm effect. I find it hard to believe that his constant state of confusion is due to him being under the influence 24/7, and the way other NPCs talk about him also implies that his addiction has had a significant effect on his wellbeing ("All he thinks about, all he cares about, is skooma! He was a fine young man once. But he's lost everything. His looks, his money... his self-respect." "What I know for certain is that Faelian is very close to death, but I must not kill him in the hotel if I wish to get my bonus."). The mental state of the Skooma Den residents and Caldana Monrius (who clearly isn't high) should also help illustrate the longterm effects of skooma addiction. —Legoless (talk) 21:01, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
That is original research - it may be a fair conclusion to make, but there is no evidence that the belief exists in Tamriel. Dinmenel (talk) 16:29, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Is there any way we can phrase it more conservatively while keeping the general idea? I'm not opposed to bringing these sources to readers' attention, but such a strong statement just is not according to the guidelines as I understand them. Perhaps something like, "Sustained use of the drug can have long-term mental and physical consequences." — Dinmenel (talk) 20:44, 25 September 2015 (UTC)